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ML is too easy - ways to make it harder?

PSS

Registered User
I am about to start an ML for the fourth time, having found the first three offering little in the way of a challenge. I have set myself some rules to abide by in this game, in order to make the game more realistic and harder. I post them here for anyone else who finds the game too easy, and to hear others suggestions of other ways I can make the ML harder, more challenging, and more realistic. Let me know what you think, and any more that I might add.

1. First of all – obviously I want to play on the hardest difficulty level, and have always played on 5 star/top player, but I read a few weeks ago on a different PES fan site that 4 star is more difficult than 5 star… He was saying something along the lines of – the AI plays more conservatively on top player, making it harder to score against but also easier to defend, leading to lower scoring games, while playing one difficulty level down the AI is more aggressive, attacking more, but leaving itself more open. He stated that he definitely found it harder to play on 4 star (or whatever it’s called – one below top player). Does anyone know more about this?

2. Start with ML default players rather than real players - of course

3. Start in Division 2 - naturally

4. Start with a small club - lowest possible team ranking so as to start with as few fans as possible and as little money as possible, as well as sponsorship deals worth next to nothing.

5. No youth players to be promoted in first season - The players that you get in your first youth team are good enough to be promoted and immediately used. What's the point in starting with default players if you promote and play with a youth team XI instead? Players like Schwarz, Shimizu, Palmieri etc. are way too good to get in season 1.

6. Operating Costs: Permanently Level 1 Doctor and Fan Club - Injuries are WAY too rare in Pro Evo, and this is something that Konami needs to sort out, and should have been fixed years ago. In real life, no matter how good a club's medical staff is, they are dealing with half a dozen small injuries and niggles at any one time, as well as one or two long term ones. Look at Arsenal, or Man Utd this season - United have not been able to field their first choice defence at all for one reason or another. Level 1 Fan Club is to make new fans harder to come by and thereby restrict cash flow in later seasons.

7. Not allowed to increase operating costs IF already increased that month – this is in order to prevent a very simple ‘cheat’ which is that operating costs can be increased to level 5 for the first month of every year, for free, and benefits gained from top level coaches and scouts for 4 weeks at no cost to the player. If an operating cost is increased, it should not be decreased until next season. This is simply for the sake of realism – no backroom staff would work for a month for no salary. The only exception to the rule is youth team, because no benefit is gained from this being increased and decreased in the same month.

8. No negotiation of transfer fees, wages, or lengths of contracts. Take it or leave it – this is in order to reduce availability and increase the value of money. When any offer is on the table, consider it as a final offer, the best possible deal you or your scout could have negotiated for your team. When a contract comes up for renewal, the player must be given what he asks for, or let go. I am the kind of player who always tries to sign young players on long term deals so that I can still be paying them a pittance in 3 or four years when they are world class. Shorter contracts mean salaries are increased higher, more often. Salaries will get quite high after a few seasons, maybe to the point of forcing the selling of players simply to cut the wage bill, leading to some difficult choices. Also means that even after a few seasons, not every player in the squad will be a world beater, as some cheaper/younger players will be required to meet costs.

Are there any other ways in which I can challenge myself while also making the game more realistic? I know some people might suggest not buying certain players, not spending more than a certain amount on transfer fees (even not spending any at all and relying solely on youth players) or selling players once they get ‘too good’, but, for me, this lessens the enjoyment of the game – I should not have to try less hard or make bad management decisions in order to make the game a challenge – management is part of what makes the game fun. I don’t want to spend several seasons developing a player and then get rid of him because I have done a good job.

Any other suggestions would be welcome.
 

Fairbairn

Registered User
One of my fav things to do is try getting an all english team and even squad!

When not doing the english squad thing, i never sign the big players like rooney, messi etc. And i have a tendency to sign players i like in real life even if they a bit crap on the game.

