Konami stats

[CDDRodrigo]

Seriously, they need a change. They are so very innacurate. The players from smaller clubs are immensely worse than the ones from the bigger clubs.

Thoughts?

 

[Amateur]

Seriously, they need a change. They are so very innacurate. The players from smaller clubs are immensely worse than the ones from the bigger clubs.

Thoughts?

If you mean that the current stats need a change, you can easily do that yourself via the Edit Mode.

But if you mean that Pro Evolution needs more Stats and Substance.

I fully agree... I think it is completely unacceptable that I play PES4 and then play the "next gen" PES09 -and- what do you know?? Both games have the same exact identical set of Stats and Special Abilities.

It's been in use for at least 4 or 5 years now, and probably even more. It's time to progress.

If you take a close look at Pro Evolution; PES5, PES6, PES09...

They all play significantly Different -BUT- the Foundations are the same, the Stats are the same, the Core Gameplay is the same.

The "Balance" Stat is ridiculously multipurpose. The "Dribbling Speed" Stat, the one-dimensional "Dribbling Accuracy" Stat...

The lack of: Defensive Stats, Tactical Stats, Dribbling Stats, etc, etc...

Every player within the game haves the same exact identical animations and tricks:

* Riquelme and Paul Scholes, identical copies with different faces.

* Frank Lampard and Michael Ballack, identical copies with different faces.

* Aguero and Leo Messi, pretty much identical, different faces.

It's reach the point where it is Old and boring. The game needs to progress in this respect: Player Likenesses need to be more accurate and realistic.

The Movements and the Graphics change, a few tweaks here and there -BUT- that thing that differentiates the individuals within the game -are- The STATS.

If the Stats remain the same -the- differences between individuals will remain the same. And as a result, every Team within the game will feel and play more or less Identical. Different Uniforms and Faces -but- identical copies underneath it all.

The FACT that PES4 and PES09 have the same Stats and Special Abilities is clear indication that the Stats are well out of date. Konami needs to Update their game in this respect.

Pro Evolution needs to "Evolve" along with its customers. The Stats are well out of date, the Substance isn't good enough anymore. And we all know that Next Gen Consoles are easily capable of something better.

 

[Usul]

I don't entirely agree and i don't think that's what he meant.

I think he means the stats given to other players that aren't as popular.

Besides, what other method would you use? Your suggestion is so vague.

I've created and helped create many players for the DTL, so i have some experience with stats and their combinations.

For instance, suppose you have two players with equal stats in everything. If you give one of them more Agility, it will affect everything else. He will do everything faster and more fluidly. Specials are also a huge factor. Take away a special or add another and you have big differences in overall performance. Height also affects performance as does the players' dribble style. Which brings me to my point.

What the game needs, is a lot more dribbling styles and specials. That would definitely be a massive improvement.

As a matter of fact, so many players have very similar attributes/stats, but what usually diferentiates them is their anatomy and their mentality.

I suppose that Physique and Dribbling styels would falll into the anatomy part.

 

[CDDRodrigo]

I do edit them myself, Amateur. Based on the quality of PES Stats Database.

But I notice that the gap between Randall and C. Ronaldo is too big. Randall can't be THAT bad neither Ronaldo can't be THAT good.

 

[Usul]

You think they bother to give every player accurate stats?

They barely allocate enough resources into making a proper engine, so i don't think they bother to have a team of people checking out every player in real-life to see what stats they can give him.

They'd need a shitload of people and a lot of time to do that.

Most of the stats are generic.

I don't even know who this Randall is, so i doubt some Japanese guy(s) in charge of 'creating' the stats, is going to know...

One thing is for sure, they ain't going to check out some footage of some unknown guy in the Dutch league, for instance, to make accurate stats for him, let alone edit his appearance, which should be easy enough these days.

 

[El_Pupi]

these stats for the unknown or not so popular players are created by a computer, they put many factors in it like

the players position in the field
age
height
weight...and then the computer creates stats the most accurate it can and after that they may do a few quick tweaks here and there and its done.

 

[Amateur]

I don't entirely agree and i don't think that's what he meant.

I think he means the stats given to other players that aren't as popular.

Besides, what other method would you use? Your suggestion is so vague.

I've created and helped create many players for the DTL, so i have some experience with stats and their combinations.

For instance, suppose you have two players with equal stats in everything. If you give one of them more Agility, it will affect everything else. He will do everything faster and more fluidly. Specials are also a huge factor. Take away a special or add another and you have big differences in overall performance. Height also affects performance as does the players' dribble style. Which brings me to my point.

What the game needs, is a lot more dribbling styles and specials. That would definitely be a massive improvement.

As a matter of fact, so many players have very similar attributes/stats, but what usually diferentiates them is their anatomy and their mentality.

I suppose that Physique and Dribbling styels would falll into the anatomy part.

And that's exactly what I mean, and I do agree with most of what you've said.

It doesn't haves to be more Stats, but Konami should definitely implement some New Feature to define "player likenesses" more accurately.

In my opinion, I think the Stats are well out of date and Pro Evo would benefit from a Stat upgrade. Not many Stats, maybe 5 or 10 New Ones would do the trick.

Plus like you said: a lot more dribbling styles and specials. Which would add further differences and substance.

As for the "vague" suggestion... I didn't want to elaborate on that because it would take a lot of words and I know people don't like to read long "rants".

But if you play the games and pay close attention to the gameplay... it's been pretty much the same since PES5, or maybe even before that.

PES5 offered some of the best "player likenesses" I've experienced, it is a game that forces you into playing collectively.

But PES5 still had some flaws and could have improved on the "player likenesses". Instead, PES6 was just another tweak with the same foundations underneath it all.

Like you said: more animations and specials -but- maybe those new animations should come hand-in-hand with New Stats to determine the animations.

The old "Dribbling Accuracy" Stat needs to go: Dribbling Accuracy, Dribbling Speed, and Technique are not good enough anymore. I think the game would benefit from more Specific and Accurate Stats.

For one thing, the game would benefit if we had a Stat for "Finishing". Something to determine a player's coolness when Dribbling Inside of the Penalty Area.

Ruud Van Nistelrooy is not amongst the best dribblers in the world, and yet he is one of the best at dribbling Inside of the Penalty Area. He rarely gives a bad touch when Inside the Penalty Area. Not everyone haves that coolness.

This is Why I think a few New Stats would come good.

And like you mentioned, New Special Abilities and Dribbling Styles and Animations... would be a significant improvement.

For example:

* Good Strikers should have unique Animations that are very effective for when Inside the Penalty Area. Animations like the Old Romario Turn, etc...

* Some Midfielders should have animations that work better for Midfield play.

* I think players like John Terry and Rio Ferdinand should be allowed to push and foul and get away with it. They get away with plenty of fouls because they make them look "unintentional".

And so on. Every Different Type of player should have a couple of unique features.

Be it by Stats or Special Abilities or New Animations.. whatever, point is that Konami needs to implement a New Feature to further define the differences between individuals.

 

[Alolo91]

They must fix more goalkeeper stats to.