Master League Must Improve

[shetland scot]

i have been playing the same master league since the game came out. i am currently in the 2017 - 2018 season. all was going well, developing new youngsters and making great signings.

i then ran into trouble with money in the game. when i looked at it i realised it was a joke. i was ac milan and when pato wanted a new contract he asked for 27,000,000 a year, what the hell is that about, that is more than double what real madrid pay ronaldo in real life. so at the end of the season i cant pay my wage bill and the players get released. i put players on the transfer market and they dont sell so what can you do. the transfer fees are also beyond the joke, a player valued at 8,000,000 and they ask for 70,000,000 what the FUCK. so either you play the master league for 5 years then quit and start again or you just lose all your good players for free. they try and make it realistic but its just not. you only make 30,000,000 if you win all the cups and league so how are you meant to afford a wage bill of 150,000,000 and a staff bill of 40,000,000. it is so stupid it makes me furious.

wage demands and transfers fees must be improved or the master league will die after 6 years and you lose all the development and hard work you put into your team.

has anyone else had these troubles, any thoughts??

 

[lazysod]

It's actually a bit of a slip up from Konami because the 8M that player you was after (from what I can tell) is his yearly wage, not his market value. That's why when you go to try buy him they come back to you with a huge number.

But your issue is the wage bill, and it's a good point which will no doubt have caught quite a few people out. You can't buy a team of 11 all stars and keep them for their whole career anymore, you simply can't afford to pay them all every season. Regarding Pato, he's a world class player, the longer he stays with you, the more he wins with you, the more expensive he becomes. His wages will go up and up and up. You have to be smart with your team, you have to realise you can't keep them all and you have to sell when it's time to sell.

My wage bill was at one stage 220M, it's now 43M. I sold all my players and started using a policy of just using players that come through my youth system. It's a lot cheaper and for me makes the game more of a challenge as I was winning everything so easily before. I recently passed the 1 billion pound mark in my team funds and I haven't bought a player in about 4 seasons. I cover my wages with my sponsorships and fan club income alone. I cover my staff wages with what I earn during the season and any player I sell on top of that is just bonus income.

But yes, you can't afford the all star team anymore. The only way you could possibly afford to have a team full of stars would be to keep buying talented cheap players and selling them off again for huge gains.

 

[shetland scot]

you are with what you are saying, the way you play is the only way to succeed. does this not bother you a little though. do you think that if wayne rooney told man utd that he was going to stay with them for the rest of his carrer that they would say no we cant afford you and pass him on? plus i think the wages are set way to high, they ask for so much money its mental. another problem i have is the transfer market. players do not move quickly so by leaving them on the transfer list and playing thenm every game they get upset with you and morale stays low. i had pato on the market for a hole seaon with an overall rating of 102 and i did not receive on offer for him and then he was released because i could not afford to keep him.

one last thing, arsenal have just bought two players adding up to 177,000,000 in one transfer window!!! i win all the cups so how can they afford to do that yet i cant keep my players due to wages.

i like the way you have played you master league, its a clever way of doing it but i feel the game has past reality and is forcing us as managers to like we are portsmouth when we are actually one of the top teams in the world.

 

[lazysod]

I agree the wages go up too high. I think players who you treat well, play regularly and have a full heart should want to stay at the club for a "fair" wage (depending on how good that player is).

Transfers can take a long time, I've got a defender on the market now who's been there a year and no takers (rated 92), although teams are looking. It's frustrating, I put a crap defender on the market at the end of the season and he was sold before I started the next season so it varies.

The other teams don't seem to have the same problems we do with money and wages. Big money signings all the time and lots of players on big wages, yet they don't win anywhere near enough to cover the costs of this. You could say it makes it more challenging but it's nice to have some logic to everything.