Or there is always the option of signing a crap goalie, so they score more and you have to score more goals to win, gives higher scoring games too.
 

horo2

Registered User
@PSS :

yeah the all ways you explained above (except for the star difficult things) is enough if you want the maximum challange on ML,

but i have one question, do you turn on the Auto Save??if you have turned on this, and have done all things you explained above, but you still feel too easy, i mut be admited you that your skill on PES is amazing...
 

Fairbairn

Registered User
Also on the negotiation thing, when i want to make the game harder, i accept every offer for my players, good or bad!

I cant use the auto save feature tho, my game freezes way to often in the tunnel, so i would prob lose half the season for having to reset the ps3.
 

monita

Registered User
If you are a decent PES player, it will be difficult to make it easier. Since you are having all the skills and knowledge for the PES, especially Master League.

You can't not buying promising good players for your squad; you will likely not to refuse good transfer offers from other team.

As for me. I keep my squad size maximum of 25.. Although it's still quite easy :D
 

PSS

Registered User
One of my fav things to do is try getting an all english team and even squad!

This is a good point, and one that I have done in the past - thanks for reminding me!

yeah the all ways you explained above (except for the star difficult things) is enough if you want the maximum challange on ML

So are you saying that 5 star is definately harder than 4 star? It's not something I've bothered to 'research' myself, but I'd be glad to disregard it and simply play on top player all the time.

but i have one question, do you turn on the Auto Save??if you have turned on this, and have done all things you explained above, but you still feel too easy, i mut be admited you that your skill on PES is amazing...

Well, I have only just started this campaign - not sure I'll find it 'easy'... but it should be a bigger challenge than previously!

Also on the negotiation thing, when i want to make the game harder, i accept every offer for my players, good or bad!

Again this is something I have done in the past, so again thank you for reminding me - I will probably start doing this after a season or two. One option would be to sell any play who wants to leave - using the new feature this year that lets you know how the player feels about the proposed transfer.

I cant use the auto save feature tho, my game freezes way to often in the tunnel, so i would prob lose half the season for having to reset the ps3.

Yeah, I don't use the auto save for the same reason - if I can trust myself to follow all of these self-made rules, I think I can trust myself not to cheat by reloading cup ties.

If you are a decent PES player, it will be difficult to make it easier. Since you are having all the skills and knowledge for the PES, especially Master League.

You can't not buying promising good players for your squad; you will likely not to refuse good transfer offers from other team.

As for me. I keep my squad size maximum of 25.. Although it's still quite easy :D

Ooooh... I would really hate that - a max squad size of 25? I stuggle with the squad limit of 32... I really feel that there shouldn't be a squad size limit in the game, instead perhaps a salary cap given by the club chairman at the start of each season. Perhaps that's an idea though - self-imposed salary cap. Something to think about anyway...

Thanks guys for your help, and happy ML-ing :)
 

iammark

Registered User
Ooooh... I would really hate that - a max squad size of 25? I stuggle with the squad limit of 32... I really feel that there shouldn't be a squad size limit in the game, instead perhaps a salary cap given by the club chairman at the start of each season. Perhaps that's an idea though - self-imposed salary cap. Something to think about anyway...

That's a cool suggestion. Maybe you should post it on the Official Suggestion Zone for PES2011 for Konami to see! But more realistically, I doubt it'll happen because in real life, it just ain't happening is it?

To tweak it a little, why not hav a registration period whereby u are only limited to register X amount of players for certain tournaments (32 for the League/CUP 25 for UCL, etc.) by a certain deadline and various intervals of the season (for UCL can re-register upon the knock out stages) So you can build as big a team as you think you can afford but you can only use the players you registered even though you can still train or loan the rest out. :happy:
 

dudeski

Registered User
The best way is simply to pick a rubbish team and build them up into the stratosphere.

The game will always be boring if people start ML's as Real Madrid, Barca, United or ANY of the big and rich teams.
 

PSS

Registered User
That's a cool suggestion. Maybe you should post it on the Official Suggestion Zone for PES2011 for Konami to see! But more realistically, I doubt it'll happen because in real life, it just ain't happening is it?

