Is the game harder this year or is it me?

[pEst410]

I'm playing 14 mins and on superstar. It's fantastic. Perfect even.

1) I'm not rushing which I love.
2) Subs can actually have an impact ( when I bring on someone in the 70th min they have more than enough time to really affect the game)
3) Even Stoppage time is a bit more exciting now.

I still get the odd 0-0 game but even then it definitely deserved to be 0-0 based on the way the game played out.

Yup, I'm experiencing exactly the same things. Against Leverkusen for the CL I was losing 1-0 most of the match, getting really close to scoring towards the end with tactical changes and putting more players forward. I brought in Salvio and Jimenez for the last 10-15 minutes, Salvio scored 1-1 and then assisted Jimenez for 1-2

 

[TeknoBug]

Wow I just played a match at 14 mins on superstar (already had -1 speed), fantastic discovery there, but man I don't think I can play 14 min halves, that's sometimes too long.

 

[pEst410]

14 min halves? It's 14 mins total.

 

[Joey Tribbiani]

Surprised that 20 minute games isn't the norm. I don't know how people can enjoy rushing through the games - isn't the whole point of PES to tale pleasure in playing the games?

Does anyone know how to change the length of time versus matches are? It seems locked at 10 minutes which is too short.

 

[Lord Shrimpeh]

I have bought every Pro Evo game, I played this one as I have all the previous on the hardest difficulty but I am really struggling to score on this one. Most games I have 1 or 2 shots mainly because I can't create anything! It seems unrealistic at this difficulty. Hopefully Top Player is more balanced but it feels a shame switching down as I am enjoying Superstar. It's impossible to score :no:

 

[pEst410]

Yeah, compared to last year I went down to Top Player, down from manual shooting to basic and up from 9 to 14 minutes. That's the only way I can score 1 to 3 goals per game.

 

[Clint_W_25]

I have bought every Pro Evo game, I played this one as I have all the previous on the hardest difficulty but I am really struggling to score on this one. Most games I have 1 or 2 shots mainly because I can't create anything! It seems unrealistic at this difficulty. Hopefully Top Player is more balanced but it feels a shame switching down as I am enjoying Superstar. It's impossible to score :no:

HAHA! It just takes some time to adjust to. No worries!

If you're playing ML and your team spirit is low, then you will definitely struggle to score goals.

But from most posts I've read, Top Player is the way to go.

 

[optimistic]

I have bought every Pro Evo game, I played this one as I have all the previous on the hardest difficulty but I am really struggling to score on this one. Most games I have 1 or 2 shots mainly because I can't create anything! It seems unrealistic at this difficulty. Hopefully Top Player is more balanced but it feels a shame switching down as I am enjoying Superstar. It's impossible to score :no:

Hi there
I admit PES 2017 is solid hard on Superstar LV, and very difficult to score especially when playing against top teams like Real madrid and Barca using an average team. CPU is smart, they exploit every mistake you make and counter attack, then BANG....CUP scores, its very Superstar. CPU will close gaps they give you and block the passing passage, yes, its hard, but its realisc. PES 17's AI is intelligent and there are no obvious flaws for both CPU's attack and defence.

I can score on Superstar LV, but most of them are headers and for me its very hard to organize attack through the middle, sometimes my strikers just dont run into open spaces, you cant hesitate to pass the ball, you know, CPU will snatch the ball away in split seconds and give you very little time to think and prepare, so you have to play wisely or you will be punished.

You can try to launch through balls down to both wings and long ball cross to the goal for scoring headers, but you need some luck to score headers. Because according to my experience more often than not CPU will mark you tightly and not let you score cheap headers, you need to get the timing right.

Anyway I really enjoy playing PES 2017, its hard this year, but also very realistic, scoring goals on Superstar LV feels fantastic.

Good luck to your games

 

[Clint_W_25]

Hi there
I admit PES 2017 is solid hard on Superstar LV, and very difficult to score especially when playing against top teams like Real madrid and Barca using an average team. CPU is smart, they exploit every mistake you make and counter attack, then BANG....CUP scores, its very Superstar. CPU will close gaps they give you and block the passing passage, yes, its hard, but its realisc. PES 17's AI is intelligent and there are no obvious flaws for both CPU's attack and defence.

I can score on Superstar LV, but most of them are headers and for me its very hard to organize attack through the middle, sometimes my strikers just dont run into open spaces, you cant hesitate to pass the ball, you know, CPU will snatch the ball away in split seconds and give you very little time to think and prepare, so you have to play wisely or you will be punished.

