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Improvements For PES4

digiviceking

Registered User
new balls
celebration animations where the player puts his jersey over his head or he takes off his jersey
more teams, ard 138
newer dribbling techniques
diving
accidentally passing the ball to the ref
the ref accidentally blocking ur shots
no handballs
real nutmegs trick buttons
the flip flap trick
more animations on the keeper screaming at the players when the opponent gets to attempt a shot
manager walking up and down the line
 

L . F . C

Registered User
digiviceking said:
new balls
celebration animations where the player puts his jersey over his head or he takes off his jersey
more teams, ard 138
newer dribbling techniques
diving
accidentally passing the ball to the ref
the ref accidentally blocking ur shots
no handballs
real nutmegs trick buttons
the flip flap trick
more animations on the keeper screaming at the players when the opponent gets to attempt a shot
manager walking up and down the line

Here is your list diviviceking, and if i agree with them or not:

new balls - Yes

celebration animations where the player puts his jersey over his head or he takes off his jersey - Yes

more teams, ard 138 - Yes

newer dribbling techniques - Yes, but for certain players only

diving - No it will ruin the game

accidentally passing the ball to the ref - Yes, but he shold et it through his legs or summat or lift his foot

the ref accidentally blocking ur shots - Yes, but not too often as it will get very frustrating

no handballs - yes

real nutmegs trick buttons - yes

the flip flap trick - Yes for certain players only

more animations on the keeper screaming at the players when the opponent gets to attempt a shot - yes, but we dont really see this.

manager walking up and down the line - Yes

Here are some ive added:
1. Fans actually make noises when you hit the bar or score or miss narrowly

2.You are able to select which ball to use just befre you start a match.When the ball goes out or a player gets injured, some of the players take a drink.

3.More licenses

4.Better badge/kit editor
 

mutu

Betting Guru
If players take off their tops now they get booked, so it would be mighty gay getting players booked for something you had no control over eh ;)
 

Psychobadger

Registered User
The long range shooting needs to be more realistic (esp on ps2). One in about a thousand 30 yard shots goes on target (towards the top corner, I mean, not bouncing along the floor for the goalie to easily stop), and this is hardly like the Premiership. Jay-jay Okocha didn't score any of his long-shots last year, but loads of them needed a wicked save to stop them. Of course I don't want it to go too far, and become fifa (what a load of toss), but at the moment the small probability of scoring from long range means I hardly ever bother.

The gameplay is by far the most needed improvement. If they brought out PES 3 with a load more options, which everyone seems to be debating, i'd be well pissed off.

Everything could, and should, be improved a bit - they've had a year.

The sprint dribble shouldn't go forward the same distance every time, it looks unreal. While it would be annoying if you were sprinting towards the keeper and the ball went miles ahead of you, that's the way it is in real life.

There needs to be a better way of tackling conservatively (x-tackle), rather than just holding X and hoping the computer does it for you. X should be pressure, and another button should activate putiing your foot in.

Also, I'd like to see some heinous Ashley Cole double dropkick tackles. Just every now and again, for the really aggressive players. If you could hold a shoulder button plus slide tackle for a more aggressive foul that'd be good. You could really try to injure Ronaldo. Again.

I get well annoyed when I've lofted a ball behind their defence, break the offside trap, and mistime pressing square, so the striker gayly nods it at their keeper. There needs to be a way of doing a really powerful volley when I want to do it.

A random stepover generator for Christiano Ronaldo? Hold R2 and L1 and he just goes off on one at the other teams left back.

The L1 stepovers are crap at the moment, make them more effective with the better dribblers, and diving would be good, but only if it's really hard to do right, and defenders are rubbish at it.

Anyone else got any new gameplay ideas?
 

gabz

Registered User
a few suggestions
* hope they fix up the very f****n anoyin fact that u cant put your created players in club teams!
* and i think konami should wake up and realise the number 1 aspect of the game pes fans want improved....and thats the BLOODY OFFICIAL TEAM AND LEAUGE LICENSES!.. i mean iss and pes fans have been askin for this since ISS PRO on PS1! all those years ago, they know what the fans want, and sure maybe its hard to get the licenses but they have to keep in mind that on top of the list for most is official FiFa licensing for the clubs, players, leagues, kits and badges. i rest my case....
 

digiviceking

Registered User
stepovers which actually evade the opponents instead of going into them, like how it is now...
better long range shots, currently they seem to go waaay off target...
better fake cross feint where a player fakes a cross and then pushes the ball forward for the actual cross... currently it is like the fake shot feint, doesnt work when used as a fake cross feint
and y is the other foot accuracy only up to 8?? some players can really take a shot accurately with both feet so maybe the other foot accuracy limit should be raised to 9
 

Lami

#1 Stunner
the players response should b faster, coz now whenever i click watever the players takes a second to perform it, watever it is, whether passin, movin etc... it shud b faster like real life, move or pass the moment u like. and sometimes the players dont jump when u want em too, instead they just watch. the offence sometimes act stupid too, when i cross the retreat! they shud b running forward! and when i try lobbin in the ball behind defence lines my player stares at the ball when its floating over him instead of runnin to get it.. well pretty shit, all needs fixing, and the nets too, plz make sure theyre nets not friggin WOODEN nets.. they must move and shake.. oh well wud they read all this?
 

