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[proevofan88]

I am sure most of you are aware by now that Konami actually in contact with this site and will be checking up on it regularly to observe our ideas and maybe implement them.

Soo.... I figured, whoever would like to contribute their ideas, this thread could be a good place to start ( given the threads name, I think Konami would certainly look at it hehe ).

Now for the ideas..

Obviously the first and foremost is the game-play. This has got to EVOLVE. I would say use pes6 or pes5 as your starting point and from there just EVOLVE the series.

More options ( stadiums, snow, teams, etc. )

Improve Master league, incorporate the Champions League into ML

Deteriorate the field if conditions are bad as the match goes on

ONLINE HAS TO PLAY SMOOTH.....idk how else to put this Konami. It cannot fail in 2010.....

So there you have it....Any other ideas you have post em' here and will see where things go.

Thanks,

 

[Mullet Taylor]

players moving in 8 directions is OLD. time to introduce 16 way movement

bring back pes shop

put champions league into master league

 

[Vitumbiko]

I am sure most of you are aware by now that Konami actually in contact with this site and will be checking up on it regularly to observe our ideas and maybe implement them.

Soo.... I figured, whoever would like to contribute their ideas, this thread could be a good place to start ( given the threads name, I think Konami would certainly look at it hehe ).

Now for the ideas..

Obviously the first and foremost is the game-play. This has got to EVOLVE. I would say use pes6 or pes5 as your starting point and from there just EVOLVE the series.

More options ( stadiums, snow, teams, etc. )

Improve Master league, incorporate the Champions League into ML

Deteriorate the field if conditions are bad as the match goes on

ONLINE HAS TO PLAY SMOOTH.....idk how else to put this Konami. It cannot fail in 2010.....

So there you have it....Any other ideas you have post em' here and will see where things go.

Thanks,

Yeah and one more thing MOTION CAPTURING!!!! Konami need to make their game play realistic cos i got Fifa 09 on PS3 and its the best football game i've ever played. So konami need to step it up.

 

[Amateur]

Good title for this thread, straight and simple.

First and foremost I would say that the whole "Football Package" isn't doing Konami any favors. I think Konami should forget all about New Modes, Licenses, Graphics, Weather Conditions, Editing Mode, 11 vs 11, and all that. They should instead focus 100% on the 1 vs 1 Gameplay.

Once they get that right they can start thinking about new things to "add" to the game.

So here's a couple of things I think they should do:

- They need to get rid of the "rigid" movements, they need to get as closer as possible to 360ª movement and passing. This alone would make a huge difference.

- Lots of New Animations in both Defensive and Attacking aspects of the game.

- Change everything involving "Dribbling Tricks Controls". The change to the Left Stick doesn't works properly, it is uncomfortable. They should make it more intuitive.

- They need to implement Alternatives to the classic R2 "pass and move" play. Maybe instead of just having R2 has the main tactical button, Konami could also use the 4 buttons used for passing and kicking the ball. That would give us some 5 alternatives instead of just 1.

- They have to come up with a revolutionary concept for the "Tactical System" of each team, it needs to be more specific.

- They should include another Tactical Option for in-game use, similar to FIFA's L1 Tap which sets up attacking runs without having to pass the ball. This alone would add a significant amount of depth to the gameplay.

- Re-design the Stats and Special Abilities, it can and should be better with Next Gen Consoles. They should introduce at least some 10 New Stats in the process.

- Introduce the "Team Chemistry" Concept.

 

[shaun7]

^Good ideas, but I say, don't forget about the editing. I spend hours on edot mode. I want it. It's like a part of pes now.

 

[JoeH]

Champions League in the master league is a good idea, but what if people are using say a South American option file or any other option file, so when they play a master league, you would have Boca Juniors or Sao Paulo in the master league.

So for that reason, it makes sense not to have it included.

Master league needs real money, and able to sign players on a free if they are released like on PES6, PES5 etc.

And the ability for players to sign contracts all year round rather than the final transfer window of their final contract year.

 

[jenicek68]

I feel pretty satisfy the pes 2009 is.. I have more like some suggestion how to upgrade it..

