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Former FIFA addict finally plays PES3 and touches the face of God...

McSocker

Registered User
Mel Brennan said:
Until now.

I've played PES3, with the www.prorevolution.com superptach 1 installed.

There simply is nothing better. Period.

Not only that, but there is no comparison to the playing experience while playing PES3. None. Period.

Mel Brennan

Whoa man i tink it takes a man with lots of passion for the game to write this much stuffs... i recommend that maybe you should try to get all the previous versions of PES and Winning Eleven to see the evolution of Konami's brillance and compare it to the FIFA at that time... the results will be interesting......
I would compare FIFA has superb marketing skills....... just like McDonalds, selling all those junk, fatty, expensive not-so-delicious food, but still have people coming back for more......

i myself was also a victim of FIFA soccer(forgot which year... tink its 98 or 99) when FIFA was the hottest PC game in my country(Singapore... if you know..) and i tink everywhere.... but soon was it that i got sick of the ever-reliant dash, invincible 360 turn, superman goalkeepers who can cover the whole goalface area and save goal-destined shots but let in stupid goals, and of course the banana like crosses that seems like the ball would bend all the way back to the player who played it........

then i come across Jikkyo Winning Eleven(tink its WE4 or was it the one before it...) on the PS platform.... and i haven't touch a FIFA soccer game ever since...... even though the only thing i could make out from the Japanese commentary was the dramatically executed "SHOOOOOTOOOOO des", everything about the game blew me and my fren's mind and the rest is history..... Jikkyo Winning eleven J-League, WE Under 23 international, WE 5,
WE6, WE6 Final Evolution my latest was WE7 PES korea patch....

Weird that even though i don't understand japanese, i have been following the WE series and have never touch a PES version b4!!

Konami have constantly out-done itself with every new WE version and hope to get some more surprises when WE8 is released... i personally feels that konami should add slightly more curve to shots and maybe crosses, but not overdoing it like FIFA........
 

McSocker

Registered User
t1000v2.0 said:
Agree with you there on the crowd dynamics..it does need improvement. Real crowd chants are also needed.

Totally agree...... i got this patched version of WE6FE which i was particularly impressed with the "You Never Walk Alone" Chant by the crowd. It certainly made the game even more pleasant to play. Anybody knows any WE7 patch that has really good chants for most, if not all, the teams?
And hopefully Konami can do something about the licensing of the club teams and players so we do not need to go around finding patches...
 

Mel Brennan

Registered User
What's exciting is that the community continues to challenge both Konami AND EA and SIGames, and whoever else, to NEVER rest replete in their accomplishments (or "accomplishments," if we're talking about EA, lol), and continue to give us the authenticity we deserve.
 

SilvesterWong

Registered User
Good post. Just a little too long though. My eyes are kinda hurt. j/k.

I started playing Football on computer when I first got my FIFA95, I think. It's a brilliant game and still is, IMO. I remember I used to play it on the keyboard. There are not many buttons and all the dribblings are done by using the cursor controls. Well, although it kinda undermines the football superstars special dribbling skills, it's understandable because it was in the mid-90s. I used to use Brazil and I can hammer every COM team 10-0 in a 6min game. The top six scorers of the league are all from my team: Romario, Bebeto (I really want WE series to get him into the Classics or to the pool of 2nd-Classics players), Dunga, Rai, and whoever, I can't remember. I admit that I enjoy the game very much.

Then time flies and I started playing FIFA WC98 and I just loved it very much. The gameplay is great. The graphics are great. And we can do spin moves using superstar players. The most important thing is that it supports modem such that I can play games with unknown ppl in my city. I remember I was always using AC Milan because Weah was there. He's god-like. I remember there's a Toronto Modem League or something like that and my team AC Milan was on the top. Weah scores on avg. a hat-trick every game.

Now moving to FIFA2000 and I started to dislike FIFA cos it's the most arcady of all. All I can do every game is to memorize a set of controls (keep tabbing on the pass button with cursor directions) until the ball ends up on Bierhoff's leg. Then I would press Ctrl-some button (I forgot) to do a spin moves to get past the last defender or the goalkeeper and then scored like there's no tmr. The game is too damn fast even at the slowest speed. Meanwhile I was playing the Konami football series at my friend's place since the age of Super Nintendo. I like it alot. But well, since I didn't have a console and FIFA gave me joy, I stuck with FIFA until 2000.