The Dodder

Registered User
Free Kicks – A variety of free kick options are needed badly. Two players to take the free kick. One could knock it on to the other to shoot, or possibly just run over the ball. Or even, one player passes it to the other, who stops it dead, and then the first player runs and takes the shot. Also, don’t make it like FIFA  in that you spin the ball before you take the shot and choose where you want the ball to go in the goal. No good!

Refs and Linesman – There definitely needs to be a visual referee at least not for just the fact that it will look good and actually be more realistic, but it would stop the delays in the game with it cutting to a different screen, the referee showing a card for example. It could just let the referee run over and just point, blow his whistle, and give a card. A couple of linesman would not go a miss. Just to run up and down the line, point his flag in the direction of the throw-in and lift his flag when the attackers are offside. They could also make some of the decisions that are near them and when the ref makes a decision, the linesman should start waving his flag.

Handball Rule Improvement – Who would handball it if they were through on goal? It just makes no sense. Especially when it clearly hits you in the ass! Also, any sort of ricochet, it will be handball, most of the time it will be against you. Also, with the fact that there are so many handballs given, how come there is such a lack of handballs given whilst in the penalty area. I think in total I’ve had one penalty given for me and one against me in 7 months and a lot of games.

Offside Rule – I think the offside rule presently on the game is very, very good. One problem though is that if the ball is crossed into the penalty area, if one player is offside, the free kick will be given, even if they are nowhere near the ball, this needs improving. Also, the computer should get you players onside more quickly, if we have no control of them, they should get onside because we will lose momentum of the attack. Lastly, there should be some leeway in that the offside decisions are always given, even if the call is a very, very close one. There should be the odd ‘missed decision’ or even slight advantage to the attacker, which is what the official regulations claim should happen.

Free Kick Rule – There are to many fouls given for perfectly timed challenges and the is a complete lack of consistency in that is the computer makes a rash challenge, they go unpunished and a lot of the time, not even a foul is given. If the computer got the same amount of fouls given against them as me, ok, or even they should punish strictly bad challenges.

Goalkeepers – On the last few Pro Evo games, there has been a problem with the goalkeeper releasing a throw quickly. They seem to stutter and are then forced to kick it. This is really frustrating and could be improved. There should also be the option to move along the goal line while a penalty is being taken. Also, when in fix mode, if you choose to play as the keeper, you can only move, it dives manually; there should be certain buttons you can press to make the keeper dive.


Throw-ins and Corners – I think corners and throw-ins should be free flowing in the game. I mean, sometimes when the ball goes out for a throw, some times the players pick up the ball. It should then walk up to the line automatically, and then let the player take the throw-in. There should also be the same sort of thing for a corner, instead of cutting from the game it should just carry on. For example, maybe a ball boy could pick up the ball, give it to the player, who then places the ball down (this would be done automatically obviously) and the player should then be able to take the corner.

Celebrations – I’ve heard rumours that there will be an option to edit celebrations. I’m not to sure whether this means to choose what player has which celebration or whether you can physically create the celebration, either way a great edition to the game. The general celebrations also could be improved, made more realistic, what players would actually do. In football, if a player scores, most of the team will surround him and hug him, but in the game, the scorer runs off celebrating and his team-mates stand behind him clapping! A few extra special celebrations could also be introduced, for example, running to the crowd, running to the team manager and there should be more personal celebrations, celebrations the players actually do. I’ve also heard the players can take their shirts off and I believe if this is true, would be fantastic.

Substitutions and Substitutes – I think that it would be a neat little addition if you could see the subs warming up on the line, stretching for example. It would also be good if when making the substitution, you could see the player, next to the fourth official who is holding a score board with the player’s number on. An option which could be turned on and off though.

Stoppage Time – I think that instead of just saying stoppage time, it should show, in the top corner of the screen, a clip of the fourth official holding up a scoreboard with the amount of added time.

Advantage Rule – I think that the advantage rule could be neatened up a little. There are some occasions where there is no advantage, but one is given, or where no advantage is given and one clearly should have been. Also, if the challenge was a bad one, and an advantage was given, the referee should go back and book the player who made the initial foul!

Additional Animations – I think that if a bad challenge does go in, then a few players should get involving in a bit of pushing and arguing, maybe surround the referee.
There should also be visual manager and staff seen in the dugouts, and if a bad challenge goes in, they jump off the bench and start shouting and pointing.
There should be a variety of injuries which leave the players rolling maybe holding their ankles, or stomach. And maybe get head injuries where they can continue play with a bandage wrapped around their head. I think blood should also be introduced to the game.
After winning cup finals the may be the odd pitch invasion.