1) Animations:

1.1 Recieving of balls.. There you need plenty of new animations and some sort of ai for random-ly generated ball reactions to person and ground, becouse that is biggest reason that PES is looking bit old and fifa looks realistic.. Pes is still stuck with same animation in this part from PES 3 or so..

1.2 I think that movement of players with ball should stay in 8-directions, other-wise it will be much more slower in reactions and stats will less affect, which player is star and which isn´t. But player without ball actualy can have 16-directions movement without any problem, and it will give that sort of next gen feeling too..

1.3 Ball animation, which you will improve as alway´s.. Again, make some sort of ai. which will slighltly affect the ball reaction to ground and so..


1.4 Running animation have to be improved drasticly.. It is the weekest point of the game..

After theese upgrades, PES actualy catch with next gen look of fifa..


2) EDITING:

2.1. Now, find a way, that we can have 100 slots for stadiums.. We are not asking to make brand new stadiums, just to give us chance to put new stadiums in. So one day there will have every team in the game their own stadium..

2.2. Chants. Please again, make sure that every team got slot for their own chants. More audio files for each team we will be able to put in, better.. 10 Would be absolutly satisfiing.. Also i think, that PS3 option of mp3 is nice, why we dont have it on PC or Xbox 360 and have to use some special tools..

2.3. Make sure that editing will be accessible for all versions, other-wise you risking, that people will not buy your game, if you know what i mean..


3) DIFFICULTY

3.1. Improve difficult Couse some w....s complaining about it, but personaly the TOP LEVEL is matching me a normal player which plays PES two hours per day.. But it is truth, that i can imagine, that some players are better then me..




And that is all.. PES 2009 is almost perfect, just few things need to be improved, and game is again unreachable by concuretion..

 

[CaptainCabinet]

Yeah and one more thing MOTION CAPTURING!!!! Konami need to make their game play realistic cos i got Fifa 09 on PS3 and its the best football game i've ever played. So konami need to step it up.

Whilst I find every post in this thread with at least some inaccuracy in it, I found this the most hilarious of the lot.

 

[Amateur]

I feel pretty satisfy the pes 2009 is.. I have more like some suggestion how to upgrade it..

1) Animations:

1.1 Recieving of balls.. There you need plenty of new animations and some sort of ai for random-ly generated ball reactions to person and ground, becouse that is biggest reason that PES is looking bit old and fifa looks realistic.. Pes is still stuck with same animation in this part from PES 3 or so..

1.2 I think that movement of players with ball should stay in 8-directions, other-wise it will be much more slower in reactions and stats will less affect, which player is star and which isn´t. But player without ball actualy can have 16-directions movement without any problem, and it will give that sort of next gen feeling too..

1.3 Ball animation, which you will improve as alway´s.. Again, make some sort of ai. which will slighltly affect the ball reaction to ground and so..


1.4 Running animation have to be improved drasticly.. It is the weekest point of the game..

After theese upgrades, PES actualy catch with next gen look of fifa..


2) EDITING:

2.1. Now, find a way, that we can have 100 slots for stadiums.. We are not asking to make brand new stadiums, just to give us chance to put new stadiums in. So one day there will have every team in the game their own stadium..

2.2. Chants. Please again, make sure that every team got slot for their own chants. More audio files for each team we will be able to put in, better.. 10 Would be absolutly satisfiing.. Also i think, that PS3 option of mp3 is nice, why we dont have it on PC or Xbox 360 and have to use some special tools..

2.3. Make sure that editing will be accessible for all versions, other-wise you risking, that people will not buy your game, if you know what i mean..


3) DIFFICULTY

3.1. Improve difficult Couse some w....s complaining about it, but personaly the TOP LEVEL is matching me a normal player which plays PES two hours per day.. But it is truth, that i can imagine, that some players are better then me..




And that is all.. PES 2009 is almost perfect, just few things need to be improved, and game is again unreachable by concuretion..

No offense, but this is exactly what's wrong with PES. It seems the fans do Not know what real Football is.

PES09 is almost perfect?? Please elaborate on that statement.

WHY is it perfect??

Is it because of the COM controlling everything from sliding tackles, to dribbles, to shoots going in. Or is it because of the arcadey 8-directional movement. Or that we barely have any decent tricks anymore.