After this, I never play FIFA again as I was damn busy on the university studies. Occassionally, I still played PS2's WE series at my mate's place. Last summer, I finally graduated from the 5-year program and luckily I found a job. Guess what the first thing I did? I bought a PS2 console and a mod chip. And now I'm 24 but I'm still like a kid who plays about an hour of WE after work everyday. My sister asked me, "bro, u've been playing this boring game for almost 9 months...what's the problem with u?" Well I dunno what's wrong with me. You addicts like me figure it out.
 

SilvesterWong

Registered User
McSocker said:
Anybody knows any WE7 patch that has really good chants for most, if not all, the teams?
I think the REDUX 2.0 patch for WE7:IJ is an excellent one. I don't quite know the other teams as I only use Holland. From the chants, I can feel the Orange.
 

SilvesterWong

Registered User
mutu said:
Lovely post another successfull conversion - makes me feel good inside
Havnt seen a post of that length in these forums for some time, and all relevant too :)

oh
AND
*sniff* - crying
you, you - you called it ..... football! :D

(oh and edit: pes4 will feature online play - hopefully not taking anything away from the single player / multiplayer with mates experience)
Too bad, Konami's WE7 game is called Winning Eleven Soccer not Winning Eleven Football....
 

hedache

Registered User
you can not call that game football in the US. You'd probably sell tons a lot more copies at first, but then you'd have 99% of those purchasers returning their copies and keeping your customer service busy and take your business down.
 

hedache

Registered User
Very nice post by Mel. A lot of intellectual and intelligent words spoken there. I have been a soccermaniac (originally footballmaniac till I moved to US) for years including the gaming part. Originally started with the pong soccer, I don’t remember what it was originally called, soccer version of pong, the simplest soccer game ever, stick man moving and kicking the ball that never stops. Then advanced to playin Commodore64 soccer games at friend’s houses, and also on my own spectrum-sinclair system finally after a long time, this is like back in early 80s. Then came the PCs. My first soccer game on PC was Manchester United soccer or something like that where you could only play as Man Utd which made me a Man Utd supporter as well after playing for hours, you can’t help it you know. Then there were other soccer games including Goal! Being one of my favorites.

But then everything changed, still no competition to its uniqueness in our high high technology today, sensible world of soccer changed my soccer gaming, and life too, considering I was literally playing the game at least 4-5 hours everyday, no sleep but play SWOS all night. I spent weeks worth of my life on that game, sadly, but it was fun.

Back in 95 I believe, I tried a demo of FIFA, felt like a joke, never picked it up. Around 2000, being a big fan of playing against friends instead of AI, I believe it was FIFA 2000 that let you play friends through modem connection. That’s when I started playing FIFA, not very enjoyable arcade play, but no alternatives to what it came like. Then meeting the console world, started playing FIFA series starting with 2001 on PS2. Through 2004. Till I played WE6, there was no better option to FIFA, so I felt like sticking with it, constantly complaining that how they can ignore including simple and basic features that would make FIFA 10x better and not really a big deal to implement features. WE6 was the game that felt closest to SWOS, something I’m still hungry of, but limited in some aspects of the game. After WE6, FIFA is no fun to play. But as I mentioned before, playing against real people excites me, which is the only reason I purchased FIFA 2004, not that I was expecting a revolutionary change in the game play, and I don’t expect it anytime soon.

On that matter, EA makes sense with the way they choose, regardless of us here on these forums, I can understand how many gamers out there would prefer a game that’s simpler to play (FIFA definitely offers that), especially in US where soccer is not known as much, who wants to deal with tactics and strategy as deep as WE series have, just pick a formation, tell them to be attacking or neutral, and let the AI take care of the rest. Just the press of couple buttons and nice things happen, that’s what majority wants to experience here in the US as far as I can see. So I don’t blame EA for their decisions, hey they even make me somehow pay 50$ for that game every year, even after having WE6 and loving it. It’s our choice to buy it, and some of us do. Another thing to mention, EA seems to be adding nice features in one version, and then taking out some neat features but adding something very nice next version, and then the very next one, they add something that they took out earlier and take out something from the previous one, and that drives me crazy but that’s how they make it look like there’s something new in the new version. Simple example, being able to play in a season with multiple players taking different teams, this has been in and out constantly, as well as the manual direction of passing, and other little things.

I got WE7 the day it was released in US, unfortunately way later than PES, price of being in US, I love it, I would never ever trade it with FIFA, but I still play FIFA meanwhile due to its online feature. Hopefully WE8 will be the point where I don’t have to spend any money on EA anymore. Each game is offering their goods, and at this point I stick with both due to the fact that FIFA has online play, even running an online league since the day it was out, it’s our 3rd season already. And I am hoping that the league will become WE8 as soon as it comes out and with the online play feature.