 

[maraduzza]

i always laugh at the way other teams can spend like massive cash on transfers and you win everything and are lucky to get anyone over 20mil say!!!ha ha

 

[shetland scot]

i always laugh at the way other teams can spend like massive cash on transfers and you win everything and are lucky to get anyone over 20mil say!!!ha ha

you could not be more right. i have won the champions league 3 years in a row and i got rejected by a 16 year old drogba rating 76, madness.

in reply to lazysod.

you've got it spot on even though there is a way to play the game and keep the wages down and win things its the logic that annoys me. i love doveloping players, my 16 year old striker is now european player of the year. but i still like to buy in talent where i am weak or buy players who i like in the real game, gourcuff for example 86,000,000 with 14,000,000 wages just not possible, its just the complete lack of logic that gets me.

 

[optimistic]

i agree

i have been playing the same master league since the game came out. i am currently in the 2017 - 2018 season. all was going well, developing new youngsters and making great signings.

i then ran into trouble with money in the game. when i looked at it i realised it was a joke. i was ac milan and when pato wanted a new contract he asked for 27,000,000 a year, what the hell is that about, that is more than double what real madrid pay ronaldo in real life. so at the end of the season i cant pay my wage bill and the players get released. i put players on the transfer market and they dont sell so what can you do. the transfer fees are also beyond the joke, a player valued at 8,000,000 and they ask for 70,000,000 what the FUCK. so either you play the master league for 5 years then quit and start again or you just lose all your good players for free. they try and make it realistic but its just not. you only make 30,000,000 if you win all the cups and league so how are you meant to afford a wage bill of 150,000,000 and a staff bill of 40,000,000. it is so stupid it makes me furious.

wage demands and transfers fees must be improved or the master league will die after 6 years and you lose all the development and hard work you put into your team.

has anyone else had these troubles, any thoughts??

hello there:

I have the similar problem, i am with FC barcelona in 2016-2017 season, and Messi's salary per year is over 20m euros, i roughly calcutated how much i will earn for this season, i am just about to be able to pay off all the team expenses, even by winning all the titles and cup than i can win, it is ridiculous that next season i will run into debt if i want to still keep Messi and Ibrah at the same time, must release at least 1 star player like Messi next season to keep the game running, i already released xavi, Millito and puyol to keep my wage bill low, but those star players salary just rise sky high, it is so stupid.

by the way, i already thought about starting ML all over again with a lesser team, and of course less salary for players per year, well, i choose carefully.

i dont think there is anything wrong with the way i played with barcelona, i like using star players to dominate matches and outrun slower junk players, also love nurturing younsters to make the team have strong and fast runners. I wont easily sell my talented youngsters to other teams just for cash, those young players will be my team's future i think.

i dont like the way my game with barca ends, just because not being able to pay up all the bills, it sucks.

some improvements definitely need to be made about this in next pes 2011.

 

[The Eristic]

wage demands and transfers fees must be improved or the master league will die after 6 years and you lose all the development and hard work you put into your team.

has anyone else had these troubles, any thoughts??

Yeah, at the end of my first ML season, I lost a dozen players through unresolvable negotiations, because I couldn't afford the raises they demanded and they wouldn't negotiate at all. Now that my team has become successful, players demand ≥1000% raises every season, regardless of loyalty and happiness, which pisses me off enormously. It's utterly absurd.

 

[pes09addict]

i have been playing the same master league since the game came out. i am currently in the 2017 - 2018 season. all was going well, developing new youngsters and making great signings.

i then ran into trouble with money in the game. when i looked at it i realised it was a joke. i was ac milan and when pato wanted a new contract he asked for 27,000,000 a year, what the hell is that about, that is more than double what real madrid pay ronaldo in real life. so at the end of the season i cant pay my wage bill and the players get released. i put players on the transfer market and they dont sell so what can you do. the transfer fees are also beyond the joke, a player valued at 8,000,000 and they ask for 70,000,000 what the FUCK. so either you play the master league for 5 years then quit and start again or you just lose all your good players for free. they try and make it realistic but its just not. you only make 30,000,000 if you win all the cups and league so how are you meant to afford a wage bill of 150,000,000 and a staff bill of 40,000,000. it is so stupid it makes me furious.

wage demands and transfers fees must be improved or the master league will die after 6 years and you lose all the development and hard work you put into your team.

has anyone else had these troubles, any thoughts??

