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Gameplay Speed, what do you think?

valencia5

Registered User
So I've always played on default speed 0...currently superstar/manual...

But what do you guys think is more lifelike? I read someone used -1 speed and thought it was legit. I tried it but can't tell, exactly which looks more like real life.
I wouldn't want to make the game any easier either...but I have noticed although the action is nice at Superstar difficulty, and quite lifelike, it's like full throttle for 100% of the time...which is not lifelike....
It's representative of the busiest, most action filled points of a real life match, though it lasts for the full 90+ minutes.

I'd appreciate any thoughts/insight on this...
 

rbcfc1

Registered User
I personally think -1 on Superstar is the perfect balance, as you say sometimes the games feel a bit frantic and 100 miles an hour from start to finish, -1 speed slows the game down enough to make it less of a blur but still keeps the games moving at a nice realistic pace.
 

Muzak0ne

Registered User
Yeah i just keep it at the default speed, we have enough to be concerned about without changing the gameplay speed, that's Konami's job to worry about

Changing the gameplay speed = Hipsters

lol
 

DunkLFC

Registered User
As I think was hinted at above, the 10 minute games we play represent the match highlights. If we forced more walking play into the game, I think it would make it too boring.

If the game is merely slowed using the current game speed adjusters, it doesn't affect anything except the thinking time we have.

I can see two ways to reduce the amount of sprinting in the game :-
1) Apply cool-downs for the players, where they can only sprint for a given amount of time in one go, with a sprint bar rising to full. And once you stop sprinting, the bar slowly reduces, meaning you can sprint again before it drops completely but only for a shorter time than usual. The player stamina rating and usual in-game fatigue can affect how long this bar can be and how slowly your player recovers.

2) Reduce the overall stamina of players in the game, making us have to properly regulate how often we set a player to sprint. However, I can guarantee that you will get people complaining that their players get tired too quickly. I know this, because people already make this complaint. LOL

I do point 2 above already, to try and keep some players fresh for the last few minutes.
 

valencia5

Registered User
As I think was hinted at above, the 10 minute games we play represent the match highlights. If we forced more walking play into the game, I think it would make it too boring.

If the game is merely slowed using the current game speed adjusters, it doesn't affect anything except the thinking time we have.

I can see two ways to reduce the amount of sprinting in the game :-
1) Apply cool-downs for the players, where they can only sprint for a given amount of time in one go, with a sprint bar rising to full. And once you stop sprinting, the bar slowly reduces, meaning you can sprint again before it drops completely but only for a shorter time than usual. The player stamina rating and usual in-game fatigue can affect how long this bar can be and how slowly your player recovers.

2) Reduce the overall stamina of players in the game, making us have to properly regulate how often we set a player to sprint. However, I can guarantee that you will get people complaining that their players get tired too quickly. I know this, because people already make this complaint. LOL

I do point 2 above already, to try and keep some players fresh for the last few minutes.

How do you apply cooldowns? Is there an option in game? If there isn't...might be hard to pull off, since the CPU AI will not abide by those same rules, you'll be forced to sprint or pass if they charge you which they do very frequently, regardless. If there's an in game option that would be nice!

Secondly, I see both sides to your #2 idea....players do get tired too quickly, but they don't get exhausted fast enough.

In game it's more of a gradual consistent decline from 100% stamina, with the decline from 100% to 80%, being at the same speed as 20% to 0%. I wish it was more like real life. Where players operate at full or at least near optimal capacity for a long sustained period of time, until they do start to tire, but once they do start to tire, their energy, and performance start to degrade very rapidly.

Think about how the body naturally works. I mean athlete's are probably not even at their optimum, until 10-15 minutes after they start working their bodies. They are probably faster, looser, stronger, more focused, once their biological systems kick into full gear, it probably takes that long for the Anaerobic system to start kicking in after the Aerobic.

And then you're good for a while until you start to tire, but when you start to tire, things go downhill fast, exponentially faster. Think of an average person bench pressing their body weight 10 times, they probably get the first 7 up fine, their muscles start to feel tired around 8 but they lift it up fine, number 9 comes up very slowly, shakily...and 10 ends up being a failed attempt, or assistance needed.
 

Kazuki_Ito

Registered User
I think the game would be more realistic if you could hire and fire club chefs. Then if you hired like a 1star chef he would cook all day breakfasts and burgers and chips and stuff (sometimes ice cream and jelly) then you could have a cholesterol stat for your players and if you had this one star greasy Joe chef then their cholesterol stat would increase and they would tire more quickly. Think about how if your own cholesterol is high you are more at risk of a heart attack?

The other end would be a 5 star chef like Michel Roux who would cook veggies and rice and fish and stuff and your players cholesterol stat would come right down and they could run about like a greyhound chasing rabbits.
 

DunkLFC

Registered User
I think the game would be more realistic if you could hire and fire club chefs. Then if you hired like a 1star chef he would cook all day breakfasts and burgers and chips and stuff (sometimes ice cream and jelly) then you could have a cholesterol stat for your players and if you had this one star greasy Joe chef then their cholesterol stat would increase and they would tire more quickly. Think about how if your own cholesterol is high you are more at risk of a heart attack?

The other end would be a 5 star chef like Michel Roux who would cook veggies and rice and fish and stuff and your players cholesterol stat would come right down and they could run about like a greyhound chasing rabbits.

