I cannot believe I got roped into buy this POS game!

[chef423]

One word: GOALIES!

This will be the LAST time I buy a PES game....all the sites that gave this game a 9.0 or higher were all PAID.

The Customer Service for PES is atrocious as well!

BuhBYE!

chef

 

[Parkinfed]

:limp: Bye

 

[matthewjohn85]

it has got flaws but it's still an incredible game that will get better, i don't know what mode you play or what the goalies are like in other online modes, but my club goalies get considerably better when your TS hits the high 70's . give the game a chance.

 

[fatehasfans]

...but my club goalies get considerably better when your TS hits the high 70's . give the game a chance.

I'm playing MyClub and when the computer wants to score it does, and the same low shot over and over, keeper does the same thing every time. But I understand this problem, however it's not my main concern, my main concern is that when the computer wants to do something you are powerless to stop it and thus all the strategy, team construction, ideas, skill and intelligence go clean out the window.

I find the same patterns (i.e scripts) occurring over and over, particularly in defence. Getting goal-side of attackers is just impossible when the computer decides it wants to score - but this has been a problem within the game for a long long time and it also undermines your claim that the game will get better. For me, these scripts ensure the game remains fundamentally flawed. Great to look at and play in parts but when the scripts kick in the game just becomes shocking because it simply undermines every aspect of MyClub and beyond.

 

[rbcfc1]

I'm playing MyClub and when the computer wants to score it does, and the same low shot over and over, keeper does the same thing every time. But I understand this problem, however it's not my main concern, my main concern is that when the computer wants to do something you are powerless to stop it and thus all the strategy, team construction, ideas, skill and intelligence go clean out the window.

I read one of your earlier rants about the "scripting" and i agreed with the defence side of things the computer scoring if they want etc... but recently after playing a bit more and learning how to defend a bit better i have now started conceding less goals and the "scripting" has gone away it's a miracle.

 

[matthewjohn85]

I'm playing MyClub and when the computer wants to score it does, and the same low shot over and over, keeper does the same thing every time. But I understand this problem, however it's not my main concern, my main concern is that when the computer wants to do something you are powerless to stop it and thus all the strategy, team construction, ideas, skill and intelligence go clean out the window.

I read one of your earlier rants about the "scripting" and i agreed with the defence side of things the computer scoring if they want etc... but recently after playing a bit more and learning how to defend a bit better i have now started conceding less goals and the "scripting" has gone away it's a miracle.

yeah i have to agree , i've just started my ML on superstar and the goalies are quite even on both sides making great saves with the odd howler like it should be.

 

[Rat Monkey]

I read one of your earlier rants about the "scripting" and i agreed with the defence side of things the computer scoring if they want etc... but recently after playing a bit more and learning how to defend a bit better i have now started conceding less goals and the "scripting" has gone away it's a miracle.

The real miracle is that somebody on this site has recognised they were just being bad and got better at the game rather than every little single thing being scripting. By the way, the AI won't score when they want to. They WILL go nuts when they want to and thats down to the emotions in the game and make it very hard sometimes for you. Sometimes we just aren't good enough to hold them out and will get your positioning wrong, miss a tackle, unlucky defection or whatever. But they DO NOT score at will, as 9 times out of 10 you can do something about it.

 

[fatehasfans]

I'm playing MyClub and when the computer wants to score it does, and the same low shot over and over, keeper does the same thing every time. But I understand this problem, however it's not my main concern, my main concern is that when the computer wants to do something you are powerless to stop it and thus all the strategy, team construction, ideas, skill and intelligence go clean out the window.

I read one of your earlier rants about the "scripting" and i agreed with the defence side of things the computer scoring if they want etc... but recently after playing a bit more and learning how to defend a bit better i have now started conceding less goals and the "scripting" has gone away it's a miracle.

I can play a MyClub game online and win 9-0 but it doesn't mean I've learnt how to defend against AI/scripts. It just means I got pretty much a full game without any scripting.

