few issues I noticed having played the demo for a while now

[DIECI]

I hope these can be addressed before the release of the final game, lets see if you guys noticed the same things.

1. golies : I have not been able to call out my golie on corner kicks, if he comes out its late and not responsive enough to be effective and he gets left out of place.

2. through balls : They seem to be very very over powered and too effective on the break. It seems that almost all the through balls get through, even if the defender is there to intercept them they still get to their intended offensive player target.

3. defense : Im finding it hard to control the game from the defensive stant point. Tackling and overtaking players to take the ball away doesn't seem to be as effetive as it should be. THis makes it very very hard to stop fast players like MEssi, Villa, Ribery or Robben

4. tricks and feints : I don't like the whole faints system, I feel it cheapens the game and makes it more aracadish rather than a simulation

5. passing : while its great I feel its too overpowering for the poor defensive system. Passing vs defense needs to be more balanced.

6. player movement : I notice that some players, maybe sometimes not all the time, possibly maybe when they're tired? They seem to accerate to their running speed much like a car. THey don't just take off running, its slow to fast and that sometimes kills the play.

THoughts. . .

 

[Dabeeds]

3 - Defence has been shit since Pes5. Not only the tackling, but the way your teamates would cover for you and their defencive positioning on the pitch was incredible in that game.

It was good enough to play 30 min games and still have realistic scorelines. That's a real sim !

If 2011 had defence like that, i would be REALLY excited for this game.

 

[DIECI]

3 - Defence has been shit since Pes5. Not only the tackling, but the way your teamates would cover for you and their defencive positioning on the pitch was incredible in that game.

It was good enough to play 30 min games and still have realistic scorelines. That's a real sim !

If 2011 had defence like that, i would be REALLY excited for this game.

but it doesnt at least not in the demo...

 

[Dabeeds]

The defenders definitely seem to get left a little "flat footed" on through balls, not playing them to well at all.

Here's a question that really deserves it's own thread.

Why don't they just make gameplay sliders like they do in other sports games ??

 

[DIECI]

The defenders definitely seem to get left a little "flat footed" on through balls, not playing them to well at all.

Here's a question that really deserves it's own thread.

Why don't they just make gameplay sliders like they do in other sports games ??

sliders would make this game really good. I mean I think they have something great to build on for the future, the base of the passing is great, they need to now look at some other aspects like I mentioned above and address them , maybe not by launch but with a patch shortly after.

 

[shaun7]

For the defence. The key is rush when you are sure, if not back down and wait for the AI to make a move and then press the tackling button.
I know there are certain issues but try that. It works. Press the backward direction and hold X, then when the AI is near you, release the back and if you times it right, your defender will back down, but then tackle and take the ball. Note that there are certain situations where this won't work.
SO also try using a player to cover the missing marking and hold the AI pressure button. That way you'll have 2 ways covered.
Anyway I agree that there are situations where it gets a bit uncontrolable.

As for through balls. Try using the manual through ball L2+triangle. The meter rises up slower with manual.
But yeah, the meter in passes and shots rise up a bit too fast.

 

[Dabeeds]

You CAN screw with the team style sliders though. I know it won't help for some things, but they should be able to effect the gameplay somewhat. I'm doing a 2 player game, tweeking both teams sliders, and just moving the controller back to the middle when the game starts.

The first slider ( support, i think ) i was moving both teams to 5 ( more defencive ) and it seemed to play more realistic (less chances) I only played a couple of games though so it's tuff to tell. I never was a slider creator myself, usually got them from ppl online.

I'm actually considering ordering the EU version this year though. And i haven't liked any of the soccer games since WE9/PES5, pro or fifa.

Have to get some of my ball running friends over here to really test out the defence. That's what exposed pes6's defencive flaws to me.:no:

Didn't know about that backwards and holding x, i'm gonna have to try that out.

What about strafe (R2) on defence ? That used to work great for playing d, squaring guys up, blocking shots, ect.

 

[shaun7]

^The R2 also works, but it's slightly slow at times. Anyway, it's still good. And yes, when you need to block a shot it's what you use. I also suggest using it when the AI is counter attacking. Back out and then use the R2 to defend.

 

[The_whisper]

What about these problems?

1. The inevitable flip of ANY player at EVERY single tackle on the ball. Even if you have IBRAHIMOVIC under your control, a simple tackle and he goes flipping like gymnastics !

2. The micro scaled player stats polygon which is good for nothing compared to PES9's. Their only use was to enable us for a quick player comparison.

3. The crosses which all go to no man's land. Overpowered.

 

[Gun_Runner]

some things that are pissing me off in PES 11 the now...

1. When you have the ball your other players never seem to make intelligent off the ball runs, this would be fine if there was a button to make them do a run (eg. in FIFA you press L1 & off they go...)

2. The general lack of advantage rule, this seriously has to be worked on. I know they have advantages in the game but they are few and far between.

3. Player differences; why is it when I'm sprinting with Messi that Van Buyten can keep up with him then throw him off the ball like a girl?