Can we hire Eileen Drewery as well to increase individual motivation for the non-cynical players, but doing so will have an adverse affect on Team Chemistry. With press releases will also start to ask questions about the manager's sanity.

Note : Eileen was the faith healer that Glenn Hoddle got in when he was England manager.
 

valencia5

Registered User
I think the game would be more realistic if you could hire and fire club chefs. Then if you hired like a 1star chef he would cook all day breakfasts and burgers and chips and stuff (sometimes ice cream and jelly) then you could have a cholesterol stat for your players and if you had this one star greasy Joe chef then their cholesterol stat would increase and they would tire more quickly. Think about how if your own cholesterol is high you are more at risk of a heart attack?

The other end would be a 5 star chef like Michel Roux who would cook veggies and rice and fish and stuff and your players cholesterol stat would come right down and they could run about like a greyhound chasing rabbits.

Absolutely typical response to someone with severe self esteem issues, probably for valid reasons. I think we've all seen how far your intelligence goes, as short as your penis for sure lol. Blame it on the nuclear reactor, it might pass...

Seeing as you have nothing even remotely intelligent to say, some might call you a troll, I call it a cry for attention, on the internet of all places...truly pathetic, and sad really.

In any case, was responding to points Dunk made...and the games tag line is. "Control Reality" Since you probably can't make the connection, it's a Football Simulation.

I would give you the benefit of the doubt, saying it may be a language barrier, but your English seems fine, so it's definitely an intelligence thing...plain to see, as we've seen before.
 

valencia5

Registered User
Can we hire Eileen Drewery as well to increase individual motivation for the non-cynical players, but doing so will have an adverse affect on Team Chemistry. With press releases will also start to ask questions about the manager's sanity.

Note : Eileen was the faith healer that Glenn Hoddle got in when he was England manager.

The US needs some sort of healer right now, for real. They did just fire Jurgen Klinnsman...and have lost our last two WC qualifiers..

That reminds me of the fight Connor McGregor and the crazy movement/zen/yoga coach that all the other fighters mocked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLyN7y1phQE
 

DunkLFC

Registered User
The US needs some sort of healer right now, for real. They did just fire Jurgen Klinnsman...and have lost our last two WC qualifiers..

That reminds me of the fight Connor McGregor and the crazy movement/zen/yoga coach that all the other fighters mocked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLyN7y1phQE

I thought the healer might be to heal the wounds that will be inflicted over the next 4 years of Trump. Very nice of him to tell the Conservative UK government to appoint the leader of an opposition party as their ambassador to the USA. What planet is this guy on? :laugh:

This is the same as tweeting Trump to employ Hillary as his Health Secretary. What a buffoon.
 

valencia5

Registered User
I thought the healer might be to heal the wounds that will be inflicted over the next 4 years of Trump. Very nice of him to tell the Conservative UK government to appoint the leader of an opposition party as their ambassador to the USA. What planet is this guy on? :laugh:

This is the same as tweeting Trump to employ Hillary as his Health Secretary. What a buffoon.

Though politics, and religion of course, are things I try not to venture into discussion about outside of my family or very close friends. I definitely feel you. Our country, The US, definitely needs healing even now lol. And I've heard GB is in a similar situation, but I'm not that informed, so hoping for the best either way.....

Fascinated by GB though, so much great history and culture....as is with many nations, but their influence on Today's western civilization, brought about by the last 700 years or so, is truly profound...
 

Muzak0ne

Registered User
Though politics, and religion of course, are things I try not to venture into discussion about outside of my family or very close friends. I definitely feel you. Our country, The US, definitely needs healing even now lol. And I've heard GB is in a similar situation, but I'm not that informed, so hoping for the best either way.....

Fascinated by GB though, so much great history and culture....as is with many nations, but their influence on Today's western civilization, brought about by the last 700 years or so, is truly profound...

oh dear, see Ireland. :rolleyes:
 

oggmeista

Registered User
well for what it's worth I also play the game on -1 speed and find it feels more realistic, and prob just as importantly, enjoy the game more..
 

Kazuki_Ito

Registered User
Absolutely typical response to someone with severe self esteem issues, probably for valid reasons. I think we've all seen how far your intelligence goes, as short as your penis for sure lol. Blame it on the nuclear reactor, it might pass...

Seeing as you have nothing even remotely intelligent to say, some might call you a troll, I call it a cry for attention, on the internet of all places...truly pathetic, and sad really.

In any case, was responding to points Dunk made...and the games tag line is. "Control Reality" Since you probably can't make the connection, it's a Football Simulation.

I would give you the benefit of the doubt, saying it may be a language barrier, but your English seems fine, so it's definitely an intelligence thing...plain to see, as we've seen before.

You try living next to a nuclear reactor :realmad:
 
Absolutely typical response to someone with severe self esteem issues, probably for valid reasons. I think we've all seen how far your intelligence goes, as short as your penis for sure lol. Blame it on the nuclear reactor, it might pass...

Seeing as you have nothing even remotely intelligent to say, some might call you a troll, I call it a cry for attention, on the internet of all places...truly pathetic, and sad really.

In any case, was responding to points Dunk made...and the games tag line is. "Control Reality" Since you probably can't make the connection, it's a Football Simulation.

I would give you the benefit of the doubt, saying it may be a language barrier, but your English seems fine, so it's definitely an intelligence thing...plain to see, as we've seen before.

These responses are brilliant!! I would love to respond to that stupid suggestion but I can't top yours.
 
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