KONAMI player stats are so retarded, it hurts!

[Luisao82]

Everybody knows that KONAMI stats are always crappy. But sometimes they just go over the top.

Speaking about my team (SL Benfica), you take two guys:
- Luisão (CB)
- Rodrigo (CF)

Luisão is a 192m/90Kg defender and one of the slowest players you will ever see. Rodrigo (on the other hand) is one of the fastest guys on the team.
But somehow, KONAMI gave (for Top Speed) 77 to Rodrigo, and 78 to Luisão. :facepalm:


Anyway guys, whenever you want to consult some more 'near to reality' stats, visit this forum (if you don't know it, yet):
http://www.pesstatsdatabase.com

Not 100% perfect, but still... 100% better than KONAMI's.

 

[muscularmatt]

PSD is tons better than Konami's estimations, but they'll never use it. It would be admitting that they can't do it properly on their own.

 

[Sabatasso]

PSD have a tendency to overrate almost the exact same amount that KONAMI underrates tbh.

The average central defender from PSD has 85-86 overall rating, for example...

 

[wheresmark]

And they downgraded Tom Cleverly massively for some reason.... Bad form PSD

 

[Sabatasso]

they have downgraded tons of players because they realized how incredibly overrated 95% of their database was. Overrating is still a problem with PSD though, but they are getting better, I'll give them that.

 

[wheresmark]

There def seems to be favourite teams on PSD when looking through.

 

[muscularmatt]

They should just get a board of ex-pros to do it or something. A couple from different clubs, different parts of the world, and go on an average/consensus basis.

 

[Luisao82]

PSD have a tendency to overrate almost the exact same amount that KONAMI underrates tbh.

The average central defender from PSD has 85-86 overall rating, for example...

KONAMI's overall ratings are garbage. Why do you even pay much attention to it?
For example, you often see players with low 70's of OVERALL RATING, who are clearly better than most high 70's or low 80's.

Without taking in account the OVERALL RATING, can u please tell me one defender that PSD has overrate?

They should just get a board of ex-pros to do it or something. A couple from different clubs, different parts of the world, and go on an average/consensus basis.

Totally agreed.

Also, they're working on a total overhaul and revamp there. It will take some time, but it will further increase the quality of the player's sets.

And they downgraded Tom Cleverly massively for some reason.... Bad form PSD

Have you tested the 'downgraded' Cleverley in the game, or are you just worried about the numbers?
Coz I play with him, using PSD stats, and he's well emulated IMHO.

 

[Gibelini]

Mario gomez for example, underrated as hell in the first demo. but Baines from England is overrated. absolutely crazy

 

[alessiocerci]

This is the one area where fifa destroys pro evo
fifas stats are way way better , best thing about fifa is finding treats at crap teams, in pes only big name players for big teams have decent stats
just compare the stats of cska in pes and fifa

 

[Sabatasso]

KONAMI's overall ratings are garbage. Why do you even pay much attention to it?
For example, you often see players with low 70's of OVERALL RATING, who are clearly better than most high 70's or low 80's.

Without taking in account the OVERALL RATING, can u please tell me one defender that PSD has overrate?

That's where you misunderstand the effect overall rating actually has on the game. The game uses overall ratings to assess the "strength" of each team, and the game speed and AI are affected by it.

That's also why playing matches with two "average" sides often gives a better experience than Barcelona vs Real Madrid.

So in effect, it does not matter whether you think the overall ratings are uninteresting, if you fill the game with PSD stats, most defenders will be "overrated" and the AI as a result gets an extreme boost in reaction making the game more arcade-ish than it would otherwise be.

I probably should have explained what I meant in more detail, I just assumed people knew the mechanics of the game...


PS. Notice that AI defenders sometimes reacts to your controllers actions before your own player actually does, this happens far more often with PSD database than with original Konami database.

 

[Luisao82]

So in effect, it does not matter whether you think the overall ratings are uninteresting, if you fill the game with PSD stats, most defenders will be "overrated" and the AI as a result gets an extreme boost in reaction making the game more arcade-ish than it would otherwise be.

PS. Notice that AI defenders sometimes reacts to your controllers actions before your own player actually does, this happens far more often with PSD database than with original Konami database.

I didn't know any of that and quite frankly, I don't feel things like you do.
AI players react more quickly? There are ways to make your players react likewise.

About OVERALL RATINGS overrating players reactions and stuff, maybe it's a feature of the lastest KONAMI oficial patch (1.06), coz I still play the 1.02 (with Jenkey's Gameplay Patch 3.0.0) - it's the combination that makes AI more aggressive and I like it that way, I just hate how the more recent Jenkey's Gameplay Patches and the latest oficial patch make it so easy for me to trash any AI team (Legendary level).

So, I've played around 600 cumulative games in ML, Champions League and World Cup mode (using PSD stats), and often, opponents with less OVERALL RATING can be quite as tough and sometimes even tougher to beat than those with higher OVERALL.
And yes, I'm also talking about their reaction time, both in defense and offense.

So, from my experience, that theory about how higher OVERALL RATINGS overrates some abilities in AI players is falacious if you consider the fact that, even mediocre players will feel equally overrated for your liking.