Do a little experiment for me:

Go play a few games online come back here and explain to me how the opposition scored. Explain how you conceded because I'd be willing to bet it had something to do with a 'moment of madness'.
...
After that go and make up some defensive strategies to 'counter' these 'moments of madness' - you seemed to have figured out how to defend better (although how do you create a defensive strategy for your players running in mud or performing in a highly irrational manner i.e. momentarily running away from the ball, tackles or cursor momentarily not working?) and come back to me with your results.

I would put money that you conceded your next batch of goals via 'moments of madness' and that your strategies did squat all.
Secondly, when playing keep an eye on your shots and count how many times you hit the bar in competitive play (i.e. online or offline Vs Human player), again I'm betting that most of your shots (unless of course you deliberately hold Back) will have that soft-looped effect (which is a trait of how scripting moderates an outcome) and most of your shot outcomes will be near misses or off the crossbar/post (if I had a dollar for every crossbar I hit online!). I cannot predict the score-line but I would say that once one of you scores the other will be handed a few chances sooner after and there is a high possibility of a draw or a late goal.

Come back with your honest results. I look forward to it!

 

[optimistic]

Hi gamers

When playing offline, on Super star LV, if you play against top teams like Bayern, Baca, R madrid, the scripting is very blatant, I changed team instruction tactics, formation etc.. to better my defence,but that DOES NOT work! If CPU wants to score a goal, it will... and there is nothing you can do to stop it. There are plenty talks and discussions in last year's thread about scripting, so I dont want to spend all day to talk about it, because the scripting is out there in PES series for years, its a fact.

If you want to get a good example of scripting and some real challenge for PES 2016, on Super star LV, use a lesser team (DF rating 68-78) to play an away game with Bayern Munchen, form arrow all red up, and trust me, Bayern will give you hell. If you still think PES 2016 is easy, and beat Bayern 0:3, your playing of the PES 2016 must be out of this world.

 

[SportGameFan]

One word: GOALIES!

Here's another: REFEREES!

That's why I sold my game: appalling refereeing and goalkeeping. Even in one-off (exhibition) matches the goalkeepers ('Top Level') were absolutely abysmal at times.

As for 'Team Chemistry', I think that's unrealistic because you could have a really good 'keeper and he plays like absolute crap at first?? It's like a bloody RPG! Not just that, the CPU goalkeeper is rubbish as well- I found it too easy to score on 'manual' and 'advanced.'

I've read quite a few postings about the goalkeeping (as well as playing for myself) to determine that Konami need to resolve the issue. They don't have much of an incentive to if people make allowances for fundamentally poor programming of certain aspects the AI. Why should they bother to sort out the refereeing if people 'draw' fouls in order to work around such nonsense?

Sometimes the CPU AI turns into an unstoppable scoring machine, and that got boring very quickly, there was no point in having a goalkeeper at times! I found the game too fast and arcade-like (even on '-2' speed), it's not like how it used to be.

Having to 'draw' a foul is akin to walking around a prison yard with sagging trousers.

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Disclaimer: The above is my personal opinion, don't 'kill the messenger!'

 

[jamestoni]

I'm playing MyClub and when the computer wants to score it does, and the same low shot over and over, keeper does the same thing every time. But I understand this problem, however it's not my main concern, my main concern is that when the computer wants to do something you are powerless to stop it and thus all the strategy, team construction, ideas, skill and intelligence go clean out the window.

I find the same patterns (i.e scripts) occurring over and over, particularly in defence. Getting goal-side of attackers is just impossible when the computer decides it wants to score - but this has been a problem within the game for a long long time and it also undermines your claim that the game will get better. For me, these scripts ensure the game remains fundamentally flawed. Great to look at and play in parts but when the scripts kick in the game just becomes shocking because it simply undermines every aspect of MyClub and beyond.

Just got relegated from div 5 because of scripting, lol, it was just laughable, the goals scored against me. My defenders just stopped heading the ball and slowed right up so he could score. I battered my two opponents only to get beat. I had 11 on target, only to score one. His keeper was amazing whilst my team stopped to let him-them win.

