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My thoughts on PES 2014 1.02

anonymadde

Registered User
I enjoy playing now. Simple as that. The shots seem more well-balanced, the defenders aren't Usain Bolt and the flow of the game seem a little better. You're on to something here Konami, this is the best soccer game i've ever played.

Too bad you released a half-done game instead of this. I hope you realize how much trust you've lost from us fans.

There are still things to work with:

1: Pretty simple one. When i press L1+X to set up a 1-2 pass before the the first player has touched the ball, the marker often changes to another player. really annoying. Same thing when you trigger a player run with L1+R1 before your player has touched the ball, the same thing happens.

2: The goalies still remain the only ones on this planet who aren't bound of the laws of physics. Doesn't matter if they have their weight on their left foot, they can still take insanely jumps to the right. Have you seen a real soccer game? Sometimes the keepers never even attempts to throw themselves to save the ball. That often happens when they have their weight on the wrong foot, and professional players can see that and take advantage of it.

For an example: I took my chances with a shot from about 25-30 meters. I saw on the radar that the goalie was i little bit outside from the goal. The shot was great. the goalie however first moved a couple of step backwards before throwing himself really long to save the shot, who in real life would've been a goal a 100 of 100 times. The law of physics claims that this is impossible.

The goalie also tends to place themselves really bad, leaving an empty net in certain situations.

And still, in tight angles they can't save shit. They throw themselves on their ass and wawes with some karate kid move. Come on Konami, haven't you spotted this yourselves?

To sum up: Goalkeepers still suck.

3: My own defenders still looks like chickens on LSD sometimes. I had my centerback to man-mark the opponents center forward. The opponents plays a throughball to his winger, and i have my wingback up against him. For some reason, my centerback move himself out to the flank to cut off the angle of the winger, not taking any notice that my wingback already is there, leaving their centerforward unmarked in the center of the field. The winger off course then plays the ball to the centre to have the centerforward free with my goalie. This would'nt happen even in pee wee soccer.


4: Feints and speed variations still have responsive problems.

5: I play with the D-Pad, which means i change my strategies on the L3 button. It happens at least a couple of times per game that i accidently touches the L3, which changes the strategy. Perhaps you can find a solution to this problem, like you have to trigger it with L1+L3 to avoid this.

5: Master League still sucks. All the progress you've made with Master League the last years have suddenly disappeared.

6: The formations. Why can't i create my own formations like in PES 2013? and why can't i return to the teams default strategy when changed? For example: I play with Atleticó Madrid in the master league. I played with the default strategy, until one match against Barcelona. Barcelona had kicked my ass big time in the last game we played, by completely dominate the midfield. So i tried a new formation, the 3-2-3-2. Success! But when i after the game went in to the tactics menu to change the formation back to the default, that wasn't possible.

And i still want the possible to move every single players position how i want, and give them the roles that i want. Now the formations decide which role a player should have, i can't decide to let my winger stay on his position but take the role as an offensive midfielder, or vice versa. And i cant move my wingers to the centre if i want to. You must fix this!

Greetings from Sweden
 

ezraheadstone

Registered User
Hi mate,

My thoughts after the patch..

When you use analog button ps3 to move players, there is still a delay. For me this is big issue when facing users who use traditional arrow button for movement. Before i pass the ball or avoid marauding fast players, the ball was stealed.

The fact that your opponents mainly use small and fast strikers run through your helpless defenders, waiting their midfield to serve long through pass is ridiculous. Changing leagues won't help..they're everywhere..

Bear in mind i play tactical and possession game, not swift counter long ball attacks like most players (just admit it). So maybe i am like 2% of pes players who play this kind of football. Yawn..

Verdicts:
- Improvement on frame rates to avoid laggy menus
- Gameplay is slighty improved but not for every players
- I feel everything was simply "turbocharged", the fast reactions on some players a bit unreal as i feel there is no smoothness on the rapid movements.