You can try to launch through balls down to both wings and long ball cross to the goal for scoring headers, but you need some luck to score headers. Because according to my experience more often than not CPU will mark you tightly and not let you score cheap headers, you need to get the timing right.

Anyway I really enjoy playing PES 2017, its hard this year, but also very realistic, scoring goals on Superstar LV feels fantastic.

Good luck to your games

It is indeed much harder this year and I don't mind because I love the tough challenge.

But honestly, A.I. is cheesy and it's frustrating conceding cheesy goals to them constantly, whether it be rebounds, bullshit long diagonal balls into the box and they score or, one player magically holds off 3 or 4 defends / dribbles through your defense to set up a goal. IT'S RIDICULOUS!

While me in attack, everything is blocked, shut down, intercepted, they pick every off your toes! You basically cannot play possession football or find success through the middle. THAT'S A NO NO!

Why should I have to resort to just spamming through balls or crosses into the box?:erm:

Most frustrating about P E S 2017, is the fouls or no fouls. Yes a lot more fouls are called this year. But for the life of me, now into my third season of ML, I've still yet to win one penalty decision against A.I. despite being chopped down and hacked down in the PK box numerous times.:huh:

I've only had the game for three weeks and I'm starting to get sick / tired and frustrated with it already!

 

[yopen71]

But the gameplay of Pro Evo 2017 speaks for itself. With or without licenses..

Sorry man I do not agree!.Of Course just my opinion.
The game is very boring.The AI has no vision.Cheating engine.
Compared to previous versions,this year the game is more realistic,but generally still absolutely unrealistic
I played 2 seasons in BAL.
Almost all matches finished 1-0

Only two good things in this new version: Good physics and adapting AI,but very cheating.The game is made on the principle to irritate rather than delight

 

[valencia5]

Sorry man I do not agree!.Of Course just my opinion.
The game is very boring.The AI has no vision.Cheating engine.
Compared to previous versions,this year the game is more realistic,but generally still absolutely unrealistic
I played 2 seasons in BAL.
Almost all matches finished 1-0

Only two good things in this new version: Good physics and adapting AI,but very cheating.The game is made on the principle to irritate rather than delight

I feel you bro. Real life is hard to imitate because of chaos theory.

The physics is the most important since it's the biggest though only one of many factors which make simulation lifelike.

I see what you're saying with the cheating and irritate. I personally love the game, but noticed many flaws, as I've posted on a few threads.

You have to take it with a grain of salt, a game is a game, and each and every game has their own nuances. Patterns, Artificial Intelligence, which is exponentially lower than human intelligence, and predetermined parameters for learning, rather than unlimited like a humans.

I find the greatest irritation in the cheap and easy fixes PES has made to try to make their defense more robust and rigid.

If you think about it, the coding and logic needed to create a truly lifelike and challenging defense is probably so very hard with all the reacting to human thought process, as well as reacting to the humans unpredictable reactions. So hard, to do.

What they did was, what many games do, including FIFA. Small easy to do bandaids, that dont' make the game richer.

I noticed defenders being unreasonably stronger than offensive players on the ball, where Chicharito could brush against Vincent Kompany while Kompany was running full steam forward, and Kompany would be smashed backwards flat on his back, and chicharito would be jogging in stride to retrieve the ball he just won. Regardless of weight, explosion, balance, ratings whatever....

Defenders have an unusual long radius to extend their legs, with perfect challenges to poke the ball out through someone's body...5 meters away...

Defenders running in their first 3rd of the pitch towards their own goal, become faster than any player, when running towards their own goal, in defense.

Those are cheap, easy fixes...probably because of limited time and resources to spend on programming....seemed a more efficient use of time and money...

AI Defense can rape you physically, with very few fouls, or yellows though, in real life, they would be straight reds.

These things make the defense tougher, but way unrealistic, and in some eyes "Cheating"....it sucks.

I have noticed improvements, since the update, Konami didn't state any, but the game balance seems better, even on superstar, with improved shot speed etc.

I appreciate your respectfully stated opinion and agree with you to an extent, but also wanted to let you know, there are many more positives if you give it a chance ,and can deal with some of the flaws. As mostly every game will have their own set of flaws and positives.

Best of luck to you.