4. Overall defending. In FIFA I like the jockeying system, in PES it's not as good/effective. Also I've found that a few times I've been runnning alongside a player who has the ball and when I try to tackle nothing really happens & they end up just going past me like I'm not there...

 

[john4]

I hope these can be addressed before the release of the final game, lets see if you guys noticed the same things.

1. golies : I have not been able to call out my golie on corner kicks, if he comes out its late and not responsive enough to be effective and he gets left out of place.

Not really noticed this

2. through balls : They seem to be very very over powered and too effective on the break. It seems that almost all the through balls get through, even if the defender is there to intercept them they still get to their intended offensive player target.

Yes. Defenders just dont control quickly enough and end up leaving the ball for the attacker

3. defense : Im finding it hard to control the game from the defensive stant point. Tackling and overtaking players to take the ball away doesn't seem to be as effetive as it should be. THis makes it very very hard to stop fast players like MEssi, Villa, Ribery or Robben

Hmmm. I find the defenders always seem to be quicker than the attacker. I have caught up with the likes of Ribery with Pique on pretty much every occasion.

4. tricks and feints : I don't like the whole faints system, I feel it cheapens the game and makes it more aracadish rather than a simulation

Dont use them then? I dont mind them but i only try a few, the back heel flick, stepovers and odd shimmy type thing, cba learning the rest. Dont understand how to do the links at all, plus with the demo not saving i cba setting them up everytime.

5. passing : while its great I feel its too overpowering for the poor defensive system. Passing vs defense needs to be more balanced.

yes

6. player movement : I notice that some players, maybe sometimes not all the time, possibly maybe when they're tired? They seem to accerate to their running speed much like a car. THey don't just take off running, its slow to fast and that sometimes kills the play.

i too notice this. As already said defenders always seem to keep up with attackers even if itys Demicheles vs messi and and messi has a head start he stars so sluggish and just gets caught. Also ive had several counters where its been 3v2 in my favour and messi either gets caught or Villa and Ibra just make shit runs.
THoughts. . .

ADDED MY THOUGHTS TO THE QUOTE ^^^^
I would like to add the AI hardly ever makes good runs without one twoing it.

also when your jogging, not sprinting, the ball movement is absolutley awful. try it, just jog straight forward and see how the ball looks like a fooking yoyo on your foot. now i have noticed i cant stop noticing it!

and my last quarm is that the refs give freekicks for everything and then konami have decided we should see these enraging dubious decisions again in a replay. for christ sake just replay yellow/red card fouls and pens! i dont wanna see me come in and slightly nudge somebody in a replay thanks

 

[DIECI]

some things that are pissing me off in PES 11 the now...

1. When you have the ball your other players never seem to make intelligent off the ball runs, this would be fine if there was a button to make them do a run (eg. in FIFA you press L1 & off they go...)

2. The general lack of advantage rule, this seriously has to be worked on. I know they have advantages in the game but they are few and far between.

3. Player differences; why is it when I'm sprinting with Messi that Van Buyten can keep up with him then throw him off the ball like a girl?

4. Overall defending. In FIFA I like the jockeying system, in PES it's not as good/effective. Also I've found that a few times I've been runnning alongside a player who has the ball and when I try to tackle nothing really happens & they end up just going past me like I'm not there...

on your #1, yes I noticed this, I was playing a good possession attack, building up for a few minutes, I had the ball with Ibra at the top of the penatly area and had Villa to my left, I turn towards him and give him a throug pass which would have set him free for a 1 on 1 vs the keeper but instead of making the run forward he decides to fall back into a support position and ofcourse the through pass went to no one. I was thinking WTF !!!

on your#4, yes yes yes, defense is horrible! Puyol vs Muller, yesterday again. Muller is coming, I'm falling back and defending with Puyol and a 2nd defender (cant rememrer who). I send Puyol up with X to make the tackle but he simply runs right past Muller while my other defender is just watching him run by for a goal.

I decided to put PES2010 in last night and had a blast! I know some of you don't like it but its more PES than what they're trying to do this year, which to me is a hybrid version of FIFA. Also, why change our substitution and game management screens? They've been the same on PES forever and they were not the problem with the game, why try to reinvent the wheel if that part of the game was fine? Im really trying to like the game but the more I play the more I find issues that I simply get annoyed at. Online with the defense the way it is on the DEMO will create games with scores of 6-5 every other game, once peeps learn how to use Messi correctly or any other fast attacker its OVER!

 

[shaun7]

It's nothing like fifa. I am playing both demos and both give a different perspective f football. It reminds me more of pes 6 tbh. But yeah it has more floating which needs fixing. But some are making shooting much worse than it really is. And also, the defence in pes 11 demo is tons better than pes 10's. In pes 10 all you need to do is to sprint down the wing and pass the ball and press square and score. That sucks.
In pes 11, you can defend against these idiots who do that and you can stop them. I don't see major defensive problems in pes 11. Just some irritating issues. But overall it's much better defensively than pes 10.