Yo people,

Shetland, I totally agree with you!!! I just entered the 4 or 5 season of premier league with Ajax. I attracted Rooney, Torres, Ribery (from youth of another team), Obertan, Ferdinand(from sunderland) Verón (reborn), Gibbs, Gervinho (OSC Lille), C. Vela (substitute Arsenal which will become very good). At first they were not to expensive but now my players become very expensive, even the ones that were there from the beginning.

I'm allready struggling now to make enough money to pay the wages. The players that were there from the beginning are now asking alot of salary (they become very good though but it's rediculous.) Key is I think to buy well known players that reborn after they reach the age of 35-36 like V.Nistelrooy, Drogba, Lampard etc. but it's very frustrating I agree.

In one year I attract some star players and suddenly my wage bill double's because the other players grow in stats and salary also. Maybe Konami could fix this problem in a patch or something or change this in the next PES. In previous pes releases this wasn't the case!!

Cheers, Pes09addict

 

[lazysod]

I think something in between the two would be good for wages. In the past wages weren't even an issue, you could have a whole squad of world class talent and not have to worry about wages at all. Now it's the opposite, so something in between would be nice.

 

[weaponz248]

While i agree with both points. I think its kinda fun. You kinda got to know when to hold em and when to fold em so to speak. Hang on to that star player as long as you can and then transfer him for so big money right at the end of his contract. I know it sucks but it kinda makes you think more than just buying big name players and keeping them. It also makes you think should i sign this guy to a long term deal in hopes that he gets good or short term and hope i can resign him if he gets good. Its a fun little side game IMO.

 

[iammark]

I've just started out on PES2010's ML and I must admit I am on the fence on this issue.

I would love to keep the players I have developed through time and investment that it seems ridiculous if I played them for most of the time and they developed and love my club why the hell should they want so much money that I can't afford them and have to let them go?? Does this mean I should bench them or limit them at times to curb their growth and stop them from asking so much many when their contracts are up?

 

[iammark]

^Also, I haven't yet d/l any OFs. Anyone can recommend some? I'm looking for the German teams and full proper names for those funky teams in the ML. And also young new players like Iker Munian, Romelu Lukaku, etc.

Thanks a million!

 

[stottmeister]

some really good points, i play as spurs at the mo and have only just finished my first season so i cant yet comment on the wage issues. hopefully i can keep things ticking over with some sensible spending.

one thing i can comment on tho, and this must be rectified by the next release of pes is the penalties, this is just rediculous. some of the fouls, and they are fouls, which go un-punished inside the box are crazy.

i really cant wait for 2011 to be released but that will probably just raise more issues.

 

[RVD10]

Thanks for the person who improvespes 2010 master league

 

[iammark]

some really good points, i play as spurs at the mo and have only just finished my first season so i cant yet comment on the wage issues. hopefully i can keep things ticking over with some sensible spending.

one thing i can comment on tho, and this must be rectified by the next release of pes is the penalties, this is just rediculous. some of the fouls, and they are fouls, which go un-punished inside the box are crazy.

i really cant wait for 2011 to be released but that will probably just raise more issues.

Totally agree. Found the DIVE button controls the other day. Maybe should try diving more often to see if I get the pens.

Personally, I think Konami is a victim of its own success after making PES/WE into such a great game in previous editions that they constantly have to keep moving ahead of the curve and at an even greater exponential rate at that considering the growing expectations and demands of fans nowadays and the advent of downloadable upgrades.

Still, in Seabass we trust!

 

[PSS]

I can understand people's points and issues with this, but I actually find it rather realistic. Not only should wages increase by a minimum of a few percent each year as a matter of inflation, but footballer's wages are exponentially increasing all the time anyway. I remember when Manchester United broke their own pay structure to give into Roy Keane's demands of 40,000 pounds per week (around 2 mil per year). Nowadays that is a fairly normal wage for any good player in the top half of the table, or even lower. I believe this figure is close to what Hull are currently paying Geovanni, for example.

I haven't stuck with the same Master League for 6 years in a row yet, I've always started again as I found it too easy, but I'm pleased to hear that the game does have a way of staying challenging even if you win back-to-back trebles.

