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My rough guide to: Graphics cards and PES3

t1000v2.0

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T1000's rough guide to - Video Cards and PES3

Alot of people seem to be having problems with running PES3 on their PCs, which has given me an idea to write up a little guide on the cards that are likely to work well and those that will hardly get the game to run. I have seen many people ask a question about slowdown etc and then say they are using a card which is by no way supported by the game. So this is just a rough guide and not meant as a concise guide on video cards, so don't look into this religiously, it's just to give you an idea of what kind of performance to expect with certain bands of cards.

The lowest end cards which WILL NOT run the game This is the Conference division of graphics card.....ok it's more like a graveyard.

Anyone owning a:

RivaTNT
Matrox G400 or below,
Voodoo 3
Radeon 7500
Nvidia Geforce 2 ti/mx
or anything lower than these cards, do not even attempt to run the game, as they are totally unsupported.

I am going to divide most of the available compatable cards into 3 groups or classes, Class C-A

C class cards


Radeon 8500/9200
Nvidia Geforce 3 titanium
Nvidia Geforce 4 Mx 440
Nvidia FX 5200

These cards are the absolute bare minimum with which you can expect some performance. Even the rate of performance is not fixed as it depends on the rest of your system stats. You will probably get low quality, and low res 640x480 or 800x600 with no Anti Aliasing and or Anisotropic filtering. If you own any of these cards and are having problems go into control panel and turn down all your peformance enhancements or find the driver that gives you best peformance (it's not always the latest ones!)

B Class cards

Nvidia Geforce 4 Titanium 4200/4400 64/128mb
Nvidia Geforce FX 5600
Radeon 9500/9600 pro/9600 XT

These cards should run the game quite well, considering you have atleast 512mb of ram, and a CPU of atleast 1.6ghz. Expected resoluton would be 800x600 medium/high detail or 1024x768 low/medium. You may be able to take very basic levels of AA and AF, provided you have lots of ram and a top grade CPU.

A Class cards (The premier League)

Nvidia Geforce 4 Titanium 4600/4800
Nvidia Geforce FX 5800/5900 ultra 128mb/256mb
Radeon 9700/9700 pro 128mb
Radeon 9800/9800 pro/9800 XT 256mb

These cards shoud play the game with all the thrills on. 1024x768 res or higher, high detail with 4x/6x AA and 4/8/16x AF. Let's face it, if you have any of these cards then you are likely to have a good setup for gaming as regards to the rest of your pc. Usually if there are probs running the game with these cards then its likely to be a driver issue or something else, but not a hardware one.


Upgrading your card

This can be tricky. Do not buy into the myths spouted by certain retailers of video cards telling you anything, just to make a sale. Certain stores are over priced, over hyped and basically will con you to the heavens if you do not know a little about selecting a card. Avoid like the plague anything that is in the c class. I have been shocked to see that some of these cards are still selling at ridiculous prices. The one people get caught out with is the Geforce 4 MX. Geforce 4 sounds better than a geforce 2 or a geforce 3 right?.....wrong. It's core is still a Geforce 2 ti and is not a watered down GF4 Ti like what you can be made to believe.

The card of choice which comes just around £100 or a little over is the Radeon 9600. A great all round card with bags of peformance. This should be the target if you have a budget. If money is no obsticle...go for the beast, 9800 XT. Look around on the internet too. A few good websites for pc hardware are:

www.dabs.com/uk
www.komplett.co.uk
www.simply.co.uk



Finally, if you have any questions about anything in this guide, please post them up in this thread. BUT If you own one of those "obselete" cards.....I will have to track you down, rip the card out of your pc, throw it out of your window, then walk over to it, and press down hard with my size 8s until I hear a most satisfying crunch.

Happy PES3ing!!



T1
 

UberOne

Registered User
Radeon 8500 is a c class card?

Thats weird. I have a 9000 pro which is not even apparently as good as the 8500 and i can run it on 1024 * 768 on full settings with no slow down or anything. Runs perfectly. Is that expected or is my system making up for the graphics card? Its definitely miles and miles ahead of the mx440 cards.
My spec is:

2.5ghz p4
512mb pc2700 ram
40 gig 7200 rpm seagate barracuda
msi 648 max motherboard
 

t1000v2.0

Registered User
Well, you do have a damn good system too, but i was pondering on the 8500 being a b or a c, as it was ATI's rival to the Geforce 3 which make made me think, it should be a C. Thinking again though, it has better architecture than a GF3 so I guess it's one of those in-between cards. Another reason why i put it as a C, is because it's quite dated, and compared to the cards above it, has far older archtecture. Basically it's an older generation of video card, but can still hold it's own against the cards in it's class.