 

[matthewjohn85]

it's a game at the end of the day and life's too short to worry about scripting just play the game for what it is, i mean can you envision yourselves on a forum in 2030 moaning about the same thing when the ps6 is out and the game then will be like real life to play , are you going to claim that real physics and goals conceded against you is scripting every time? no you'll just man up and admit defeat.

and does anybody ever come on here and have sympathy for the person YOU beat 6-0 and his defenders don't move and can't pass out there own half?

 

[fatehasfans]

By the way, the AI won't score when they want to. They WILL go nuts when they want to and thats down to the emotions in the game and make it very hard sometimes for you. Sometimes we just aren't good enough to hold them out and will get your positioning wrong, miss a tackle, unlucky defection or whatever. But they DO NOT score at will, as 9 times out of 10 you can do something about it.

I'm sorry but you are wrong - I have completed 40+ games on MyClub and I can safely say, without a shadow of a doubt, that when the computer wants to score it can just brush you aside and do so and when it does this it is IMPOSSIBLE to stop, reactions and wrong positioning have nothing to do with it for you are simply prevented from getting into a position to stop the AI, that's the whole idea, doh! So every goal I have conceded (in MyClub) has usually involved this...

Ex One:
Just outside my box Ibrahimovic does some shitty swivel through three of my defenders the cursor change fails to pick up the right defender in time because 'oh look its stopped working for a second' (another momentary script) then suddenly he is one on one with my keeper or in an equally threatening spot and slot homes while I try to force my redundant defenders to get goal-side but of course they just get automatically sucked behind him!

Ex Two:
They make a pass to one of their midfielders (usually around the semi-circle) who in turn makes an incision-cutting pass down the middle of my defence (I've seen this a hundred times so I'm expecting it and am preparing to switch to defenders) but because the cursor change is momentarily ineffective I cannot prevent my two defenders from parting like the red sea and momentarily allowing Neymar or some other A-lister to receive the ball right in front of my keeper, just as my defenders are closing (funny enough) he cooly slots home another assured low drive to the side of the keeper.

Ohh but wait I didn't activate any defensive measures, so lets add them into those scenarios

First scenario: Drag all players back and/or change to a defensively compact formations ---------- doesn't matter, the more defenders present the more defenders Ibrahimovic wriggles through, regardless of how many defenders I throw at the situation it doesn't matter he simply emerges out the other end at the same one on one location. 1-0.

Second scenario: I can rush all players forward to prevent the pass or I can activate offside trap ---------- neither work computer just implements the same move it was going to anyway. 2-0.

When I've time I'll save and upload one of the above scenarios and I can hopefully highlight said problems but the fact you are convinced that its all to do with player skill and/or positioning (or lack of) and nothing more makes doing that simply to try and convince you seem rather pointless considering it would seem your mind is firmly made up on the matter. So I guess I could ask (not to get into a discussion with you) why you are even here? If there is nothing wrong with the game in your eyes then why are you here and not off enjoying it? If I felt the way you did about the game there wouldn't be one post on this forum from me. Sadly that's not the case but I can of course try and address my woes.

 

[fatehasfans]

it's a game at the end of the day and life's too short to worry about scripting just play the game for what it is, i mean can you envision yourselves on a forum in 2030 moaning about the same thing when the ps6 is out and the game then will be like real life to play , are you going to claim that real physics and goals conceded against you is scripting every time? no you'll just man up and admit defeat.

I address the problem in the hope it in turn gets addressed. Isn't that the whole idea of this forum and indeed forums in general i.e. to help create/increase visibility on certain aspects/problems?

I sincerely hope I'm not here complaining about this in 2030 but the fact I'm here (when I started playing PES in 1995!) only serves to highlight my loyalty of the game and the many years of enjoyment it brought and my concern for the direction the programming is headed.

 

[Rat Monkey]

I didn't want to get involved in this or you either as I find arguing with you tedious because you constantly see want you want to see in what I say and then I have to repeat myself over and over again and again. I OBVIOUSLY have things I have a problem with. I've said them in threads but you conveniently ignore anything I say and substitute your own pathetic version of things being your only self serving and want to detract from what other people say opposed to you in order to reinforce your own arguments. Shooting, overly assisted controls, poor goalkeeping I have a problem with off the top of my head!

reactions and wrong positioning have nothing to do with it for you are simply prevented from getting into a position to stop, that's the whole idea, doh!