Should i just play FiFa? So i can play slow tempo possession football? :(
 

doctordiavolo

Registered User
Hi mate,

My thoughts after the patch..

When you use analog button ps3 to move players, there is still a delay. For me this is big issue when facing users who use traditional arrow button for movement. Before i pass the ball or avoid marauding fast players, the ball was stealed.

The fact that your opponents mainly use small and fast strikers run through your helpless defenders, waiting their midfield to serve long through pass is ridiculous. Changing leagues won't help..they're everywhere..

Bear in mind i play tactical and possession game, not swift counter long ball attacks like most players (just admit it). So maybe i am like 2% of pes players who play this kind of football. Yawn..

Verdicts:
- Improvement on frame rates to avoid laggy menus
- Gameplay is slighty improved but not for every players
- I feel everything was simply "turbocharged", the fast reactions on some players a bit unreal as i feel there is no smoothness on the rapid movements.

Should i just play FiFa? So i can play slow tempo possession football? :(


yesgo have fun with fifa!!!!!!! konami fkd up with this version
 

anonymadde

Registered User
I have spotted some more errors that need to be fixed.

1: When you play with advanced shooting, players still suck to take take direkt shots. they stop the ball first, then takes a shot, which often leads to that the defenders steal the ball. Really frustrating when you have a good opportunity for a header, and the player decides to chest the ball down instead of taking a direkt header, or when you have an open goal and just need to put the foot on the ball to score, but the player stops the ball first before taking the shot. I can't believe this error hasn't been fixed yet.

2: Defenders. always the defenders. Sometimes they just stop playing and raise their hand because a potential offside, but if the ref doesn't blow the whistle, the AL can keep playing and my defender then is a couple of metres away. really annoying. Also, when the Al takes a shot and my goalkeeper makes a rebound, sometimes my defenders suddenly stops playing, letting the Al score on the rebound, without even attempt to get to the ball first.

3: Through balls. You play a great throughball, your CF runs forward to catch it, and when he's only a couple of steps away, he suddenly starts sacking, letting the Al defenders catch up and steal the ball. WTF!!!!??? That is the biggest peace of shit in this game. When you running to catch a thorughball, you never lower your speed. Never. Never ever. Come on Konami, this is NOT realistic at all.

4: I generally like the 1-2 playing. However, it would be nice if the player performing the second pass used his brain and adjusted the pass after the first players position, and due to the presence of defenders. I don't know how many great scoring opportunities who's gone to waist because the second pass is played way too long, and with no consideration of where the defenders are. A long second pass should only be played if there is enough space. In the tight midfield play, the second pass should only be shorter passes, becuase often there isn't space enougn to play a longer pass.

5: The players who slidetackles gets up really slow. This makes it pretty useless to use the sliding tackle, because even if you pull it off correctly, your player takes way too much time on getting up, which often leads to the Al taking controoll off the ball. These are athletes Konami, it shouldn't take 1-15 seconds in gametime to get up.

6: The feints are slow responding, making them useless in most situations.This is very unrealistic, because in real life soccer, most feints are executed on pure instinct. take a look at this and fix it, please.

7: The AI of my own team sucks. When i tackle the opponent AI, it would be nice if my own team AI goes for the loose ball when hes standing right next to it. But no.

8: Al opponent NEVER tries long shots. Never ever. Realistic?

9: Fix the camera angles! It happens all the time that the ball or my controlled players disappears from the picture, because the camera can't keep up. FIX NOW, no excuses

To be continued
 

anonymadde

Registered User
Responsiveness still is terrible and unrealistic.
Player behaviour is stupid as f.... Sorry.

Yeah i agree with you.

The dribbling and the feints are terrible. the more i practise to learn, the more i realize how muxch it sucks. The responses sucks. When im one on one with a defender, it's about 50/50 if the feint gets pulled off. If it do, it is another 50/50 chance if the defender breaks it or gets fooled. Even with messi, ronaldo, zlatan, it is still really hard to pull them off correctly. Wtf?

