Can somebody please explain the "realism' in

[chenz]

I experienced the exact same thing with the poster, and I guarantee that it is not because my stamina. (I checked via check game plan menu).

It happened on my 2nd year (of 4 years contract) season with Sevilla. Fortunately I then got offer from Barca (!), and after couple of game I managed to ditch Gourcuff from the starting lineup, replaced by me

 

[Montanaro]

Because Pes sucks?

No, really. Konami are like "hey, we have to put substitutions in BAL" "okay, every game, the player will be subbed at 70 minutes, this way we don't have to do any work and don't have to come up with any sort of clever system for simply subbing the player".

Seriously, I haven't touched BAL this year, and have laughed at ML. The only thing that keeps me playing is MLO and TRAINING. Yeah I've spent more time playing on the training ground than I have playing ML or BAL.................

 

[OptimusPrime]

Says the man with the gayest/geekiest forum avatar I've ever seen... I mean wrestling seriously mate if your into american wrestling you dont have the right to insult other peoples taste.

Honestly mate you really need to have a word with yourself. This is a forum for people to comment on PES (both negative and positive)

So why when someone doesn't like something, or points out an obvious bug do you see the need to get all pissy with them and act like they should thank Seabass for even allowing them to buy his game regardless how broken, buggy it is, despite living up to barely half the hype that was pushed by Konami.

You might enjoy bending over and being shafted by game developers but most people dont, most people if they think somethings shit complain and do something about it, they dont just go... 'Its a game deal with it' which seems to sum up your responses 90% of the time.

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Nevermind him...I don't pay him any attention....this dude has his tongue so far up Seabass's a**, he can taste what he ate last year.. :w00t

 

[OptimusPrime]

Konami's way to make the game more "challenging":

- Fuck up shooting to a point that the player takes 5 steps b4 he can shoot and the AI has time to defend (till 2009 it was fine)
- Sometimes you tap the shoot button and the ball goes over the goal, next time you shoot from a further distance..same tapping more or less..and STILL the ball goes OVER..so no way of a realistic timing regarding shooting distance ratio (going on for years now )
- Passing takes a bit used to and might add some dimension IF the players didn't STOP when they started their run and you just pass into space ( going on for years now )
- The AI defend can OVERPOWER you and you dont have any ability to counter ( since 2010 gotten worse this year )
- Your defender don't know the basics of defending and simply just RUN besides the AI attacking or simply stand there, taking into account your defenders are Terry & Ashley Cole.(going on for years now )

- Referee's ....enough said(going on for years now gotten MUCH worse)

- 60 - 70 minutes subbs..(going on for years now and getting annoying now )


and so on......

If that's the way to make it more challenging for me as a consumer than Seabass is full of it...

 

[JMTD]

Sorry, but without a doubt disagree. I hate seeing people moan about the shooting simply because they still haven't come to grips with it or understood the system. ou can tell me I'm wrong and all, but I'm not, because you're here moaning about the system, which proves you're missing something within it.

Body balance is a key. Pace is a key. Position is a key. All of these factor in shooting, just like they do in real life. You need to control it rather than letting it control you. Calm and precise is a key, rather than panicing and not attempting to be smart and think for a second. I've seen enough people moan about the shooting system, yet I've seen the same amount understand the value of it and how to slowly master it. Some people just haven't bothered to try to come to grips with how the shooting and even passing system works and thus that's why you're largely failing at it on regular occasions. Tell me I'm wrong, despite the fact that I'm not. Not hating in you or saying you're a bad player or anything, I'm just saying this is the reason why you're having these problems.

And PLEASE can we stop with the pathetic Seabass insults. We get it, some of you hate him and have weird fantasies in your head of people licking his ass or some pathetic nonsense, no need to keep going on about it.

 

[OptimusPrime]

Body balance is a key. Pace is a key. Position is a key. All of these factor in shooting, just like they do in real life. You need to control it rather than letting it control you. Calm and precise is a key, rather than panicing and not attempting to be smart and think for a second. I've seen enough people moan about the shooting system, yet I've seen the same amount understand the value of it and how to slowly master it. Some people just haven't bothered to try to come to grips with how the shooting and even passing system works and thus that's why you're largely failing at it on regular occasions. Tell me I'm wrong, despite the fact that I'm not. Not hating in you or saying you're a bad player or anything, I'm just saying this is the reason why you're having these problems.