I said for this specifically sometimes that weget positioning wrong. Your talking ALL THE TIME. See the difference? No of course you don't you'd rather see what you want to see. I've played over 70 games offline and have not come across half the crap you talk about. I've played about 40 games online, and while the lag creates alot of problems, it again nowhere all the problems you make out. Yes, the AI goes nuts. I have a noticed twice from 2 seasons of superstar last season that the game slow my players down at the same point for a few matches during the season.

For the love of God, DO NOT post any videos about this to me. You will prove nothing to me as I know what my experience is. As for why I'm doing here, I can pick and choose where I am on this forum. Your no one to tell when and where I give my opinion.

If anyone disagrees with you you throw toys out of the pram like a complete child.

EDIT: Actually online lag is another massive problem I have!

 

[rbcfc1]

The real miracle is that somebody on this site has recognised they were just being bad and got better at the game rather than every little single thing being scripting. By the way, the AI won't score when they want to. They WILL go nuts when they want to and thats down to the emotions in the game and make it very hard sometimes for you. Sometimes we just aren't good enough to hold them out and will get your positioning wrong, miss a tackle, unlucky defection or whatever. But they DO NOT score at will, as 9 times out of 10 you can do something about it.

Agree with this part about about the AI going nuts and really putting pressure on you trying to force a goal, it's actually a fun part of the game trying to withstand that pressure and hold onto your result sometimes i do and sometimes i don't. I think sometimes AI will score a goal that you just can't defend against which is more realistic if anything.

 

[rbcfc1]

yeah i have to agree , i've just started my ML on superstar and the goalies are quite even on both sides making great saves with the odd howler like it should be.

Some of the saves the keepers make on superstar are just utterly brilliant at times lol

 

[Rat Monkey]

Agree with this part about about the AI going nuts and really putting pressure on you trying to force a goal, it's actually a fun part of the game trying to withstand that pressure and hold onto your result sometimes i do and sometimes i don't. I think sometimes AI will score a goal that you just can't defend against which is more realistic if anything.

How often though does the AI score a goal you can't do anything about. Thats the real issue. I mean literally when you feel, that was ridiculous I could nothing about it. It happens but very rare in my experience, and nowhere enough to blame scripting all the time. I use Arsenal all the time though in offline seasons. Maybe using a crap team this becomes more common. The other times is when I've quite simply been shit at defending in the situations, which is the vast majority of times I lose goals.

 

[IronCity]

How often though does the AI score a goal you can't do anything about. Thats the real issue. I mean literally when you feel, that was ridiculous I could nothing about it. It happens but very rare in my experience, and nowhere enough to blame scripting all the time. I use Arsenal all the time though in offline seasons. Maybe using a crap team this becomes more common. The other times is when I've quite simply been shit at defending in the situations, which is the vast majority of times I lose goals.

i noticed it disappear in pes2015 when i used a team like manchester city. for that matter cpu defending disappeared entirely when using City. CPU defenders would not even try to tackle on the way to goal. Sort of reverse scripting. But I also saw unstoppable goals from the cpu opponent all the time using a team like Palace or Stoke. this was pes2015 but i wouldnt' doubt it carried over here.

 

[rbcfc1]

How often though does the AI score a goal you can't do anything about. Thats the real issue. I mean literally when you feel, that was ridiculous I could nothing about it. It happens but very rare in my experience, and nowhere enough to blame scripting all the time. I use Arsenal all the time though in offline seasons. Maybe using a crap team this becomes more common. The other times is when I've quite simply been shit at defending in the situations, which is the vast majority of times I lose goals.

At first i thought maybe scripting played a part but i simply couldn't defend properly and now i defend far far better than i did when the game first came out. Nine times out of Ten if i lose a goal it will be me doing something stupid and the AI punishes me for it as it should be i think. Obsessing about scripting is affecting people's ability to play the game i feel.