 

[yopen71]

I noticed defenders being unreasonably stronger than offensive players on the ball, where Chicharito could brush against Vincent Kompany while Kompany was running full steam forward, and Kompany would be smashed backwards flat on his back, and chicharito would be jogging in stride to retrieve the ball he just won. Regardless of weight, explosion, balance, ratings whatever....

Defenders have an unusual long radius to extend their legs, with perfect challenges to poke the ball out through someone's body...5 meters away...

Defenders running in their first 3rd of the pitch towards their own goal, become faster than any player, when running towards their own goal, in defense.

Those are cheap, easy fixes...probably because of limited time and resources to spend on programming....seemed a more efficient use of time and money...

AI Defense can rape you physically, with very few fouls, or yellows though, in real life, they would be straight reds.

These things make the defense tougher, but way unrealistic, and in some eyes "Cheating"....it sucks.

Exactly what I mean. But the Konami god-defenders are just little piece of more big picture-the gameplay. Konami want to joke with all their customers that pay for their insane parody of football simulator.The engine of the game contains cheating scripts that lead the player and his team to many disadvantages, preventing any good team or player to win a specific match.You can win only those matches which Konami allow you.This does not lead to delight from the game only to irritate!

I appreciate your respectfully stated opinion and agree with you to an extent, but also wanted to let you know, there are many more positives if you give it a chance ,and can deal with some of the flaws. As mostly every game will have their own set of flaws and positives.

Best of luck to you.

I'm sorry man.I love the football game and tough matches but will no longer spend money for such botched creations.PES 2013 is much better in my opinion. It's not realistic football game, but has more balances between the player and the cheating AI and the most important I'm happy when I play.Is not exactly what each player looking from the pc games?
I can lose with dignity any football match when my playing skills are bad and not reach any certain level to win,but I'm not agree to loose my time playing pre-doomed matches.
I'm not a masochist

 

[Clint_W_25]

Exactly what I mean. But the Konami god-defenders are just little piece of more big picture-the gameplay. Konami want to joke with all their customers that pay for their insane parody of football simulator.The engine of the game contains cheating scripts that lead the player and his team to many disadvantages, preventing any good team or player to win a specific match.You can win only those matches which Konami allow you.This does not lead to delight from the game only to irritate!

I'm sorry man.I love the football game and tough matches but will no longer spend money for such botched creations.PES 2013 is much better in my opinion. It's not realistic football game, but has more balances between the player and the cheating AI and the most important I'm happy when I play.Is not exactly what each player looking from the pc games?
I can lose with dignity any football match when my playing skills are bad and not reach any certain level to win,but I'm not agree to loose my time playing pre-doomed matches.
I'm not a masochist

You're so spot on about the scripting.

I played over a match (out of frustration) against West Brom, played it over 8 or 9 times before I could win.

The cheating / scripting was dreadful! No matter how much I dominated, created chances; I could not score! And every match was the same, West Brom gets some ridiculous rebounded goal, or some deflection or non-foul, or a goal in some cheesy manner.

I'm playing on Super Star with Liverpool. My defending is fine, only conceded 7 goals in 19 matches so far and was in the top 4, went as high as 2nd. Was scoring some goals earlier in the season. But for some strange reason, now that my Team Spirit is up and I'm playing better football, I can't buy a goal; not winning in how many odd games now. All 0-0 draws and bullshit 1-0 losses:huh:

I'm at the point now, thinking that this game makes no sense!

A.I. has every advantage when it comes to speed, collision and strength! They get all their players behind the ball, block every shot, shrug you off the ball, pick the ball off your feet; boom the ball up field (and the ball lands to their strikers every time) and starts a counter; they boom 5 or 6 players into the box and still out sprint you back on defense, as you're trying to counter.

I am sick and tired of having to resort to cheesy football, just spamming through balls down the wings, tired of playing cross after cross after cross and playing long balls! This is all this game is about and even YouTubers doing their ML careers, this is all they do and seem to score goals with success. But ain't working for me!

I've only had this game for three weeks. Tried the demo early October, was so impressed and bought the game right away. Now the fun factor / enjoyment has completely gone!

Lastly, with regards to defending; for the life of me someone please explain, have you ever watched football on TV and all match long defenders chasing an attacker and pulls them by the shoulder from behind and the ball stays right there or falls back to the defender?

How the hell this animation is in PES 2017 is mind boggling! That's all A.I. ever does, pulls you from behind by the shoulder or cuts in front of you somehow and shrugs you off the ball, even when they're not in a position to. My gosh!