I really don't think those overrations have anything to do with OVERALL RATINGS, and I've played and tested enough to back what I'm saying.

 

[Eisuke]

KONAMI's overall ratings are garbage. Why do you even pay much attention to it?
For example, you often see players with low 70's of OVERALL RATING, who are clearly better than most high 70's or low 80's.

Without taking in account the OVERALL RATING, can u please tell me one defender that PSD has overrate?

You dont understand the Overall Rating from Konami ...

 

[Sabatasso]

About OVERALL RATINGS overrating players reactions and stuff, maybe it's a feature of the lastest KONAMI oficial patch (1.06), coz I still play the 1.02 (with Jenkey's Gameplay Patch 3.0.0) - it's the combination that makes AI more aggressive and I like it that way, I just hate how the more recent Jenkey's Gameplay Patches and the latest oficial patch make it so easy for me to trash any AI team (Legendary level).

You're playing a game that looks like PES but isn't. There's no way to know how much of the code they've chosen to ignore and override with those patches, and I do play them myself from time to time.

I am talking about PES, the way it came from Konami vs PSD played with Konami "rules".

If you want to discuss Jenkey's impact on the game, do it on his forum because it has really nothing to do in a PES discussion.

PS. Jenkey has already removed large parts of the dynamic game balancing of PES2013 demo1, and it's within that part of the "ai" that the problem with greatly enhanced player base lies.

The biggest folly with PSD is their interpretation of "form", because a red arrow turn an average Joe into Lionel Messi for the duration of the match in this game. PSD gives 6,7 and 8's to 85% of their database, where konami has maybe ten players at 8 originally, and the vast majority at 5 and 6 (not exact numbers).


EDIT; I realize this discussion was player stats initially, so my previous statement that your modded version isn't interesting in this context might be a tad harsh. But you get my point, we can't discuss the impact said changes has when we're not playing the same game, naturally our experiences will differ.

 

[Macheda]

Some people take ratings to literal. Having a high overall doesn't make him over-rated, it's based on individual stats that a player becomes over rated, e.g. a slow player being much quicker, not a player rated 75 on FIFA being 82 on PES.

 

[StringerBell]

Some people take ratings to literal. Having a high overall doesn't make him over-rated, it's based on individual stats that a player becomes over rated, e.g. a slow player being much quicker, not a player rated 75 on FIFA being 82 on PES.

Yep and you know I think they got a lot of players right people get tunnel vision over analyzing big stars and ignore the thousands of other plays in the game.

 

[menaceuk]

Yep and you know I think they got a lot of players right people get tunnel vision over analyzing big stars and ignore the thousands of other plays in the game.

I hope the player, Sterling, In your Sig is given worthy stats. He has really impressed thus far this season. Saw him against City a few weeks back and against Arsenal weekend gone. Very Impressive Indeed.

I want him for my ML team

 

[Macheda]

I hope the player, Sterling, In your Sig is given worthy stats. He has really impressed thus far this season. Saw him against City a few weeks back and against Arsenal weekend gone. Very Impressive Indeed.

I want him for my ML team

This aswell. Don't know how he'll be welcomed at my United save mind you!

 

[Sabatasso]

Yep and you know I think they got a lot of players right people get tunnel vision over analyzing big stars and ignore the thousands of other plays in the game.

I do think it's peculiar that hardly any player outside England, Spain and Italy has 80 Shot Power or more. I know of several players that shoots like a cannon that has 78-ish or lower by Konami standards. Some players in the same category also has vastly undervalued Top Speed and Dribble Speeds compared to similar players, but on a general level I'd like many players in the big teams to have lower ratings.

Stamina is another issue, there are way too many players gasping for air early in the second half in this game, even if you try to play sensible with the sprint button.

Shot Power should have been a 1-8 or even a 1-4 ability, where 1 was equal to 75 and 4 was around 94. Most players would then end up at 2 or 3, which is sensible. I suspect they baked Shot Technique into this ability, though, and that's why bulldozers with terrible accuracy blasts them in consistently from long range.

 

[StringerBell]

I do think it's peculiar that hardly any player outside England, Spain and Italy has 80 Shot Power or more. I know of several players that shoots like a cannon that has 78-ish or lower by Konami standards. Some players in the same category also has vastly undervalued Top Speed and Dribble Speeds compared to similar players, but on a general level I'd like many players in the big teams to have lower ratings.

Stamina is another issue, there are way too many players gasping for air early in the second half in this game, even if you try to play sensible with the sprint button.

Shot Power should have been a 1-8 or even a 1-4 ability, where 1 was equal to 75 and 4 was around 94. Most players would then end up at 2 or 3, which is sensible. I suspect they baked Shot Technique into this ability, though, and that's why bulldozers with terrible accuracy blasts them in consistently from long range.

Well see this is the problem with football games in general theres just way to many damn players to keep a realistic track of. NBA, NFL games can make stats into a science because at the end of the day its only a few hundred players. I have no clue as to who is in charge of stats at Konami maybe it is safe to say they are understaffed?