Formation against human players

[sfo_sc]

I have no problem playing the CPU 5 or 6 stars. But when I play human players, I am having problem. When I put more defensive players, I am lacking offense, when I have too much offense, I am weak in defense. I just wonder if there is someone here play human players a lot like I do who got a good formation? What is the best formation playing human players?

 

[young]

hello there friend.
my opinion is that theres no suitable formation for all sircumstances.it has to do with how experienced you are ,how well you can observe the needs of your team to make changes,and most important of all which team you play for.
for me works better by using two formations a clasic 4-3-3,and a defensive 4-4-2 switching between them .
i play with italy national team

 

[jangle]

try to play unpredictable moves or passes, humans are easy to get fooled, and also try use "triangle" for passing instead of "X", it might work !

 

[sfo_sc]

young,

Do you mind if you mention a little bit more detail on your 4-3-3 formation? Something like attack attitude or defensive attitude. Also the positions for the MF and CF? Thanks.

 

[Original?]

The key is, making sure you know your weaknesses and then making sure your opponent doesn't.

If you are light in defense make your midfielders work, get them tracking back.

My favourite fomation is something like this:

--------- 1 --------
---- 2 -- 3 -- 4 ----
--------- 5 --------
-- 6 ----------- 7 --
--------- 8 --------
-- 9 ---- 10 --- 11 --

Or something to that effect atleast

 

[Zygalski]

The UK national champion won the title by playing 4-2-1-3 and he was playing against 4-1-2-3. A common formation I've seen in tournaments is 4-2-2-2. Try to keep solid at the back with your back 4 and 2 DMFs. Then try anything you want with your remaining players.

 

[Lost seraphim]

you just always have to be creative and be a step ahead of who you're playing, use 1-2's, first time through balls, and chipped through-balls, stuff like that, just passing and around and waiting for stuff to happen or using your superstar to dribble through just won't work

 

[bonk]

learn from the pros

for the formation i agree with zygalski, be rock-solid with 4line defense and 2 defensive midfielders (it`s always nice if one of them has also great offensive skills like gerrard or ballack).
for the style of play i can only say, look at the real football out there and learn the tactics. for me it`s easy as it comes kind of naturally, i played football for 6years in an amateur league and always was a big fan of big games no matter if it`s real madrid, barca, arsenal, bayern munich ect.

just study how the real players perform on the pitch next time you`re watching a football game. pay attention to combinations, they`re runways, how the defensive players move and stuff like that. if you think you have that experience then it`s not gonna be too hard to apply your collected knowledge in the game against a human player.
for me the key is to be able to read your human opponent`s assessment of yourself. when i see he adjusted himself too good to my style, then i start changing it (i like using all these tactical gimmicks like swap midfielders and strikers positions, going over the wings, offside traps, defender breakthrough and stuff), like when he figured my fast play and one-touch ways i slow the pace down (to also not waste my players` endurance and on the other hand make his players run around for a while), sometimes even to stand still, so as to taunt my enemy and luring him into bookings.

another funny but main skill for me is to never run with the same speed whether i receive the ball or make a run i`m constantly going from dash to tipping the ball slightly in front of me, going to normal dribble then apruptly stand still, roll the ball further ahead of me (using R2) than my opponent might have assumed. all these things will start making your ball handling quite unpredictible, so if your enemy is smart he will refrain from pressing or tackling you too much cause of the bookings.
so i sort of tend to `go with the flow` of the match if you ask me.

live the football, as life is the best teacher of all...