The aim of the game is to continually buy good younger players and judge when is the right time to sell them on. But, it should be easier to sell players. In the real world, whenever a good player becomes 'available' (read: on the transfer list), there are instantly several clubs reporting interest and at least 2 bids will materialise. I also feel that there should be an option, to say to your scout "I want to get rid of this player as fast as possible" or "I want you to wait for the best price". This would make selling your players a much more user-friendly experience.

Wit regards to money, what Konami should perhaps have done is also gradually increase sponsorship money and prize money as well, as more and more money comes into football. This would make each unit of currency less valuable each season, and encourage the player to spend.

 

[shetland scot]

I can understand people's points and issues with this, but I actually find it rather realistic. Not only should wages increase by a minimum of a few percent each year as a matter of inflation, but footballer's wages are exponentially increasing all the time anyway. I remember when Manchester United broke their own pay structure to give into Roy Keane's demands of 40,000 pounds per week (around 2 mil per year). Nowadays that is a fairly normal wage for any good player in the top half of the table, or even lower. I believe this figure is close to what Hull are currently paying Geovanni, for example.

I haven't stuck with the same Master League for 6 years in a row yet, I've always started again as I found it too easy, but I'm pleased to hear that the game does have a way of staying challenging even if you win back-to-back trebles.

The aim of the game is to continually buy good younger players and judge when is the right time to sell them on. But, it should be easier to sell players. In the real world, whenever a good player becomes 'available' (read: on the transfer list), there are instantly several clubs reporting interest and at least 2 bids will materialise. I also feel that there should be an option, to say to your scout "I want to get rid of this player as fast as possible" or "I want you to wait for the best price". This would make selling your players a much more user-friendly experience.

Wit regards to money, what Konami should perhaps have done is also gradually increase sponsorship money and prize money as well, as more and more money comes into football. This would make each unit of currency less valuable each season, and encourage the player to spend.

i agree with what you are saying that the wages should increase because a player will always look for a better contract, but as they get older the contract demands should not be so high. look at joe cole, he is older and getting a reduced wage. wages should increase but not at the level they do in the master league. ronaldo is currently getting 11 mil form real madrid. messi is making 29.3 mil a year including all sponsor ships. do you really think that in 6 years time pato will be getting paid 27 mil a year ac milan alone (thats 520,000 a week!), because i dont. the incrase in wage is far to extreme in the master league and makes it impossible to keep a hold of them.

 

[Antonyc1977]

Suggestion

Hi all.

Have you all tried negotiating with the players? As an example, Batistuta wanted £12m per season with a current salary of £9m. So I offered him £9.8m and we settled on £10m. Also, increase the length of the contract too.

 

[PSS]

According to recent figures you can find with google, the average Premier League club spends around 58% of it's turnover on players wages.

Maybe you could note down all your income over a season and see how your wage bill compares?

Have a look at the Premier League Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premier_League

This is the bit we're interested in:
"As a result of the increasingly lucrative television deals, player wages rose sharply following the formation of the Premier League. In the first Premier League season the average player wage was £75,000 per year, but subsequently rose by an average 20% per year for a decade, peaking in the 2003–04 season, when the annual salary of the average Premier League player was £676,000."

I know it says that wages peaked in 03/04, but it's pretty obvious they're even higher now, and the actions of clubs like Man City and Real Madrid fuel this. If player wages rise 20% per year, then in six years we can expect wages to be 298.6% of what they are now - three times higher. This means that whenever you tie a player down to a 5 year deal, he really should ask for three times more money in his next contract, even if he hasn't improved - if he has, let's say, from a 19 year old to a 24 year old, he should ask for much more. This is why (in the real world) players with 2 or 3 years left on their contract often re-negotiate.

Following this logic, it is quite conceivable that in 6 years time a young player like Pato could be earning as much in wages as Messi is now in all income put together, in much the same way as I'm sure Messi is now earning more in wages than Beckham or Ronaldinho was earning in total 6 years ago.

As for your point about Joe Cole taking a pay cut, the world is going through a global recession, and that's also affecting football. Surely you don't expect Konami to put that in the game?