Is it the immense Time and Space available on the pitch. Or that we barely have any animations in both Defending and Attacking. Is it the "rigid" movements.

I'd really like to know how PES09 is almost perfect, considering it isn't even close to real football. It's numb, it lacks plenty of Intensity. Which is something that PES used to have back in the PS2.

PS - My apologies if this offends you.

 

[El_Pupi]

fixing the online lag would help the flow of the gameplay so much, and basically all they would need to do is make the defenders smarter against the superplayer henry etoo messi c.ronaldo.

i wanna see an option of using the game lobbies or not, sort of like in fifa. also, sort the teams by category strong teams medium and small teams, and choose them whether or not as an option, so you dont end up playing against barca every game

 

[jameslv]

use the fifa penalty system, crowd reaction, add a real calendar for masterleague, make accumulated fatigue more realistic, some players can play a near whole season

 

[alonCFC]

adding a "super cup" to ML. ofcoarse changing the name to a stupid one...

 

[jenicek68]

No offense, but this is exactly what's wrong with PES. It seems the fans do Not know what real Football is.

PES09 is almost perfect?? Please elaborate on that statement.

WHY is it perfect??

Is it because of the COM controlling everything from sliding tackles, to dribbles, to shoots going in. Or is it because of the arcadey 8-directional movement. Or that we barely have any decent tricks anymore.

Is it the immense Time and Space available on the pitch. Or that we barely have any animations in both Defending and Attacking. Is it the "rigid" movements.

I'd really like to know how PES09 is almost perfect, considering it isn't even close to real football. It's numb, it lacks plenty of Intensity. Which is something that PES used to have back in the PS2.

PS - My apologies if this offends you.

Belive me, if they will follow, what i wrote.. You will be the one, who will say that PES 2010 is best soccer ever made.. It is also difficult to satisfy everyone, you should consider to go play Fifa.. I played football over 16 nice years and i can tell you that i know what football is. And of course i know that PES is not simulation of football, not either fifa or any footy game including Sensible soccer and so.. Non of them can be simulation of football becouse match is usualy 5 - 10 mins.. In real it is slightly different.. Now what pes is trying to do is use the stats from real, use physics of the ball, and simulating short match, where you will be controling only one player with specific capabilities and then swap for the other one with different capabilities (in real football, not everyone can make such a lovely pass and so). But i dont wanna to make incredible passing with every player i choice, make a tricks and so, run almost same speed like the others and all that staff from Fifa.. Of course it is much more easy to go over player in PES than in fifa, but you must consider that match is long only about 5-10 mins and what is actualy happends in front of goal in PES 2009 is best ever made footy game in history, you just cannot compere any other game including PES 6.. If you look on match results than my match is most of the time 1:0 or 2:1 3:0 or 4:2 and loosing that way too, but it is only rarely going over that and if i compare theese ressults with reality, than it is close enaugh for me.. The different situations and atmosphere is what i love about real footy and that is what i always liked about pes since ISS pro.. If you feel that PES 06 is better, than play that.. I have nothing against that. But it is your opinion and this is mine.. I have to agree that pes 08 wasn´t good at all.. But PES 09 is going to right direction where i like and if I imagine difference between PES 08 - PES 09, than reasult is massive.. If you change game engine, it takes many years to evolve to diamond and at this position (when stone is almost sanded and becoming diamond), will be bigest mistake to change engine.. It was like that with Fifa 06 - 09, Iss pro till PES, In PES 2 till PES 6 and so will be now.. Belive me, next year will be change and series will be back where it used to be..

 

[Bish]

Put a bit more effort into the ps2 version as there's still a large fanbase that still play it on there.