As for the 9000pro, I am surprised you are getting as much performance from it. Can you use any anti alisaing with it? Just generally, in game tests and benchmarks, the 9000pro has struggled. I guess also your cpu and ram are giving you a boost.
I did say though, that the rate of performance will depend on your system specs.

Even the rate of performance is not fixed as it depends on the rest of your system stats. You will "probably" get low quality

This is also bearing in mind that PES3, seems to require alot of juice, due to it's lack of optimisations for the lower end card.
 

UberOne

Registered User
Cool man i get ya. That makes perfect sense. ATI really did well to cripple the rest of the cards in their respected categorys eh?

As for whether my card can handle anti-aliasing or not, i dont have a clue. What is anti-aliasing and how do i turn it on?

Cheers man.
 

ghoul.ck

Registered User
hmm...i have a 9000..not a pro....512 DDR and a 2.6xp...i can get it fine on 800x600 and medium...my m8 has same ram and processor but a 9700 pro and his is a joy to watch on full settings...he has all card settings flat out(aa and af)...roll on pes4 when they optimise it...should be fine on low specs then too

off topic a bit Ti turn ya msn on a bit..i have goals to send
 

t1000v2.0

Registered User
(reply to off-topic) Oooooops, yeah, not been online much, just in and out, will be tomorrow, so send me those goals.

To Uberone, Anti aliasing is a technique used to smooth out rough edges on your graphics. Look at the outline of objects in games, and you will see some jaggyness. Bu turning on Anti aliasing, this will get rid of it, but at a cost of peformance....So the high your pc spec, the more AA you can turn on, thus giving you a sharper, crisper, jaggy free picture.

Anisotropic filtering is beautiful!! What it does, is that is polishes up the in game animation and scrolling for everytime a scene changes. You can really notice the difference. With both of these turned on though, you will need some seriously good hardware. That is why i wondered if you could get any of it or not.
By the way, what driver are you using with your card?
 

CtrlAltDel

Registered User
Anti-aliasing is a technique of blending bitmap-based images and text to reduce the stair-stepping or jagged appearance. In areas of transition, the edge pixels are blended to give a smoother appearance.

AF is the next step up from Tri-linear filtering and is true 3d filtering, and why it required a beefy system to do it, as it is incredibly bandwidth intensive. It is the filering based on texels too. A texel is a texture mapped pixel...that even progresses to volxels which are volume texels, but is beyond the scope of my post.

You can use various filter shapes that approximate the form of the ellipse for the several possible angles of the polygon. There are techniques like that that use between 16 and 32 texels from the texture maps. Using this requires an even bigger memory bandwidth and this is almost impossible on traditional rendering system, unless you use a very expensive memory architecture. Tile based rendering however save a lot of bandwidth and this allows the implementation of Anisotropic filtering. Anisotropic rendering will give a big visual improvement by giving you better depth detail and an accurate representation of texture maps on polygons that are not parallel with the screen.
 

xav_ned2000

Registered User
Is nvidia geforce 4 440 Go 64 the same as the mx 440?

This are my specs and it runs very slow.

pentium 4
2,53 ghz
512 mb ram
nvidia geforce 4 440 Go 64
7-10 gb free harddisk space.

Cant imagine that it runs so slow, any sugestions?

Tnx.
 

t1000v2.0

Registered User
I suppose a 440 go is nothing that far different from an mx 440...infact it could be a watered down mx 440. With the processer and ram that you have, a far better card would compliment your system.

As regards to why the game runs slow...it's not your system....its that poor graphics card yuo have....simple as.
 

jitch0t

Registered User
mine is AMD XP 2600 512 DDR and a GF4 mx440... dunno if it has nothing to do but i play with the same slowdowns when i run 1024x768 w/ high detail and 640x480 w/ low detail so...... IMO i don't think it's a graphic card problem these f%"·%$g slowdowns
 

CtrlAltDel

Registered User
if you want to discuss your slowdowns in more detail, please see the slowdown thread towards the top of this forum list page.
 

t1000v2.0

Registered User
jitch0t, listen an MX440 is a SHIT card, I am saying this outright and direct because it's the truth, with that card, you are likely to have problems on any res with any X amounts of detail on. If you have an MX440, then expect problems with PES3, the game does not like that card, that is all there is to it.

Sorry for my tone, but there is not much you can do to get much performance from that card.
 

Haz-e

Electronically Tagged
"Anyone owning a:

RivaTNT
Matrox G400 or below,
Voodoo 3
Radeon 7500
Nvidia Geforce 2 ti/mx
or anything lower than these cards, do not even attempt to run the game, as they are totally unsupported."

yay my cards in there 8D, I'm getting a new Radon which should be alright though
 

pin

Registered User
my computer has the following spec
Pentium4 1.6 GHz
512 MB RAM
WIN XP
ATI RADEON 9800 PRO

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