ferdinand001
Registered User
Yeah Folks... i am in the edge of quit PES 2010, maybe i am going to try FIFA...i dont know...i am really confuss, because IMHO after playing 10 years PES, and 800 offline-600 online PES 2010 matches( with a 640 Rating),PES GAMEPLAY NEEDS:
1)A major overhaul... IMO the gameplay and the mechanics of the game are broken....because 5 basic things:
1a) Passing system: Its really difficult and random pass to the ball to the desired player, the throws balls (lofted and grounded) are mostly useless, even with Pirlo...thats why PES 2010 online becomes in a RUN, RUN, RUN game...like car racing...not football... with the fastest players ALL the time.:realmad:
1b) Reaction delay or Button Lag (Response Issues): It is like a broken glass with bubble gum...Because the engine of the game its not capable to deal with mo-cap or inverse kinematics. There is too many time between animations to do something in the pitch. Its really difficult play a fast minded football because you brain is 4 second ahead that the player reactions in the screen... For my, football its a hability-Fast thinking sport game... and as a simulator, in the botton line, PES dont deliver that anymore.hmy:
1c) Animations: The system is absolutely outdated...its almost a joke pay a full price product for a system thats is from 7 years... With instant response, the animations are second line, but with the lag dued to the animations system fail...it is almost stressing see the screen.:shocking:
1d) Referees: The rules of the beautifull game are the same for the last 100 years or more until PES 2010... Its true, that in the real flesh and bones referees, judgement have some kind of ramdomness..but there are consistency... a tackle from behind in the major box its a red car and penalty 85% of the times... but in PES 2010 its like 5%... Clearly, the probability function used in the PES code to determine the referees calls is broken because the hole collision system its broken... When we add the animation, lag, delay, random passing, referee and collision issues we have a game unplayable or at least not playable like football simulator or any good PES back from 2007.:crymore:
1e) Keepers: There are so random in their responses, so limited in their animations, so inconsistent in their parries... that has ruined the experience... mostly online...in one time of one single match you have Casillas taking shoots from every angle, from 6 yards, etc... in the next time you have the same Casillas doing NOTHING with a soft header... or sending the ball to the forwards or the net 50% of the times... its like a coin toss...come one!!!.... not even think in the consistency of smaller teams kepeers like Udinese, Atletico..even DIDA or Csech from Chelsea.:no:
Others:
-Player broken switch system
-Zonal deffence system with 3 man running against one crushing each other.
-Invisible walls
-Throws ins
-Free kicks and effect (swerve or curve)
2) ONLINE PLAYING:
PES ,objetively, is one the of the ugliest online experiences in current gen... the balance is more weighted in the TEAMS or footballers individuality, that in the player hability or capacity...
For example:
Its really possible for a good PES player against CPU or a BAD PES player beat Real Madrid using Benfica or even Wolves...in the 2007 back PESs almost 80% of the times you can win a game using every team against a bad player using the best team available...but from 2008 to 2010 the average has been reduced from 80% at 40% or least... Today, ONLINE, the best team win 75% of the times no matter what kind of player are behind...that dued to the LAG, the cheap goals, the kepeers and referees inconsistency and the Run game tipe.
For my, playing the CPU its not funny anymore...because its predictable offensively and deffensively...even today i can not see any trace of the famost TEAMVISION thing...there are no genetic altghorism behind PES or it does not work properly...that is a fact for me. I realy need a football game playable online, because online its my only option to play football games today.
In the end line, i think that KONAMI need a new head in front of PES, with new ideas, with new goals and open, really open to the community.
I really want a fixed PES 2011...but its really difficult see that comming..almost as difficult like beating a medium PES brazilian player using BRAZIL with CHILE with 2 second LAG in the PES 2010 five minutes tournaments...
Fifa its not my time of game...for me its like NCAA basketball in a green pitch, with every player-team doing the same in the same way with a plastic 1$ ball...but at least, reading the reviews, it works good online...
If any of you have tried FIFA10 online please give me some feedback about the experience...and for the hardcore fans like me...everyting has a end..even the love for the PES franchise and the fustration tolerance limit...