 

[dan80]

bring back GK control
-pes shop
-more footballs like pes 5
- proper edit mode it still isnt the same
-penalty system with a power bar i missed a pen 2day by it going over the bar
-3D crowds with some atmosphere they all sound the same boring ive heard a crowd chant from pes 3 on 2009
-animations need to change they are still last gen
-more indiviual runing style like pes 5 players used to dribble diffrntly
-mix and match kits that was one of the best things koami done and they took it out the next year
-more stadiums old trafford emeriates stamford bridge and even lower teams like whit heart lane gooderson park st james park upton park
-more pitch pattens there is just one pitch type on 2009
- proper refes real faces and there abilties like u have a good ref and a not so good one he may like to book alot the other may want the game to flow
-see sus warming up when u send them out show the subs coming on weather your losing or drawing or even when u sub 3 at once
-weather must be there i know it has rain but it does no affect and make champions league games at night in master league
-proper calender
-newspaper articles
-also when they say rooney is the leading score we find out the secret behind his FROM (they cant spell) they should elaberate on it we never acually find out
-proper training mode in master league and in normall training
-more advets on the ad bords not just konami pes 2009 and satana
-realistic goal nets
-proper inuries i have never had a red injury on pes 2009 and maybe have a player out for up to a seaon or half i think yellow inureis are silly u either are injured or your not
-bring back trick stick with more tricks
-fans wear team colours make it look like whos home game it is
-make the kits look like they arnt attatched to the player obiously bring back untucked shirts
-under shorts
-neck warmers
-ankle socks like ronaldo.torres etc
have it where the added time is added on at the end make it carry on until 94th min and u acually see it not just put stopage time
-Commentry must change this is just not acceptable same things said at leagt 3 times in one game they really hant got a clue eahts hapaning liekthe goalkeeper saves a penalty john would say he lucky his defenders were the to pick up the pices sack mark lawernson he is so shitttt
-more boots e.g. reebok umbero with more colous like white nike mercs to lime green or re what ever just have more colour option for boots
-make each game feel differnt they all feel the same
-more longer trophies ceremony with players going in to the fans celebrating
-have players get angry when subed like chuck a bottle on the ground but make it real like wayne rooney doing it or joey barton who ever is aggreive and then make ryan giggs clap off and be happy for what hes done
-proper internationals in master league like if your player does well he should be called up and u should be ale to play the game

there is so much konami can do if they put the effot in cause right now i can never see this looking like a next gen game but i hope they prove me wrong i want them to

 

[iamcanadianeh]

Belive me, if they will follow, what i wrote.. You will be the one, who will say that PES 2010 is best soccer ever made.. It is also difficult to satisfy everyone, you should consider to go play Fifa.. I played football over 16 nice years and i can tell you that i know what football is. And of course i know that PES is not simulation of football, not either fifa or any footy game including Sensible soccer and so.. Non of them can be simulation of football becouse match is usualy 5 - 10 mins.. In real it is slightly different.. Now what pes is trying to do is use the stats from real, use physics of the ball, and simulating short match, where you will be controling only one player with specific capabilities and then swap for the other one with different capabilities (in real football, not everyone can make such a lovely pass and so). But i dont wanna to make incredible passing with every player i choice, make a tricks and so, run almost same speed like the others and all that staff from Fifa.. Of course it is much more easy to go over player in PES than in fifa, but you must consider that match is long only about 5-10 mins and what is actualy happends in front of goal in PES 2009 is best ever made footy game in history, you just cannot compere any other game including PES 6.. If you look on match results than my match is most of the time 1:0 or 2:1 3:0 or 4:2 and loosing that way too, but it is only rarely going over that and if i compare theese ressults with reality, than it is close enaugh for me.. The different situations and atmosphere is what i love about real footy and that is what i always liked about pes since ISS pro.. If you feel that PES 06 is better, than play that.. I have nothing against that. But it is your opinion and this is mine.. I have to agree that pes 08 wasn´t good at all.. But PES 09 is going to right direction where i like and if I imagine difference between PES 08 - PES 09, than reasult is massive.. If you change game engine, it takes many years to evolve to diamond and at this position (when stone is almost sanded and becoming diamond), will be bigest mistake to change engine.. It was like that with Fifa 06 - 09, Iss pro till PES, In PES 2 till PES 6 and so will be now.. Belive me, next year will be change and series will be back where it used to be..

I agree with you on most of these points.

Obviously not everyone does... But all we can do is respect their opinions, and I think you made it clear that you do.

That being said, however, I can't help but get the impression that some people underestimate how much work goes into these games. For starters, the genre itself is not an easy one. Surely making a footy game represents a major challenge for a developer compared to, say, a First Person Shooter (especially since nowadays there are so many companies making those sort of games and stealing or sharing ideas, engines, etc.).