 

[DIECI]

It's nothing like fifa. I am playing both demos and both give a different perspective f football. It reminds me more of pes 6 tbh. But yeah it has more floating which needs fixing. But some are making shooting much worse than it really is. And also, the defence in pes 11 demo is tons better than pes 10's. In pes 10 all you need to do is to sprint down the wing and pass the ball and press square and score. That sucks.
In pes 11, you can defend against these idiots who do that and you can stop them. I don't see major defensive problems in pes 11. Just some irritating issues. But overall it's much better defensively than pes 10.

no way is the defense better in pes11 ! absolutely not! In pes you could print down the side but if you know what you're doing you could stop that. Also I dont see any resemblence to PES6 in any way shape or form.

 

[shaun7]

^That shocked me seriously. The defence is worse than pes 10? NO WAY. I know it's your opinion and NO YOU COULDN'T STOP MESSI RUNNERS IN PES 10, but you can in 11. So I don't see any reason why you would say that the defence is worse than 10 because it's clearly not. If pes 11 failed in all areas compared to 10, the defence is sure not one of them.
In my opinion it's better at 10 in most areas anyway.

 

[DIECI]

^That shocked me seriously. The defence is worse than pes 10? NO WAY. I know it's your opinion and NO YOU COULDN'T STOP MESSI RUNNERS IN PES 10, but you can in 11. So I don't see any reason why you would say that the defence is worse than 10 because it's clearly not. If pes 11 failed in all areas compared to 10, the defence is sure not one of them.
In my opinion it's better at 10 in most areas anyway.

its very possible to stop Messi runners in PES2010. You need to position your defenders in the right place and you could do it. I just find that in PES2011 maybe the animation and player movement makes it hard to get that "lock" on the attacker and take the ball from them. You know what I mean by the "lock" ? I dont know how else to explain it, and yes its clearly my opinion

 

[john4]

In pes 10 all you need to do is to sprint down the wing and pass the ball and press square and score. That sucks.
In pes 11, you can defend against these idiots who do that and you can stop them. I don't see major defensive problems in pes 11. Just some irritating issues. But overall it's much better defensively than pes 10.

the only reason you cant do this in pes2011 is because the passing or crossing in those wide areas is shocking. they drill it every time and always to the furthest man. you seemingly have no input into where a crossed ball goe3s.

 

[Dabeeds]

I think the defending has been garbage in all their games since Pes5.

This one actually seems better than anything from pes6- 2010 to me, but it's still early, and i didn't realise how bad the d was in Pes6 compared to 5 right away either.

As for crossing, mabye they're always going too far because your only single tapping ( far post cross) the long pass button ? Try double tapping it ( near post cross) , or holding L2 when when you long pass all the way down in the opponents area, ( where it normally gives you the automatic cross ). This way you can still get the power meter to come up and you can manually cross it yourself.

 

[MysteryMan]

I hope these can be addressed before the release of the final game, lets see if you guys noticed the same things.

1. golies : I have not been able to call out my golie on corner kicks, if he comes out its late and not responsive enough to be effective and he gets left out of place.

2. through balls : They seem to be very very over powered and too effective on the break. It seems that almost all the through balls get through, even if the defender is there to intercept them they still get to their intended offensive player target.

3. defense : Im finding it hard to control the game from the defensive stant point. Tackling and overtaking players to take the ball away doesn't seem to be as effetive as it should be. THis makes it very very hard to stop fast players like MEssi, Villa, Ribery or Robben

4. tricks and feints : I don't like the whole faints system, I feel it cheapens the game and makes it more aracadish rather than a simulation

5. passing : while its great I feel its too overpowering for the poor defensive system. Passing vs defense needs to be more balanced.

6. player movement : I notice that some players, maybe sometimes not all the time, possibly maybe when they're tired? They seem to accerate to their running speed much like a car. THey don't just take off running, its slow to fast and that sometimes kills the play.

THoughts. . .

1. True

2. I don't think they are overpowered, think they are fine it just depends on the positioning of players and intercepting them.

3. It just takes time to get used to it , I had problems too but now I got quite alot better at it and I don't have problems tackling players tho sometimes I get stupid fouls for barely touching them.

4. Thats one of the best updates in PES ever dude , don't you get it now you can program specific tricks so the players are more unique , the setback is that you can't program specific trick feints you save to DIFFERENT players on your team, you can only select 1 and all of your players will do that , they need to sort it out , if you can program them to any player u like you can really make the players unique and dribble like in real life.

5. I think its not a passing issue , passing is fine , the defense could probably be improved tho.

6. I don't know exactly what you mean but players don't reach their top speed in 3 strides , I think its pretty realistic the way it is now.

 

[DIECI]

the only reason you cant do this in pes2011 is because the passing or crossing in those wide areas is shocking. they drill it every time and always to the furthest man. you seemingly have no input into where a crossed ball goe3s.

I said in one of the above posts that the passing is way too over powering for the defenders ability and should be evened out, either reduce the strengh of the passing and through balls or improve the positioning, reaction and controllability of the defenders. If not this will become an arcadish game with crazy scorelines like 6-5, 7-4 etc.