Although your not saying directly that me and lots of people are bad players ( or lack skill )your kinda implying we are..

Funny thing is that people who try to defend this mockery of an end result konami delivered always come up with "real life" situation..BUT fail to recognize other aspects of the game that NEVER occur in real life..Nonewhatsoever...so basically the game is partially based on realism and for the other part based on what...?:erm:

You can't be serious in telling me that when i stand 20 yards from the goal and when I stand 25 yards and tapping the shooting button with the same power ..the ball still goes OVER the goal...c'mon ..been playing this game since ISS..
( I won't even mention standing nearly under the bar and the ball still goes over....realism?..and plz don't come with a situation in real life that happend 1 out of 1000000 times )

And PLEASE can we stop with the pathetic Seabass insults. We get it, some of you hate him and have weird fantasies in your head of people licking his ass or some pathetic nonsense, no need to keep going on about it.

First of all I NEVER said i hated the guy..I DO think he doesn't have any respect for a fanbase that have been loyal to him for the past few years..

Telling blatant lies in due years about overhauling the AI and blah blah ..and we've come to find out that not only the AI hasn't been overhauled ( may'be if u consider the fact that the referee now gives penalties an overhaul ) but it has gotten worse....that's not the way to treat us loyal fans..

Secondly referring to my comment about Seabass's a**...read the whole thread and may'be you'd understand...

I respect everybodies opinion even the "so called fanboys"...but I hate it when ppl like me who feel the way I feel about the game and express that ( which I have the right to voice MY opinion ) ...some fanboy comes cussing out of the gate, like I just said something wrong about his mom...:no:

 

[JMTD]

How exactly am I a fanboy? Because I state my opinions and defend a game that I personally enjoy and to be quite frank really like? The hell? There's no logic what so ever. If I thought the game was shit, why would I play it? I wouldn't pick up a game and think 'wtf is this shit' and continue to moan and play it, I'd be gone from it after giving it a try. I defend the game because I disagree with the majority of what you and a few others are saying. That doesn't make me a fanboy. Don't see me coming in here calling you a tit because you're moaning and insulting the game do you?

Every football game I know of have had something within it that doesn't usually happen in real football, doesn't make it shit. This game has some flaws, it'd be stupid to claim it doesn't, but for me the positives by far outweigh the negatives. Can this be improved? Without a doubt, every game can be improved upon, barring the odd classic or two. I still find it ridiculous as to how shocking the rating system after games are in Pro and it's been like that forever, where you almost need to score six goals to get a rating of 9, just a little niggling thing for me. This game has some down points, it has some moments of madness with defenders doing stupid things, but overall none of these things ruin the game for me, a game that is still Pro all the way through, a game of hard work, a game of realism, a game that feels like I'm having a proper match just like Pro has always felt.

I hate it when people say 'I've been playing games since forever' or 'I've been a fan since ISS' as if to indicate that makes your opinion or knowledge better than others. Somebody could be a new person to the franchise and still have as much of an understanding as somebody that's been within the franchise for over a decade. You just don't seem to be getting the point I'm making about the shooting system and it's almost like you don't want to.

I don't see the point in explaining things or going any further, because you're never going to agree or even attempt to try to understand certain things. We're all different and that's the joy of the world, different opinions. Doesn't make me right and it doesn't make me wrong. May as well just agree on that and leave it at that.

 

[Ultimate777]

Says the man with the gayest/geekiest forum avatar I've ever seen... I mean wrestling seriously mate if your into american wrestling you dont have the right to insult other peoples taste.

Honestly mate you really need to have a word with yourself. This is a forum for people to comment on PES (both negative and positive)

So why when someone doesn't like something, or points out an obvious bug do you see the need to get all pissy with them and act like they should thank Seabass for even allowing them to buy his game regardless how broken, buggy it is, despite living up to barely half the hype that was pushed by Konami.

You might enjoy bending over and being shafted by game developers but most people dont, most people if they think somethings shit complain and do something about it, they dont just go... 'Its a game deal with it' which seems to sum up your responses 90% of the time.

Who the fuck are you?

Do you know who scott steiner is? One of the greatest technical wrestlers and entertainers of his generation maybe of all time. A real individual rather than a cartoon transformers character for your make believe mind. You say and scoff off at American wrestling like you know what it takes to fucking wrestle in the ring.

