Konami has lost me.............

[Mark74]

Hi all,

I'm sorry i have to say this.....
But PES is getting worse every year since PES5......
Each year i go to the shop, buy the game, and get disapointed.....again.
Just played a game in masterleague, did read the tips that playing on Profesional is more fun and better, so i tried it....
Made three fouls, got two yellow cards and one red.
Should have got two penalty's and about 5 free kicks......
guess how much i got?
And aint it sad that Prof. is more of a challenge then TopPlayer?
This is just one of the flaws...................

What are they doing at Konami?
The game looks great, also this year, but gameplay sucks big time.

Will try Fifa this year.......... the last time i tried Fifa was in 1998.....

Sorry guys, i have tried it...............................

 

[owls2k]

Pes 6 was the best.

This year takes the piss in all honesty.

No free kicks or pens given against the CPU, and nudge and CPU gets a free kick.

They keep the ball like Real Madrid when they are Bolton, they play the ball like ping pong before a donkey manages to run through 3 of your defenders like they are ghosts.

The game doesn't reward good play, way too many offsides for the CPU

Corners are pathetic.

This game is pathetic.

 

[DIECI]

cry me a river!

 

[owls2k]

I take it you are a fan of all the above traits in this game?

Such terrible execution.

After another countless win it isn't even enjoyable. You just feel like you've guessed right in a game of heads or tails.

When you lose you wish you'd have just settled it with a coin.

 

[shaun7]

^Just because you or some other don't like , that doesn't make it a bad game. And a bad game is not decided on some mis fouls or penalties. That's not all football.
See the individuality
See the great goals you can make in pes 2010
See the variation you can create
Play other modes
And also how can pes 2010 be worse than pes 08. "pes is getting worse every year". That's just not it.
If you want to try fifa try it, but about refereeing in fifa. It is better than pro (in refereeing) but it favours the cpu way too much. so you'll get frustrated aswell if all you see are fouls and penalties in a football game.

 

[douglas93]

I have to be honest I really dont see this thing about professional being harder than top player,my experience is the opposite. My personal opinion is the game is much better than 2008 but really that isnt saying much. I suspect Konamis version / update next year will be badly hit saleswise (as was the 2009 version). The reality is they have misled their fan base into thinking the game will be hunky dory online when clearly it is not.

 

[ykl]

Agree with you Shaun.....I totally accept pes2010 were under ours expectation. But it totally not getting worse than 08 or 09...i don't want to pinpoint someone out there are idiot or still think like childish....But honestly from my heart i 'm still enjoy with my fourth years master league in top player difficulties.

But one thing for sure, all the pes fans won't compromise with the online mode failure three years in row.

We are the gamer....we have nothing to do with the game developer. If konami listen to us and able to improved about 70% from the fans opinion, i will be pleased.....I'm also thinking of now a days gamers will owned fifa and pes at the same time...since the currency value in Europe is much more higher than Asia....If i not mistaken, to having 2 ps3 games in one month only cost you about 70 pound, which is only less than 5% of your monthly income.


Sorry for poor grammar...

 

[berkovic1903]

I definitely do not like the new pes .Thorough passes are fucked up ,pitch size reduced ,no pen ,corners suck ,a stupid response delay time ....

I have heard that most of pes 5 creators were transferred to EA sports ,that may be why pes sucks more and more every year and fifa rises .

PS :I do not like fifa ....

 

[sgmullins]

I would say pro is certainly harder than top player, i played as hull against man u and beat them both times , on top player i had more efforts on the goal. I am loving pes 2010 , the more you put into it the more you get out of it.

I bought fifa 10 this year too, big mistake as i am down 40 big ones.

 

[Cg1206]

^Just because you or some other don't like , that doesn't make it a bad game. And a bad game is not decided on some mis fouls or penalties. That's not all football.
See the individuality
See the great goals you can make in pes 2010
See the variation you can create
Play other modes
And also how can pes 2010 be worse than pes 08. "pes is getting worse every year". That's just not it.
If you want to try fifa try it, but about refereeing in fifa. It is better than pro (in refereeing) but it favours the cpu way too much. so you'll get frustrated aswell if all you see are fouls and penalties in a football game.