The AI can dribble pretty much in any situations. For us, it is pretty much impossible to pull off a feint when you get a ball and have a defender close to you. Because the responses are terrible. This makes the game very unrealistic.

What buggs me even more is that whenever my players get tackled, they get dazed and confused for a while, so that they don't attempt to win the ball back immediately. When i tackle the AI, they dont have the problem.

Another problem is The AI controlled members of my team who takes really stupid decisions. Why is my CB running out to the flank, leaving the CF free in the middle? Why doesn't my teammates attempt to reach the ball once the player controlled by me gets tackled? You can't control every player on the field on the same time, that's why it is important to have an AI who takes logical decisions, like in real-life football.

The AI-defenders also have an ability to stay unrealistic close to my players, in a way that i can't, and it just doesn't work that way in real football. Their reaction sometimes is close to perfect, so it looks that they know what i'm about to do at the same time that i pull it off.

And why is the my players sometimes slow down seconds just before reaching a throughball!??

I really hope Konami take this seriously and starts working on it immidiately.

And once again. Fix the wide camera mode! The controlled players and the ball disapppears out of the picture once the ball isn't in the middle of the screen. The player and the should ALWAYS be centralized.
 

anonymadde

Registered User
Oh, and i almost forgot. Sometimes when my player is just about to reach a ball, the game suddenly switch the player that is controlled, making my player stop just before reaching the ball. Looks really stupid and is really frustrating
 

anonymadde

Registered User
Excuse me for posting reply after reply in my own thread, mbut that's just my therapy :)

Today i once again stopped playing. Yeah the patch did great things for the poor excuse of a game that was released, but i still get really frustrated with the game. It isn't fun to play for more than an hour at the most, because i get so mad on certain aspects of the game. This time it was the dribbling/feints who got me off, just because THEY REALLY SUCK. I wont play the game no more, i just can't keep playing a game who makes me so mad.

There is definetely potential in PES 2014. It could maybe turn out to be a great game, but then Konami needs to work on all the details that i've mentioned above.

As for me, i'm out for now. If the next patch can fix the problems i hope to return. I thing Konami ows us fans so much to regain our coinfidence, because at this moment it's close to zero. Next patch must fix all of this things, and as for PES 2015, Konami can't afford to release a game who is nothing else than perfect from the start. I must say it is pretty impressive to make one of the most loyal fanbases in the world of gaming to get so pissed off.

adios
 

Pohjoinen

Registered User
Hey all, I agree on most of the posts above, I have had similar issues during gameplay.. But my main problem involves something else:

I made the Finnish premier league (Veikkausliiga) to replace former league of non existing teams. The league actually has 12 teams in reality, but the lowest modification is 14, so there is 14 teams (Hopefully there's a possibility in the future to make smaller 1st Division to master league than the current 14 teams in premier league and 20 in 1st division)..

After the latest update, KONAMI transformed almost every face in my custom league to look the same (I had chosen most of the faces from non existing players to look somewhat the same way as the existing player in reality). The change was disappointing, I don't really get the idea, why all of them must have the same face. This slows down my project..

It would be great if there could be options of what parts of my game will be updated. I hope that KONAMI won't mess up my custom league in the next update, I'm trying to find ways to prevent that. Now working on the faces in my custom league so they won't all look the same way..
 

Pohjoinen

Registered User
As point one says data packs (DLC) will reset the squads to default, but any other changes you make won't be effected. As an example if you create the Championship the league name/logo won't change, the team names/logos/kits won't change any players you have edited/created won't change, but if you move a player from another team to one of those teams they will be removed.

Found this message from other topic that involves editing of the game.. Sounds great that after I'm done editing the league and a new update comes, KONAMI only mess up my team squads, but the faces and stats of the players as well as the team kits and logos etc. stays the same..
 
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