Wrestling is a man's sport, where only the strongest and toughest survive to reach the top. Where skinny and skank shelted lowlife fucks like yourself wouldnt be able to handle two seconds in the ring with a professional wrestler before you start crying to your mommy realising how hard the ropes and mat is every time your puny ass is slammed down to the canvas. Your just one of those pricks who thinks its all fake and no one gets hurts because of its scripted storyline yet have no respect for the true athletes that put their body on the line every week.

You, some fucking videogame nut who gets emotional and wants to rally everyone in to follow in on your opinion that pes11 is unplayable wants to knock wrestling and one of the toughest sports and wrestlers as gay just shows how much irony there is in the world

You and these other shit for brains losers who love whingeing for hours on end thinking up homosexual analogies and fantasies need to find something more productive to do with your time instead of behaving like little bitches on your keyboard writing essays complaining about irrelevant shit asking for reasons why you were substituted on some two bit gimmick bal mode that was concocted up for morons

If you cant stand the game, dont fucking play it. Why keep playing and buying something that you think is crap? You fucks put so much time and energy moaning about this game yet still play it. Thats something only someone who has either lost his mind or has no life keeps on doing.

Say people complain and do something about it, but what the hell have you done sunshine? Have you written to konami to make known of your disapproval? Have you gone into game developing to make a better game that can compete with pes or fifa? No you havnt just come on here and bitched like a girl how the ai cheat and how the game isn;t perfect and how the players don't fart and cant see their breath when they're running

You know a lot of things annoy me with konami and pes and think they can do more to improve a lot of areas in the game. However I'm not a drama queen attention seeking little bitch that needs to create a thread every time I notice sometihng I don't like in the game. Because I realise most things aren't perfect in life. if I can get enjoyment out of it, then I'll still give it the time of day and live with the flaws. Once it stops becomign enjoyable then i give up on the game. I' dont start joining up forums starting threads to announce I no longer play the game for this or that reason to garner attention to try and ruin others enjoyment of the game and rally up some followers to join me in my conquest to abandon the game because I didn't like it.

Grow the fuck up and stop acting like some fucking priest of the game

 

[Ultimate777]

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Nevermind him...I don't pay him any attention....this dude has his tongue so far up Seabass's a**, he can taste what he ate last year.. :w00t

So if you enjoy the game, then you must be up seabasss arse? FWIW last pes2010 I hated the game, traded it in because it was an insult to my intelligence and was a game made for people to abuse. No you didn't see acting like a little bitch creating thread after attention seeking thread denoucing the game and saying how much I hated it and why I was trading it in.

What's even more stupid is you accuse me of being up seabass's arse yet you still bought the game giving seabass his money and what do you know, you're still playing it like his little bitch.

This year there has been improvement, sure there are bugs like the refs, cursor switching, master league match times and money value of players being incorrect. That annoys me, but not to the point where I need to write essays and hate rants towards konami and seabass. Because lets me be real, your dole cheating ass and the rest of these fucks who register on here arn't going to start making a video game thats as good as what's available to todays standard to compete with fifa or pes. Neither are you or any of these other dumb psuedo pretentious wannabe game critics going to fix the problems in the game by starting these inane threads and talking about seabass doing gay acts you dreamt up while you were staring at boys trying your best to hold back those homosexual urgues you've been suppressing since you came out of your mothers womb before she had to do time for bringing you into this world.

 

[Montanaro]

lol lol lol the irony is as thick as san francisco fog.

 

[u1tradt]

I still find it ridiculous as to how shocking the rating system after games are in Pro and it's been like that forever, where you almost need to score six goals to get a rating of 9, just a little niggling thing for me.

Actually for some reason on Pro the player ratings are always from 5.0 to 8.0. I think this system is stupid in the first place but then what's even more stupid is the way in which it's calculated. The game seems to judge a player based on how much of the ball he touches and how how accurate his passes and shots are overall, but there are so many variables involved with these that it can easily be cheated.

Once when I was playing, my winger was running down the flank and I stopped to turn back and whip a cross in but then I realised that the defender wasn't even trying to dispossess me, he was just trying to block my cross while standing a good 3-4 yards away from me. So I just ran forward and back outside the penalty box about 20 times to see whether the guy would even make a challenge, would you believe it the guy never once attempted to come even a centimetre closer to me. At the end of the game that player got a rating of 8.0 even though he didn't set up or score any goals, it was just because of all that cheap dribbling I did.