To tweak it a little, why not hav a registration period whereby u are only limited to register X amount of players for certain tournaments (32 for the League/CUP 25 for UCL, etc.) by a certain deadline and various intervals of the season (for UCL can re-register upon the knock out stages) So you can build as big a team as you think you can afford but you can only use the players you registered even though you can still train or loan the rest out. :happy:

I think it does happen in real life, in the media you often see chairmen say to managers "You must sell before you buy". This is partly to mitigate the cost of the transfer fee, but mainly to control the wage bill, which is by far the biggest cost of a transfer (a player like Torres can be bought by Liverpool on a 5 year contract for less than 30 million pounds, but must then be paid over 10 million per year every year for those five years - even if they sell him again for, say, 50 million, they've still lost 30-odd million pounds, all in wages). The board don't care about the size of the squad 'per se', only the size of the wage budget.

I've got a whole list of suggestions, I posted most of them three weeks ago in the IWP comments under the name Joe Rhymes With Moe (see here: http://www.pesgaming.com/blog/pes-2...h-play-tuesday-16th-march-2010/#comment-36038), but I'm not sure I can be bothered to organize them any better than that and post it anywhere official. If you like what I wrote, you can post it yourself and claim the ideas as your own. I don't mind.
 

Fairbairn

Registered User
Iv started only signing players with between 60 and 69 overall stats, and (apart from a couple of faves) if players gets over 75 i sell them.
My highest ranking player is El Zhar on 79.
 

kaazz

Registered User
What about if I want to play an big club, such as Liverpool or Real Madrid, and I would like challenges? It's way more fun to struggle with a team like Liverpool, and in order to get titles, you will need to strenghten your squad, such as buying strong players. In real life the big clubs are struggling, while in pes, I sold Aquilani, Mascherano, and left me with Lucas, Gerard and Torres, kuyt and a few more shitty players, and that was enough for me to win the treble with an unstopable season...
Konami should start doing something about difficault for god's sake, It's god damn too easy and it's getting annoying,
 

Fairbairn

Registered User
With Gerard and Torres in your team, the game is never gonna be that difficult really. Use Liverpool but with the defaut ml players, its easier to start crap and build up, once you have a good team its not so easy to make them shit.
 

starstrika

Registered User
First I start with whatever team finishes bottom of a division, so my last two teams were Burnley (Lancashire Claret) and Grenoble Foot 38. I'm now on Tnr Azul (Tenerife) who are have a tiny squad. Then I deliberately accept bids for my experienced players and try to buy talented but inexperienced players- if I have enough money to build them up. I have also tried setting an age limit on players I buy, e.g. never buy over 26.

Anyone got an option file for foreign commentators as I'm getting bored of Jon Champion & Lawro. Spanish/Mexican would be fun.
 

wanna_be_dj

Registered User
I agree with the thread title. I find Master League very easy and always trying find ways to make it harder.
1/No one in my squad is over the age of 30
2/25 Max players
3/Signing players from youth system only
I was trying to get the whole United team back together as the majority have retired now, but Van Der Sar is being a w@nker.

Once I've won everything using those 3 I'm going to make either an all English team or an all GB team.
 

kaazz

Registered User
With Gerard and Torres in your team, the game is never gonna be that difficult really. Use Liverpool but with the defaut ml players, its easier to start crap and build up, once you have a good team its not so easy to make them shit.

What is the point if I want to play with real players, that means I shall have easy times? Where is all the fun of creating a magnificent team full of stars (or at least half) and conquer the game with a hardwork? How is that Chelsea, with her full stars, didn't win a title for 3 years in a row? How is that Real Madrid have builded twice the Galacticos, yet in both times they failed? Where is the god damn challenge with playing with real players, I don't want some randoms that will make me hard, I want to struggle while playing with liverpool with their normal roster.
 

James_dean

Registered User
There is one way to make it harder. Put alot of oil on to your gamepad so it becomes slippery. It should work
 
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