I respect what Konami have done for us in the past, and with the exception of 07 and 08, which I played the heck out of anyway, I am satisfied with their product. I think now that we have 09 and especially BAL, we can see things clearly are going in the right direction. I don't think this year's game is perfect, but I play it every day and still love it. I agree about the realism of scorelines, and in my experience this, as well as the variety of goals (with the exception maybe of corners) is better than it has ever been.

I, too, fear that Konami may lose what they have by tearing down and rebuilding the game in some of the ways people have suggested, and I would rather see another step in the right direction next year than a complete mess (motion capture, and an entirely new engine would kill the heart of what makes PES what it is, plus I think there is so much more they can do with the engine that they have - and that if they keep on this path they migh yet make it "perfect.")

 

[proevofan88]

All of you so far have gotten good ideas and also some good and fair arguments that Konami should look into.

One thing I will say tho is that I realize some people think it is time for a new engine and yet some feel that it is fine the way it is.

IMO...PES2009 was not a very good game, it became repetitive. However, it is a step in the right direction and I don't think that a "NEW" engine would do it any good now. It would take a couple of years at least to iron out all the faults that come with the engine. But then again...

PES2009 certainly is not a game that we should accept from Konami in the future.....this was their last chance. They know now, that they need to deliver on all fronts, but game-play the FIRST priority by far.

 

[kryptic27]

i know this isnt the most important thing that should be in the game but i think they should put in a football editor where you can create ur own footballs to use in matches and you could trade and buy other peoples online with pes points or you could put one of ur creations on the line in an online match if the challenger wins they get to keep ur created football.

its something that i think hasn't been done in a football game before and it could extremeley fun to play around in a mode like this, jus think how creative people will be. there will definately be people out there who would be capable of creating the official league balls from around the world so that would sort out the lack of licensed balls in pes games. Also you would have some real funny ones like erm i dunno a yellow ball that looks like pac-man or something lol

anyways once agen i know its not really that important for a football game coz gameplay comes first but i think it would be a fun and creative addition to a pes game

 

[Amateur]

All of you so far have gotten good ideas and also some good and fair arguments that Konami should look into.

One thing I will say tho is that I realize some people think it is time for a new engine and yet some feel that it is fine the way it is.

IMO...PES2009 was not a very good game, it became repetitive. However, it is a step in the right direction and I don't think that a "NEW" engine would do it any good now. It would take a couple of years at least to iron out all the faults that come with the engine. But then again...

PES2009 certainly is not a game that we should accept from Konami in the future.....this was their last chance. They know now, that they need to deliver on all fronts, but game-play the FIRST priority by far.

Agreed..

Personally, I think PES used to be great, but mostly because of the time. I mean, PES was the 1st Football Sim (that I know off) to offer many Stats and Control options, it was the Football Sim that set the standards in the PS2.

But the problem with the Series is that after PES5 it never really "evolved" -- "pick up and play" games Peak Early. Which is the problem with PES. Because I think that PES09 is a poor effort, plain and simple.

But I also do not think much of PES6 nowadays, it's like I got bored of the same thing, I know all the flaws and I know how much better it could be. So I'm just waiting to see the Gameplay Evolve, if it ever does.

Fact of the matter is that PES09 turned an Outdated game and made it feel even more out of date. PES09 is easier and more straightforward than either PES5 or PES6. This for me is unacceptable, PES needs to grow up and use everything that a Next Gen Console has to offer.

 

[El_Pupi]

i would like to see players warming up or simply just playing around with the ball like the brazilians do before the match while the game is loading that would be great instead of having to stare at some clouds like in pes9.

better camera angles being able to lower the camera or make it higher and zoom in and out for a more tactical game

i wanna see players run smooth and not so robotic like they do in PES. make the one on one challeges be more difficult to win the ball.

konami should license whatever EA does not have exclusive rights to like some south american leagues, north american teams, asian, african teams

there are some animations that you dont get while playing online, i want those animations in online mode also, more animations of frustration when a team is loseing, during important matches derbys animations of joy, anger, happiness in players faces

celebrations of the crowd just just the players when a goal is scored, i wanna see the crowd going wild, specially with south american and italian teams