 

[sfo_sc]

Bonk, you tips are really helpful. I am going to try that in my next game against another player. =)

 

[young]

about my 4-3-3

young,

Do you mind if you mention a little bit more detail on your 4-3-3 formation? Something like attack attitude or defensive attitude. Also the positions for the MF and CF? Thanks.

well friend thats the way it is

4-3-3 formation

GK
MALDINI/FERRARI---------NESTA------------PANUCCI-------
--------------------- F.CANAVARO----------------------

--DONI/FIORE-----------TOMASI/PIRLO---------------------
-------------------------------------------F.INZAGHI-------

---------------------------TOTTI------------------

--DEL PIERO-----------------------------------VIERI----------

USE DIRECTIONS ARROWS AND ZONE PRESSURE TYPE A AS A DEFAULT
AND LINE DEFENCE
------

tell me if it worked for you friend


4-4-2 formation(DEFENSIVE)

--------------------------GK---------------------------------
--MALDINI/FERRARI-------NESTA----------------PANUCCI-----
---------------------F.CANNAVARO---------------------------

----------------TOMASSI------------------------------------
-------------------------------------ZAMBROTTA------------
--DEL PIERO------------------------------------F.INZAGHI/DONI-

--------------------TOTTI-----------------------------------

----------------------------------VIERI---------------------

THATS MY 4-4-2 AND GIVES ME MORE CONTROL OF THE GAME CAUSE EASY TO SEE THAT MY CENTRE IS MORE FULL
ZONE PRESS A- LINE DEFENCE

 

[sfo_sc]

young,

Just wanna make sure, it seems like it is a 3-1-3-3. Am I correct? You put Cannavaro right in front of Nesta? How about they should be apart?

 

[young]

young,

Just wanna make sure, it seems like it is a 3-1-3-3. Am I correct? You put Cannavaro right in front of Nesta? How about they should be apart?

thats right friend.about cannavaro now i believe that the attack begins from the defence,pushing the opponent as much high in the pitch you can.dont wait for him to come down in your danger area.im not saying that putting cannavaro side to side with nesta is wrong(thats what everyone expects).
But the big secret is to surprise your opponent.do you have a different proposal?have you try it? let me know

 

[nunobrochado]

I prefer the 4-1-3-2 tactic, a solid defense (i out the attack arrows back for the defenders), the defensive midfielder must be good in the jump and header. I use two very fast wing players. This tactic is very good to play against humans. But depends every time of your skill.

 

[sfo_sc]

Young,
I have been trying 4-2-1-3 and 4-1-2-3. I liked it a lot when playing against human players or CPU. It is some what like yours, but a little bit more defence. =) Thanks for your opinions.

 

[young]

Young,
I have been trying 4-2-1-3 and 4-1-2-3. I liked it a lot when playing against human players or CPU. It is some what like yours, but a little bit more defence. =) Thanks for your opinions.

sfo
your formations sound interesting,i'll have to try it to say more.before i end to the formation i use now i was using this but i had some trouble with scoring
but it might suit you.


-------------------------------GK-----------------------------------------


----------CB------------------CB---------------------CB------------------

------------------------------CB------------------------------------------
--------------------DMF-----------------DMF-----------------------------

---------------MF-------------------------------MF-----------------------

----------------------------OMF------------------------------------------


------------------------------CF------------------------------------------



it a classic 4-5-1 but if you use arrow directions you can make it work as a 4-4-2 as well.thanks for your tips

 

[ra7al_Dxb]

Hi guys this is my first post,.,..,
this is only my opinion.,,.
i think there is no "best formation", for every formation there is a weak point and u should take advantage of the weakness.,,.
so 4 u guyz who think that they have the best formation ever, tell me whts ur formation is and ill tell me whts ur formation and am ready to tell u wht is ur weakness and ill tell wht formation i would use to beat u!!!



NO OFFENSE,..,.,.,

 

[Han]

My only multiplayer-experience is playing the WE2002 on-line league at ISS-extreme, about 1.5 years ago. You cannot compare we2002 and PES 4/WE8. What I remember is that almost everybody used zone press when not in posession. Is that still the most used style in multiplayermode in WE8/PES 4? It was easier to defend in WE2002. I was very good at it but that will not be the case in WE8/PES 4, because the attackers are much more agile and that makes the defense a lot more difficult I guess.
I am looking forward playing you guys at the XBox next month
Talking about these formations; I use some adapted 4-2-2-2, looking like this:
---------------------KP-------------------
------------------------------------------
------------- CBT---------CBT-------------
--SB--------------------------------SB----
-------------------------------------------
-------------DM-----------DM-------------
-------------------------------------------
-----OMF----------------------OMF--------
-------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------
------------CF--------CF------------------
-------------------------------------------

