More difference in player speed

[iosonocanadese]

This must have been mentioned before but I can't find it. In PES, if Dean Windass and Thierry Henry were chasing a ball, there might be a slight difference in speed but not as much as there would be realistically. I felt the latest PES especially took away some of the speed differences - I'm not sure if this was intentional, but the super fast players SHOULD be noticeably faster in my opinion.

How often do two strikers find each other in a race for a loose ball? In football players usually don't sprint for long distances, therefore the difference in speed between players is less important. You don't often see a player just blow by a defender, unless they're a really crusty defender.

 

[shaun7]

^True, but some players like messi can outrun them with the ball easily. Dribbling speed and agility really matters in football.

 

[deadfrog]

How often do two strikers find each other in a race for a loose ball? In football players usually don't sprint for long distances, therefore the difference in speed between players is less important. You don't often see a player just blow by a defender, unless they're a really crusty defender.

I simply took the fastest and slowest players that sprang to mind, position is irrelevant in this case!

And I think you're wrong, the difference in speed between players is very important. Offensively, how many times do strikers get put through on goal, starting level with defence and just power away to score? And defensively, Kolo Toure at Arsenal is renowned for being a fast defender, it's a part of his game that he can keep pace with faster players. This is what I mean - it doesn't happen in PES.

 

[liverpoolsco]

How often do two strikers find each other in a race for a loose ball? In football players usually don't sprint for long distances, therefore the difference in speed between players is less important. You don't often see a player just blow by a defender, unless they're a really crusty defender.

I simply took the fastest and slowest players that sprang to mind, position is irrelevant in this case!

And I think you're wrong, the difference in speed between players is very important. Offensively, how many times do strikers get put through on goal, starting level with defence and just power away to score? And defensively, Kolo Toure at Arsenal is renowned for being a fast defender, it's a part of his game that he can keep pace with faster players. This is what I mean - it doesn't happen in PES.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6-HYzIAi4U
I would have a look at this video to see what is being talked about. There is a situation where Toure is able to get back and defend against Anelka and Anelka is not slow at all! Pace is definately a big part of the England League and international football so why shouldn't it be shown in the game. As for chasing loose balls, that is all down to the mentality of the player and there fitness... not down to there speed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXJ49qTXTvA&feature=related
You can't tell me that Henry's goal in this wasn't down to his pace and his ability to change pace quickly!

 

[deadfrog]

Exactly! I should have used video evidence, good thinking

 

[shaun7]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6-HYzIAi4U
I would have a look at this video to see what is being talked about. There is a situation where Toure is able to get back and defend against Anelka and Anelka is not slow at all! Pace is definately a big part of the England League and international football so why shouldn't it be shown in the game. As for chasing loose balls, that is all down to the mentality of the player and there fitness... not down to there speed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXJ49qTXTvA&feature=related
You can't tell me that Henry's goal in this wasn't down to his pace and his ability to change pace quickly!

Hey, but speed still counts. I can't imagine Ferdinand in a similar situation againt kaka.:laugh:

 

[liverpoolsco]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoToT4-WQ14

Have a watch of this.... First goal that Kaka scores its more down to mentality than just pure speed. He is the one who wants to get to that loose pass before anyone else even though its not a foot race to get to a loose ball half way down the pitch. Both are important pace and mentality. You coud be the quickest runner in the world but if you don't fancy it then your not going to do it, same goes for if your not the quickest you might still be determined and make yourself a pest and get back to be able to put a striker off!

 

[shaun7]

^Hey, I never said you were wrong. Actually mentality counts alot, but it's useless to have mentality and slow speed because you still won't get the ball.

 

[Halvdanson]

This must have been mentioned before but I can't find it. In PES, if Dean Windass and Thierry Henry were chasing a ball, there might be a slight difference in speed but not as much as there would be realistically. I felt the latest PES especially took away some of the speed differences - I'm not sure if this was intentional, but the super fast players SHOULD be noticeably faster in my opinion.

I agree. It's something that annoyed me in PES09. When chasing a through ball with Torres, Bellamy or another fast player like Robben against a slow stopper, they had the same pace even when Torres was facing towards the goal and the stopper against the goal! If this is fixed, I would be very happy indeed.

Another thing is that I missed in both 09 and the 10demo is an extra "kick" or sprint with a player that is known for having an extra gear. Torres has like an extra gear or two in which he accelerates past his opponents.

 

[Bite.Me]

In the demo try taking control of Puyol (83 top speed) and chase down Luca Toni (75 top speed, 71 dribble speed)...

You can get side by side, but you have to be pretty clear of him to be able to out run him!

This is ridiculous!!!

 

[Halvdanson]

In the demo try taking control of Puyol (83 top speed) and chase down Luca Toni (75 top speed, 71 dribble speed)...

You can get side by side, but you have to be pretty clear of him to be able to out run him!

This is ridiculous!!!

I find that rather realistic. A player of Puyol's size against Toni's size, when shoulder to shoulder usually lose the battle to win the ball back because of Toni's strenght.

 

[Bite.Me]

I find that rather realistic. A player of Puyol's size against Toni's size, when shoulder to shoulder usually lose the battle to win the ball back because of Toni's strenght.

Why would Puyol run shoulder to shoulder when he could run a little off and avoid being shoulder charged for the ball?

 

[Halvdanson]

Why would Puyol run shoulder to shoulder when he could run a little off and avoid being shoulder charged for the ball?

So you couldn't take the ball off Toni, using a little speed, run off and tackle at all? I haven't noticed it. If it's the case, then that should be fixed in the final product.

And allthough when shoulder to shoulder with a big player, it would have been nice, if you could battle a little with the big players for the ball. It's not always the size that matters, sometimes it's the aggresion.

 

[Noffica]

Konami's intentions are clear in light of their handling of an attacker's speed relative to a defender's when one recalls the situation of PES 2010. However, I am of the opinion that the implementation needs to modified.

In order to be true and proper, Pepe cannot keep pace with Messi, nor can Puyol keep pace with Ronaldo; these players are, in reality, lightning-fast sprinters who are famed and feared for their pace.

I even didn't feel any joy when playing against Barcelona and seeing Pepe actually keeping pace with Messi and throw him off his shot.

This isn't a one-off situation, as has already been mentioned, it's the most nagging/frustrating issue of PES 2011.

In comparison, the relative pace difference in PES 2010 is acceptable.

 

[2good4U]

What PES Team does wrong is they try to solve the problem, they should try to make it real. This caused AI cheating.

This is the sentence:
"but the super fast players SHOULD be noticeably faster in my opinion."

It says noticeably, not too fast.