Bottom line, I think both games are targeting different crowds including a little portion where they meet, like myself, and it’s kinda pointless to argue about FIFA while we are enjoying WE/PES (I don’t really know if there’s a major difference between these two) series so much. And if we are still questioning EA for things that they don’t do but we want, that’s kind of a admiration on FIFA isn’t it? We like WE, but we still believe there are beautiful things that EA potential can bring into the soccer gaming, and that’s why we’re not comfortable with the current situation. But will it ever be?
 

HTFC.

Registered User
I don't mean to rub it in but I feel so sorry for you because it took you so long to find this game.
The only version of FIFA I have ever bought was the original version (the best version if you ask me) on the Megadrive before it even got shortened down to FIFA 95 or whatever and was just FIFA International Soccer. But at the same time I played Sensible Soccer which was of course Konami's alternative.
I remember being 11 and arguing about Sensible Soccer having better gameplay and FIFA having better graphics and then the updates for both games were aproaching and I had to decide which one I was going to get.
I decided that I would play Sensible Soccer as it was just more fun. Forget which is better or whatever but Konami have always given me more fun than EA.
I loved changing the names, actually having to dribble as in letting the ball hit your feet (PES works the same if it is a more advanced method now), each team having 3 star players and the best part was winning against the top european teams in a time when Blackburn was losing to teams like Helsingborg and Trelleborg (if you said "helsingborg, who?" exactly).

Konami put the spirit of football into Sensible Soccer but its not until they made PES that they made the only Football simulation outthere.

I can't wait for PES 4 and if its got online play I will buy it twice (not really but if someone did I wouldn't say it was money wasted).
 

DaNtE

Registered User
Awesome post Mel.
Just one thing I wanted to say.
Did anybody downloaded the demo of Uefa 2004 by EA?
They have Barthez still kicking the ball with the RIGHT FOOT FOR CHRIST'S SAKE!!!!!!!!!!!
Period....

DaNtE
 

jamez

Calcio Agriculturus
Ive only read this thread for the first time today and I must agree that Mel's post is one of the most intelligent and well-written i have ever seen on this forum. In fact it has started probably one of the best threads for a long time. Nice to hear from an experienced football gamer and fan who clearly knows what he is talking about. Better than the usual inane discussion such as 'Which is the best left-footed player in PES3' and 'Will Beckhams new haircut be in PES4'. Ok so you know what im getting at.

On the subject of FIFA/EA Sports and its licenses, does it have some kind of exclusive deal so that no other football game can obtain anywhere near as many licenses? Also, anyone know roughly how much FIFA's licenses would cost Konami? Are they just being tight?

p.s. someone said earlier on that pro evo 3 was never advertised on TV. Well it was - as a sponsor for Fash FC on Bravo. So there.
 

proevo_15021975

Registered User
wow what a read i think you explained why we all buy pro evo and not fifa.i think we all bought a fifa game first but wished and desired something better and konami answered our prayers and came along with iss series which personally hooked me and probably the most of the poeple on this site.people who still buy the fifa series are just looking at the glitz of having a big name on the front (davids,giggs,carlos) it must be great if its endorsed by these famous footballers but in reality it is very poor compared to our great pro evo.thanks again for the read mel cheers.
 

Kewell[AUS]

Registered User
i was another fifa fan, the last version i owned was FIFA 2000

one day i just got sick of it, i was playing matches on the hardest difficulty at that stage and was able to predict when a defender would slide or stick a foot in (in that game they had 2 main trick buttons one for each type of tackle that if timed well, which wasn't hard you, could literally walk through a whole team) and then would score on every shot.

Thankfully, i found a new challenge with pes2 and now pes3... the times since then i've played the new versions of FIFA at mates places etc its still easy to win matches with huge scores and margins so as you said the gameplay really hasn't changed - and i can't really put my finger on it, but after playing pes, FIFA just feels scripted and in slow motion or somthing - basically an artificial feel compared to the natural flow of pes

Even though there is a greater feeling of scripting in pes3 than pes2 - its very subtle and can't even be compared to that of FIFA.
 

roach

Registered User
Kewell[AUS] said:
FIFA just feels...in slow motion or somthing

Signed. My brother has FIFA 2004 at his place and it just seems like everything goes at half speed.
 

jamez

Calcio Agriculturus
Im sure EA use the same game engine for NHL and FIFA, as it feels like the players are skating on the pitch.
 
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