I think the strong point of this is the ability to change between an almost flat 4-4-2 and a 4-2-2-2, depending what I do with my OMF's.
I have a question about the attacking arrows: What is the use to point an attacking arrow backwards?? I never do it because it causes gaps between the lines. Is there somebody who knows a usefull use of attacking arrows pointing backwards?

 

[Ryder Style]

I have no problem playing the CPU 5 or 6 stars. But when I play human players, I am having problem. When I put more defensive players, I am lacking offense, when I have too much offense, I am weak in defense. I just wonder if there is someone here play human players a lot like I do who got a good formation? What is the best formation playing human players?

best way is a balanced 4-4-2 BUT position edit your wingers so they are right out on the touch lines, that way they are always free and gives you more attacking options. simple but effective

 

[Mastermind]

As I mentioned in one of the other threads. I rarely play against the "com". All my experience with human friendly matchs. Winning:Loss ratio is 5:1.

I only use 3-4-3 if I play with Brazil, France, Spain or Netherland's. I denfend using X all time during the match while opponent is on attack. Never release that till the goal keeper catchs the ball. My offensive style >> I usually wait for the opponent to approach the player with the ball to do the x passing [You should consider the player's response ability to exactly time your pass]. I am fast in passing being in midfield and slower and waiting for oppening toward the 18 yards.

Make sure that you are assigning the right players on the right place. Example I always have Adriano as a mid striker [While using the above mentioned 3-4-3] to get all headers. If you cross by tabbing O twice after releasing the D-pad. 95% ofthe crosses will be Adriano's.

The best three defnders I usually choose while playing Brazil are:

Lucio-----------Roco Junior----------Edmilson

----EDU----------Gilberto----

-----Ronaldinho----Reberto Carlos------

Ronaldo--------Adriano-----------Kaka---


Try using Kaka more for crossing.

Hope this will work. I am not sure if you got the message clear otherwise it works perfect with me.


Regards

 

[observer]

As I mentioned in one of the other threads. I rarely play against the "com". All my experience with human friendly matchs. Winning:Loss ratio is 5:1.

I only use 3-4-3 if I play with Brazil, France, Spain or Netherland's. I denfend using X all time during the match while opponent is on attack. Never release that till the goal keeper catchs the ball. My offensive style >> I usually wait for the opponent to approach the player with the ball to do the x passing [You should consider the player's response ability to exactly time your pass]. I am fast in passing being in midfield and slower and waiting for oppening toward the 18 yards.

Make sure that you are assigning the right players on the right place. Example I always have Adriano as a mid striker [While using the above mentioned 3-4-3] to get all headers. If you cross by tabbing O twice after releasing the D-pad. 95% ofthe crosses will be Adriano's.

The best three defnders I usually choose while playing Brazil are:

Lucio-----------Roco Junior----------Edmilson

----EDU----------Gilberto----

-----Ronaldinho----Reberto Carlos------

Ronaldo--------Adriano-----------Kaka---


Try using Kaka more for crossing.

Hope this will work. I am not sure if you got the message clear otherwise it works perfect with me.


Regards

I think if you played against any decent human player, you need to change your defensive style. If you keep on pressing x as your opponent have possession of the ball, he can easily avoid the pressure by passing the ball as your player approaches. This way your players will get out of play easily and you will have serious problem in defending especially you have only 3 defenders in your 3*4*3 formartion. I think in WE8, 3*4*3 formation is risky cause it doesn't cover the sides of the feild. Sides crosses and headers have been improved dramatcially in WE8 and will cause you a major threat. I may rely on 3*4*3 for sometime in the game, but generally I prefer my default formation to be more secured.
My 2 cents !