I wouldn't say pes2010 is worse than 08 but at the same time you have to realise that with each year the expectation of having a half decent game grows. 3 years now since pes6 and the game has gone way downhill, you can't deny that. WOW we have flashy graphics, who cares when the game is corrupt to fuck?

The best news that came out before release was that online was flawless. Ah guess what, it isn't! Another lie from the robbers. They do it every year and the fools that we are fall for it.

Anyone who's happy with PES 2010 is simply a moron. Sorry if you think it's harsh but it's true. You are playing a game that we should of had 2-3 years ago. In that time you have wasted money on 2-3 games at £40 each. For what? They were shit games that we didn't deserve. Is that how Konami see us that they can be so blatantly lazy and neglect us yet still rake in all our money?

I'm glad sales of the game are way down. Maybe now they will get their fingers out and do something about it rather than work on Torres's freckles for 3 months then work on Messi's arm hair for 2.

Come on, get a grip!

 

[shaun7]

^But that's what you say. It's not how it is. It's what you think.
Pes 2010 certainly isn't perfect and yes even I expected more especially in animations and AI and difficulty.
But overall it's really enjoyable and I would say a realistic football interpretation. About online . Why all the complaints?
I am with ps3 wireless (usually every game lags on mine) and pes lags just like the others. Nothing to get fussy about. Although it can get better, I know.

Anyone who's happy with PES 2010 is simply a moron. Sorry if you think it's harsh but it's true. You are playing a game that we should of had 2-3 years ago. In that time you have wasted money on 2-3 games at £40 each. For what? They were shit games that we didn't deserve. Is that how Konami see us that they can be so blatantly lazy and neglect us yet still rake in all our money?

And anyone who think pes 2010 is not realistic, then you're all idiots and retards. I may say the same thing. But I wouldn't say it because in this planet called Earth, there are people and they have different opinions.
If you think it's not good. DO NOT PLAY. IT IS REALLY THAT SIMPLE.

Finally I am not saying pes 2010 is what we deserve. Both football titles aren't enough for a ps3. Both are outdated.
But guess what. That's the market. That's what's in it.
And so far, I like pes 2010 (I also said negative points about it and how it can improve, no need to mention them again) and fifa 10 aswell. They aren't as bad as some say.
I get what you're saying though, but pes 2010 even though it may be outdated is not as bad as some are making it seem.

 

[sweetmusicman]

Hi all,

I'm sorry i have to say this.....
But PES is getting worse every year since PES5......
Each year i go to the shop, buy the game, and get disapointed.....again.
Just played a game in masterleague, did read the tips that playing on Profesional is more fun and better, so i tried it....
Made three fouls, got two yellow cards and one red.
Should have got two penalty's and about 5 free kicks......
guess how much i got?
And aint it sad that Prof. is more of a challenge then TopPlayer?
This is just one of the flaws...................

What are they doing at Konami?
The game looks great, also this year, but gameplay sucks big time.

Will try Fifa this year.......... the last time i tried Fifa was in 1998.....

Sorry guys, i have tried it...............................

The passing is broken.
Through pass is broken
The crossing is broken.
The corner kicks are broken.
The penalty system is broken.
The negotiation system is broken.
Response/delay of players.
Clumpsiness, doesnt matter if it's Rooney/Messi or a player from Burnley.
Smooth Online is something to Hope for.
Too many well-known stadiums are missing.
The Cup/League celebrations are worst then the ones in 2009.

P.S. Did you noticed-all the above mentioned things has something to do with gameplay. Gameplay is what Konami has pride themselves all these years and now the last character is dead.....All that is left for them is graphics and that is a matter of opinion(whether it is good)

My fascination over the excellent graphics are over! (I should have expected it anyway)

One has to wonder, what was the money you paid for? And what was the hype over the two hundred staff members again?


But tell this to some guys on this board and they will ask you whether you are on drugs. As far as I am concern only someone who is high or on drugs, while playing will not notice how broken the gameplay of PES 2010 is.