Anyway, good on you to leave that argument alone. The problem with debating with someone like him is you both have totally different motives in the argument. You're trying to keep it as civilised as possible while he can't take someone disagreeing with his opinion so has to resort to cheap insults, all because he just wants to be right without giving a damn about facts or plain logic for that matter.

What's even more stupid is you accuse me of being up seabass's arse yet you still bought the game giving seabass his money and what do you know, you're still playing it like his little bitch.

This is quality right here.

I say let these haters keep talking trash to no end about the game because it's clear they have nothing better to do with their lives but flex some internet-ego on some forums to try and add some meaning to their lives.

When all's said and done, they've already paid their money for a copy of the game and Konami will not be returning it to them based on their silly misconceptions on the game. They can trade it in but the money for the game won't be coming out of Konami's pockets so you've achieved nothing with your whining, people.

 

[LOL-ness]

hmm... I didn't find shooting to be particularly bad, although I've had cases where (in ML) I am under pressure to find a goal in situations where I am either 1 goal down or draw, and my shots just goes all over the place whenever I get into the box. While this is frustrating (and I yell at my monitor a lot for that), it does reflect on team mentality in real games, and is actually quite enjoyable in retrospect. It's kind of like a feeling when after winning a game, you sit back and think about it, it's like "Gez, did I just shout like a mad monkey for a virtual football match?".

 

[OptimusPrime]

How exactly am I a fanboy? Because I state my opinions and defend a game that I personally enjoy and to be quite frank really like? The hell? There's no logic what so ever. If I thought the game was shit, why would I play it? I wouldn't pick up a game and think 'wtf is this shit' and continue to moan and play it, I'd be gone from it after giving it a try. I defend the game because I disagree with the majority of what you and a few others are saying. That doesn't make me a fanboy. Don't see me coming in here calling you a tit because you're moaning and insulting the game do you?

Dude with fanboys I meant the arse that's stalking me right now and is more busy with me than I am with him....but if the shoe fits....

Like I said I respect everbodies opinion even if I think it's full of it

Reading is fundemental...I said that if you buy a game based of the sweet talk given to you by the LEAD DEVELOPER and it turns out to be false, ..that BS.

Plus when I bought the game and the ones before..it had some issue's but you still were able to adept a bit and work around it..I'm not the one to return the game after 2 matches..that's bs..but this one right here...even if you tried to adept to the newly implemented "realism", there's too much shit going on...and I don't know a shop that will take a game back after nearly a month of purchase...

Every football game I know of have had something within it that doesn't usually happen in real football, doesn't make it shit. This game has some flaws, it'd be stupid to claim it doesn't, but for me the positives by far outweigh the negatives. Can this be improved? Without a doubt, every game can be improved upon, barring the odd classic or two. I still find it ridiculous as to how shocking the rating system after games are in Pro and it's been like that forever, where you almost need to score six goals to get a rating of 9, just a little niggling thing for me. This game has some down points, it has some moments of madness with defenders doing stupid things, but overall none of these things ruin the game for me, a game that is still Pro all the way through, a game of hard work, a game of realism, a game that feels like I'm having a proper match just like Pro has always felt.

You might had a case until that part in bold...But hey if that's realism to you than maybe me and countless others are losing touch with reality

I hate it when people say 'I've been playing games since forever' or 'I've been a fan since ISS' as if to indicate that makes your opinion or knowledge better than others. Somebody could be a new person to the franchise and still have as much of an understanding as somebody that's been within the franchise for over a decade. You just don't seem to be getting the point I'm making about the shooting system and it's almost like you don't want to.

Because you tried to imply that because i didn't master pace /balance etc etc..i have a problem with the shooting system..
And I told you that's not the issue, because I have EXPERIENCE (the ISS remark )with the game.
Plus my issue with the game is NOT limited to shooting alone.

I don't see the point in explaining things or going any further, because you're never going to agree or even attempt to try to understand certain things. We're all different and that's the joy of the world, different opinions. Doesn't make me right and it doesn't make me wrong. May as well just agree on that and leave it at that.

^^^This is YOUR take on it..not mine ..if that's your assumption..just like you assumed that not mastering elements like body balance / and pace is my issue...well what can I do..