Licenses – I don’t think I need to say much. Real team and player names, proper kits, sponsors and badges, and the pitch side ad boards. This is the only reason FIFA is talked about, the only reason the narrow minded people buy the game! Let’s fix it!

Off-The-Ball Play – I don’t mean like in FIFA, Pro Evo doesn’t need this, I mean the A.I. It needs to make better runs, down the wing for example. They won’t overlap you; the player is forced to run back behind them to play the ball through.

The Players – When taking shots, it should be possible to curl them. Like bend it from the corner of the box to the top corner. This would be amazing. It instead goes like an arrow, completely straight which is good in some cases, but not all.
A few extra skills would be nice as well. Maybe the nutmeg or a cruyff turn.
 

Lami

#1 Stunner
and btw sometimes when u wana put a pass thru to a great space the player u wana pass to just goes to the other shitty direction, thats dumb AI, and sometimes both strikers run in the same direction instead og creatin chances, that shud b changed
 

swerve

Registered User
I say improve or get rid of that "jostling" with players in possession of the ball and defenders. It only hurts the player and helps the computer. I would also like to be able to curl the ball during open play on crosses and shots. I think the game also needs a better heading and deflection system. Heading to teammates is quite poor and trying to clear is even worse. Deflections also always seem to either go to the computer or out of bounds for a cpu throw in, even if you are yards away from touch. Next, absolute free control of players. Sometimes players will either walk after the computer when the ball is in the air or even stumble for no reason, and in defence sometimes you are forced to take a bad angle with no chance of catching the attacker because the cpu alters your run. Next I say improve the team AI when playing in the fixed mode. They can be clean in on goal sometimes and not shoot. Fix the goalies from being so crap. And have promising players be able to improve from playing and training (in season mode) instead of being able to buy points (i.e.- work on the passing games in training get better at it). Fix, player frames as well, they are all a bit too stocky. Lastly, when you win a club or continental cup, show players going into the stands to collect their trophy and medal and have them do a lap.
 

Original?

istrator
Sorry if it's been mentioned... a player referee system might be nice, I'm sure we all complain about the referee's in PES3 so for tournaments a 3rd player can referee the game and stop the ludicrous decisions by the computer, we all know there will be a visible referee and this would be a useful feature.
 

Ryder Style

The Star Player
ok we all know gameplay and licences are important but this idea is the BEST by far i have heard, it would be fantastic and there is a real possiblilty of it for the future..

This idea was originally posted By: Padraig O Sullivan on the comments section of a poll, i have added alot to it with my thoughts

i personally find master league boring and monotonous however with this idea it would be incredible, no game in the world would match it, cos it would be so custom to each player.

In the master league there should be a lot more divisions say 6, and when you start master league you completely create your own team, you have to name them, create their kit, name their home ground, create their badge and when you first create your team, they play at a park pitch or something and little by little as you earn more money you can build bigger and bigger stands, roof.. whatever. you should start off with no players at all, and you must sign nobodies who are crap and you must do you best to slog them up the 6th division to promotion to the fifth where promotion brings in more money so you can gradually increase the quality of your squad. at the start because you players are really poor and you are in a crap league, and have a crap pitch you should have hardly any fans watching then as you go up the leagues, buy better players, and build stands the more popular your team becomes.
your team could generate money through shirt sales if it your team signs a good player, you get more money through that,
money for playing in the different leagues i.e £500 a season for division 6- £10 million for divs 1.
money from winning trophies etc
money from made up sponsors who eventually will pay you to have their sponsor on the advertising boards at your ground, or their sponsor on you shirt.. money from sponsors is more the bigger league you are in.
ticket sales more ppl at the ground more money for your club- you could set your own ticket prices. i.e £5 in div6 to encourage the fans to support the team, then later you can afford to charge £30 in div 1 cos your team are good and popular so ppl will pay more to watch.

i also think crowd attendance should have some effect on team morale, so it would encourage you to charge less for tickets so more ppl would support the team.

its kinda champ manager meets lma manager with a great twist of starting from the absolute beginning...

i just think that this would be mind blowing in a pes game, what about you guys

p.s just think how incredible it would be in the future with online play if you had online leagues where you use your created mater league team and your opponent got the chance to see your created stadium and you played them away and stuff
 

Ryder Style

The Star Player
yeah i agree in the future but surely if konami worked hard on it they could easily pull it off.
i think its a class idea
 

Lami

#1 Stunner
that idea is available in manager games like TCM and LMA. well i hope they do it in we/pes tho it wud b difficult
 

L . F . C

Registered User
original said:
Sorry if it's been mentioned... a player referee system might be nice, I'm sure we all complain about the referee's in PES3 so for tournaments a 3rd player can referee the game and stop the ludicrous decisions by the computer, we all know there will be a visible referee and this would be a useful feature.

Thats a reeli good idea, i really fancy that bein in the game, quality
 
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