 

[shaun7]

^You talk nonsense. Complete nonsense. Ever heard of opinions?
I guess NO. Learn to respect others. All those who say pes 2010 is broken can't even make an argument, because they say that everything is broken when it's clearly not the case.
There are good things and there are bad things. That's the same with fifa. There are good things but there are bad ones too.

 

[DIECI]

The passing is broken.
Through pass is broken
The crossing is broken.
The corner kicks are broken.
The penalty system is broken.
The negotiation system is broken.
Response/delay of players.
Clumpsiness, doesnt matter if it's Rooney/Messi or a player from Burnley.
Smooth Online is something to Hope for.
Too many well-known stadiums are missing.
The Cup/League celebrations are worst then the ones in 2009.

P.S. Did you noticed-all the above mentioned things has something to do with gameplay. Gameplay is what Konami has pride themselves all these years and now the last character is dead.....All that is left for them is graphics and that is a matter of opinion(whether it is good)

My fascination over the excellent graphics are over! (I should have expected it anyway)

One has to wonder, what was the money you paid for? And what was the hype over the two hundred staff members again?


But tell this to some guys on this board and they will ask you whether you are on drugs. As far as I am concern only someone who is high or on drugs, while playing will not notice how broken the gameplay of PES 2010 is.

Dude you exaggerate WAY too much, non of those things are broken! What are you talking about?? Yes the game has flaws but show me a list of PERFECT games with no flaws! Cmon man get real! Even PES6 which everyone here think is the benchmark for the PES series had its flaws! PES2010 is a good game, if you don't like it just don't play it and save yourself the aggravation, simple as that but dont come here saying the game is BROKEN, because its not! Sometimes it seems like some of these complaints are from FIFA fanboys who come here just to "stir the pot" !

 

[owls2k]

^Just because you or some other don't like , that doesn't make it a bad game. And a bad game is not decided on some mis fouls or penalties. That's not all football.
See the individuality
See the great goals you can make in pes 2010
See the variation you can create
Play other modes
And also how can pes 2010 be worse than pes 08. "pes is getting worse every year". That's just not it.
If you want to try fifa try it, but about refereeing in fifa. It is better than pro (in refereeing) but it favours the cpu way too much. so you'll get frustrated aswell if all you see are fouls and penalties in a football game.

By the same logic if you like it doesn't make it a good game either then.

Its just opinion.

A game isn't decided on mis fouls or penalties? Tell any English football fan that. And I raised other valid points about the game other than this which you ignored.

Individuality?
Wolves playing like arsenal 'cos CPU are down a goal with 10 to go? Or do you mean the fact that Ronaldo, Torres, Rooney et al are invincible?

Play Other modes?
I play other modes all the time, when its 1 v 1 the general consesus is that the game is a farce, but still fun.

1 v CPU you're just waiting for the cpu to get into gear

2 vs CPU almost impossible and infuriating

(all on top player)

FIFA doesn't matter to me, its pointless pointing me in the direction of that shoddy game. I'm a PES fan, I want this game to be better, I want it to reach its potential. But 2010 is a shoddy attempt.

 

[owls2k]

Dude you exaggerate WAY too much, non of those things are broken! What are you talking about?? Yes the game has flaws but show me a list of PERFECT games with no flaws! Cmon man get real! Even PES6 which everyone here think is the benchmark for the PES series had its flaws! PES2010 is a good game, if you don't like it just don't play it and save yourself the aggravation, simple as that but dont come here saying the game is BROKEN, because its not! Sometimes it seems like some of these complaints are from FIFA fanboys who come here just to "stir the pot" !

What a load of nonsense, if you can't see why people are complaining about PES then you need to take the PES tinted specs off.

I'm sure he means 'broken' as 'painfully rubbish', if he does I wholeheartedly agree with him.

And don't be telling people to not debate the ins and outs of the game just because you don't agree, its a tad childish.

I'm interested to hear what you think were flaws in PES 6?
And what you think about the flaws in this version which have already been brought up?