Like I said I respect everybodies opinion, even if I think it's bs. The only thing Is to do it civilized, and NOT make it personal with cussing etc..

 

[OptimusPrime]

hmm... I didn't find shooting to be particularly bad, although I've had cases where (in ML) I am under pressure to find a goal in situations where I am either 1 goal down or draw, and my shots just goes all over the place whenever I get into the box. While this is frustrating (and I yell at my monitor a lot for that), it does reflect on team mentality in real games, and is actually quite enjoyable in retrospect. It's kind of like a feeling when after winning a game, you sit back and think about it, it's like "Gez, did I just shout like a mad monkey for a virtual football match?".

Completely agree, it gives a bit of satisfaction..:happy:

but what I hate is when your under pressure and you make that draw or winning goal ( or so you thought ) 5 minutes before time...the AI puts a through ball in the last minute..your defender by the name of John Terry runs AWAY from the ball, allowing Tevez on a 1 on 1 situation..your goalie comes charging out stops the ball, than some mysterious fumble goes on..the ball drops out of his hands..and Messi taps the the late goal...:no::no::no:

Satisfaction ain't it..:w00t

 

[OptimusPrime]

So if you enjoy the game, then you must be up seabasss arse? FWIW last pes2010 I hated the game, traded it in because it was an insult to my intelligence and was a game made for people to abuse. No you didn't see acting like a little bitch creating thread after attention seeking thread denoucing the game and saying how much I hated it and why I was trading it in.

What's even more stupid is you accuse me of being up seabass's arse yet you still bought the game giving seabass his money and what do you know, you're still playing it like his little bitch.

This year there has been improvement, sure there are bugs like the refs, cursor switching, master league match times and money value of players being incorrect. That annoys me, but not to the point where I need to write essays and hate rants towards konami and seabass. Because lets me be real, your dole cheating ass and the rest of these fucks who register on here arn't going to start making a video game thats as good as what's available to todays standard to compete with fifa or pes. Neither are you or any of these other dumb psuedo pretentious wannabe game critics going to fix the problems in the game by starting these inane threads and talking about seabass doing gay acts you dreamt up while you were staring at boys trying your best to hold back those homosexual urgues you've been suppressing since you came out of your mothers womb before she had to do time for bringing you into this world.

:faceplm:

NERD RAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :w00t:w00t:w00t:w00t


And the

award goes to..........oint:

 

[Ultimate777]

^^^Wow that makes sense

You come up with that all by yourself little one?

You have no counter argument so you resort to internet pictures and 'facepalm'' images because you're so cool and hip right using the latest internet jargon right? Yet finish off with further hypocrisy calling me a nerd when you're the one bitching and getting worked up by the games flaws and konami as if they killed your family and started a war.

 

[Montanaro]

lol, are you 15?

 

[Ultimate777]

lol, are you 15?

You couldn't make it up. I got some little kid who use's ''lol'' in every post and can't even construct an argument ask me if I'm 15.

Who the fuck are you and what have you achieved in your life to enable you to question me about my age little one?

 

[Montanaro]

lol, someone has an inferiority complex, not to mention a host of other problems.

Keep on going, please, it's rather amusing (hence the lols, but do I really need to explain to you that I'm laughing at you? Judging from your posts I imagine you find yourself in similar situations daily.)

 

[Ultimate777]

lol, someone has an inferiority complex, not to mention a host of other problems.

Keep on going, please, it's rather amusing (hence the lols, but do I really need to explain to you that I'm laughing at you? Judging from your posts I imagine you find yourself in similar situations daily.)

Thats funny , an inferiority complex? Do you even know the meaning behind that term?. Why would I feel inferior to a bunch of know nothings who spend all day on here whining about the faults on pes11 as if thats all there is to life while I'm out living mine to the full? You need to realise you're not on my level and never will be. You're just another consumer caught in the web of gaming believing that it's the be all and end all to life. Couting every minute and hour to the next release date of your new game to bring meaning to your pathetic existence.

And yeah people do laugh at me because I know how to have a laugh and joke around with others because that's a part of socialising, something you and your transformer buddies here need to learn how to do.

Instead of sitting in your mums house all day playing pes11 on your own with the lights switched off tracing every little bad thing that's not right in the game, making a mental note of it only to come running on here to jot it down on so you feel validated by other attention seeking whores who like to complain about the woes of pes11.