 

[tokwan]

Yep Clint, it's the same feeling I had last month when I was struggling with the learning curve of PES 2017. I went thru a whole season of ML with the preset players (Arqas, Castledine, etc.) which ended with promotion to PL, and a broken controller.

Fast forward to today, after applying the DFL patch and restarting the ML, I'm now in my 6th season having won all the trophies available in ML, and my Nottingham Forest is top of all charts. My team strength is 86 with my best two players having 90 OVR; one of them is Lobato, a youth player who inhumanly shot up the ranks with spurt after spurt of vertical blue arrow periods thru the seasons.

Oh, the COM is still trying to cheat with scripted goals. I say 'trying to cheat' because I now can tell when the COM is going to do it, and apply a counter approach thus foil the cheating most of the time. My counter approach includes
1) getting the team overall shape a notch down defensively (double tap D pad down) i.e. depending on situation could be anywhere but the zenith or nadir level;
2) manually control a player to close down an opponent (not on the ball) running most dangerously into space, while holding square to close down on the opponent with the ball;
3) clear the ball with square button although I can pass to a free player using X button

I believe the 3rd above is a very important step to get us out of the 'script'. We need to keep hitting the square buttons; there will be waves of onslaught by the COM to get the goal. The moment we try to pass the ball during this 'script' period, our player will somehow make mistakes that allow the COM to seize or pounce on the ball and score.

Now that my players OVR is in the 82-90 range, I have no problem to score against the COM. Easiest goal to set up is from crosses; timing is, to cross when you see a teammate running into the penalty box and he is just crossing the line. My wingers and full backs are equipped with 'pin-point crossing' trait. 50% of my goals are from crosses. The rest are from through balls (mostly lobs as COM could easily intercept ground thru passes), corners, long range and the least scored goals are from 'flairs' like dribbling thru players and R2 goals.

In a nutshell, don't give up; you'll eventually tame PES 2017 like the PES before it.

 

[pEst410]

3) clear the ball with square button although I can pass to a free player using X button

I believe the 3rd above is a very important step to get us out of the 'script'. We need to keep hitting the square buttons; there will be waves of onslaught by the COM to get the goal. The moment we try to pass the ball during this 'script' period, our player will somehow make mistakes that allow the COM to seize or pounce on the ball and score.

This is exactly right, well observed.

 

[eumy]

I play now at "professional", no more Top Player as it's harder now...
and I enjoy it at his best.

 

[TeknoBug]

ML this year is probably one of the best in a while for me thanks to the AI and I play career/GM/franchise in NHL, Madden, FIFA, PES, MLB The Show, NBA 2K, etc., granted it's not as deep behind the curtains as some of the other games.

I've been having good back and forth matches, a handful of fouls and free kicks and injuries. The scripting is rather minimal, complain all you want but it's nowhere nearly as scripted as EA sports games- like holy jesus it makes me want to go HULK when scripting happens in FIFA or NHL or when defensive backs magically warps over and magically grabs your unreachable passes in Madden (happened A LOT in Madden 25). And I've been getting the most obnoxious fouls in FIFA 17 while AI gets off scott free or just a warning for committing murder.

 

[tokwan]

Maybe I should add that even if you do everything right, the COM can still score against all odds.

If it happens, don't fret. From my observation, usually if the COM scores from a 'script' move, in your following ball possession you will be given a very high chance to score too; that if you try a through pass, the usually superb COM defenders will somehow miss to intercept the ball and giving your attacker a clear run towards the goal. Or, if look at your wingers, one of them might be unmarked that you could make a long pass to him and the winger can run to the byline to cross the ball to one of your forwards who somehow was also not marked by any COM player for him to score.

I'm telling this cause I've just experienced it so evidently 10 mins ago in a match that I won 8-3 (I think my highest scoring game so far in ML at Superstar level). I scored right after all the 3 goals that the COM scored..

 

[Mozvaldo]

It does feel every now and then as if the CPU gets some kind of 'super press' going where you can't seem to get the ball away from your area not matter what you do and they seem a yard quicker everywhere until they get the goal.

 

[oggmeista]

Imho it's harder, to attack and somewhat easier to defend, but it's better more of a simulation and more realistic

Though this doesn't seem to be,,,

This is something that's really been annoying me though, so your feedback would be nice...

In all the time I have been playing the new game, so far I have never seen a CB score with a header? from a corner that is... and take note, I have the "attacking players" selected in the strategy options......If that is the case it needs to be fixed....because it spoils the authenticity of the game, which in a simulation is critical..