 

[owls2k]

^You talk nonsense. Complete nonsense. Ever heard of opinions?
I guess NO. Learn to respect others. All those who say pes 2010 is broken can't even make an argument, because they say that everything is broken when it's clearly not the case.
There are good things and there are bad things. That's the same with fifa. There are good things but there are bad ones too.

You're telling people to respect others when you called anyone who didn't agree with you "idiots and retards"???

I think you need to practise that yourself before banging out that card.

 

[owls2k]

I definitely do not like the new pes .Thorough passes are fucked up ,pitch size reduced ,no pen ,corners suck ,a stupid response delay time ....

I have heard that most of pes 5 creators were transferred to EA sports ,that may be why pes sucks more and more every year and fifa rises .

PS :I do not like fifa ....

Haven't heard that myself but I wouldn't be surprised.

The through ball one is the biggest thing for me, its just criminal in all honesty, what a shame.

 

[shaun7]

By the same logic if you like it doesn't make it a good game either then.

Its just opinion.

A game isn't decided on mis fouls or penalties? Tell any English football fan that. And I raised other valid points about the game other than this which you ignored.

Individuality?
Wolves playing like arsenal 'cos CPU are down a goal with 10 to go? Or do you mean the fact that Ronaldo, Torres, Rooney et al are invincible?

Play Other modes?
I play other modes all the time, when its 1 v 1 the general consesus is that the game is a farce, but still fun.

1 v CPU you're just waiting for the cpu to get into gear

2 vs CPU almost impossible and infuriating

(all on top player)

FIFA doesn't matter to me, its pointless pointing me in the direction of that shoddy game. I'm a PES fan, I want this game to be better, I want it to reach its potential. But 2010 is a shoddy attempt.

Ofcourse it's an opinion. Jesus, read my post well.
And also I think you're playing pes 09. where are Torres and Rooney invincible?
I can stop them if I defend well.
I know that sometimes they appear better than they really are, but that's down to AI cheating which Fifa surpases pes in that department.
I guess you don't know how fair I try to be with both games.
I am still not sure which game is better, though I am playing pes more.
As for individuality. Play the game on professional because on top player there's many AI cheating that ruin it (just like fifa). So I don't see that point.
There's lots of individuality. You just have to notice that.
As for fouls or penalties. Do you think that those 2 alone make up a football game?
That's just a big mistake. NO they don't.
There are other basic things which are more important.
Passing
shooting
Goalkeepers
AI
Realism
Animations which in pes are not good.
And Individuality is a big factor in football.

You're telling people to respect others when you called anyone who didn't agree with you "idiots and retards"???

I think you need to practise that yourself before banging out that card.

I guess you didn't understand my post.

I said:

And anyone who think pes 2010 is not realistic, then you're all idiots and retards. I may say the same thing. But I wouldn't say it because in this planet called Earth, there are people and they have different opinions.

 

[owls2k]

Ofcourse it's an opinion. Jesus, read my post well.
And also I think you're playing pes 09. where are Torres and Rooney invincible?
I can stop them if I defend well.
I know that sometimes they appear better than they really are, but that's down to AI cheating which Fifa surpases pes in that department.
I guess you don't know how fair I try to be with both games.
I am still not sure which game is better, though I am playing pes more.
As for individuality. Play the game on professional because on top player there's many AI cheating that ruin it (just like fifa). So I don't see that point.
There's lots of individuality. You just have to notice that.
As for fouls or penalties. Do you think that those 2 alone make up a football game?
That's just a big mistake. NO they don't.
There are other basic things which are more important.
Passing
shooting
Goalkeepers
AI
Realism
Animations which in pes are not good.
And Individuality is a big factor in football.



I guess you didn't understand my post.

I said:

Jeses what?

Torres and the like are far more invincable this time round IMO.

I'm not questioning your 'fairness', and frankly don't care about FIFA.

Fouls and Penalties aren't the enitre make up of the game. And I haven't stated that either, so I guess that's your mistake. Its just a bit of a cop out to say something along the lines of, "Oh it doesn't matter that they are rubbish because its only a small part of the game."

So many gameplay elements have major flaws in this version.

its a real shame.