Respect... and wait from feedback... about FIFA online...writed from PES players....
1)A major overhaul... IMO the gameplay and the mechanics of the game are broken....because 5 basic things:
1a) Passing system: Its really difficult and random pass to the ball to the desired player, the throws balls (lofted and grounded) are mostly useless, even with Pirlo...thats why PES 2010 online becomes in a RUN, RUN, RUN game...like car racing...not football... with the fastest players ALL the time.:realmad:
1b) Reaction delay or Button Lag (Response Issues): It is like a broken glass with bubble gum...Because the engine of the game its not capable to deal with mo-cap or inverse kinematics. There is too many time between animations to do something in the pitch. Its really difficult play a fast minded football because you brain is 4 second ahead that the player reactions in the screen... For my, football its a hability-Fast thinking sport game... and as a simulator, in the botton line, PES dont deliver that anymore.
hmy:1c) Animations: The system is absolutely outdated...its almost a joke pay a full price product for a system thats is from 7 years... With instant response, the animations are second line, but with the lag dued to the animations system fail...it is almost stressing see the screen.:shocking:
1d) Referees: The rules of the beautifull game are the same for the last 100 years or more until PES 2010... Its true, that in the real flesh and bones referees, judgement have some kind of ramdomness..but there are consistency... a tackle from behind in the major box its a red car and penalty 85% of the times... but in PES 2010 its like 5%... Clearly, the probability function used in the PES code to determine the referees calls is broken because the hole collision system its broken... When we add the animation, lag, delay, random passing, referee and collision issues we have a game unplayable or at least not playable like football simulator or any good PES back from 2007.:crymore:
1e) Keepers: There are so random in their responses, so limited in their animations, so inconsistent in their parries... that has ruined the experience... mostly online...in one time of one single match you have Casillas taking shoots from every angle, from 6 yards, etc... in the next time you have the same Casillas doing NOTHING with a soft header... or sending the ball to the forwards or the net 50% of the times... its like a coin toss...come one!!!.... not even think in the consistency of smaller teams kepeers like Udinese, Atletico..even DIDA or Csech from Chelsea.:no:
Others:
-Player broken switch system
-Zonal deffence system with 3 man running against one crushing each other.
-Invisible walls
-Throws ins
-Free kicks and effect (swerve or curve)
2) ONLINE PLAYING:
PES ,objetively, is one the of the ugliest online experiences in current gen... the balance is more weighted in the TEAMS or footballers individuality, that in the player hability or capacity...
For example:
Its really possible for a good PES player against CPU or a BAD PES player beat Real Madrid using Benfica or even Wolves...in the 2007 back PESs almost 80% of the times you can win a game using every team against a bad player using the best team available...but from 2008 to 2010 the average has been reduced from 80% at 40% or least... Today, ONLINE, the best team win 75% of the times no matter what kind of player are behind...that dued to the LAG, the cheap goals, the kepeers and referees inconsistency and the Run game tipe.
For my, playing the CPU its not funny anymore...because its predictable offensively and deffensively...even today i can not see any trace of the famost TEAMVISION thing...there are no genetic altghorism behind PES or it does not work properly...that is a fact for me. I realy need a football game playable online, because online its my only option to play football games today.
In the end line, i think that KONAMI need a new head in front of PES, with new ideas, with new goals and open, really open to the community.
I really want a fixed PES 2011...but its really difficult see that comming..almost as difficult like beating a medium PES brazilian player using BRAZIL with CHILE with 2 second LAG in the PES 2010 five minutes tournaments...
Fifa its not my time of game...for me its like NCAA basketball in a green pitch, with every player-team doing the same in the same way with a plastic 1$ ball...but at least, reading the reviews, it works good online...
If any of you have tried FIFA10 online please give me some feedback about the experience...and for the hardcore fans like me...everyting has a end..even the love for the PES franchise and the fustration tolerance limit...
Respect... and wait from feedback... about FIFA online...writed from PES players....
