Obvious handicapping/scripting. Remove it or give me refund

[LanceButters]

So disappointed. After Adam Bhatti told me there was no scripting i decided to buy it.


But there is defenitely scripting, which is annoying. The game even avoids you from defending in the box, in order to provide a goal for the opponent. Sometimes a goal is planed by the game long before the goal happens. You will notice that everything fits, like players open their lags to be nutmegged then after you can't reach the ball and so on.


Makes all no sense this game. Everyone that considers to spend real money in this game for coins, might as well flush the money into a toilet.


Konami creates and awesome game, then has to ruin it with scripting. I am not mad about losing, i wasn't even losing. It's just the fact that a another football game is rigged online.


Konami isn't any better than EA.

 

[daveyc17]

Really? Oh no, it's you again. No surprise there then

 

[TeknoBug]

I haven't encountered any obvious scripting yet, a few moments I thought where the CPU had an unusual advantage but that can happen, but not an entire match where you lose an advantage no matter how hard you play. It's blatantly bad in EA games and EA straight up denies it, yet it's being brought up every single day by lots of different people.

Passing isn't a walk in the park in this game especially when in the box, those coming from FIFA will notice it right away so you have to be quick off your toes.

Right now you can't buy coins until next Thursday, we'll see what happens until then.

 

[LanceButters]

I haven't encountered any obvious scripting yet, a few moments I thought where the CPU had an unusual advantage but that can happen, but not an entire match where you lose an advantage no matter how hard you play. It's blatantly bad in EA games and EA straight up denies it, yet it's being brought up every single day by lots of different people.

Passing isn't a walk in the park in this game especially when in the box, those coming from FIFA will notice it right away so you have to be quick off your toes.

Right now you can't buy coins until next Thursday, we'll see what happens until then.

I know the passing is more difficult, which is fine that way. But what i am talking about is Handicapping. The game made my player stop and switched to somewhere else (even though on w/o assist), so my opponent can score. This isn't the only case. It's just happened so often by now, so i point it out.

But you guys will realise it very soon. Don't worry.

 

[JonnerLFC]

So disappointed. After Adam Bhatti told me there was no scripting i decided to buy it.


But there is defenitely scripting, which is annoying. The game even avoids you from defending in the box, in order to provide a goal for the opponent. Sometimes a goal is planed by the game long before the goal happens. You will notice that everything fits, like players open their lags to be nutmegged then after you can't reach the ball and so on.


Makes all no sense this game. Everyone that considers to spend real money in this game for coins, might as well flush the money into a toilet.


Konami creates and awesome game, then has to ruin it with scripting. I am not mad about losing, i wasn't even losing. It's just the fact that a another football game is rigged online.


Konami isn't any better than EA.

Seems rather ironic the exact problem FIFA has and suddenly someone pops up trying to degrade PES15 (or is it a coincidence)

One simple logic tells me you are a FIFA fanboy, if there was an engine you would have to win many many games before an engine would kick in to reduce your ability to that of your opponent. So for that simple reason there is absolutely no truth in what you are suggesting.

Go back to FIFA 15 and enjoy the engine that dictates scorelines and leave us in peace.

 

[Swanee]

I can live with a little bit of scripting so long as it's not over powering ala fifa and some pes titles before now. Can someone tell me as i've been away from pes last couple of years...do you still concede scripted goals in the 45th and 90th minute like you used to before in previous series?

 

[LanceButters]

Seems rather ironic the exact problem FIFA has and suddenly someone pops up trying to degrade PES15 (or is it a coincidence)

One simple logic tells me you are a FIFA fanboy, if there was an engine you would have to win many many games before an engine would kick in to reduce your ability to that of your opponent. So for that simple reason there is absolutely no truth in what you are suggesting.

Go back to FIFA 15 and enjoy the engine that dictates scorelines and leave us in peace.

Mate, why would i buy the game, if i was a fifa fanboy? I didn't even buy fifa 15. Ofcourse fifa has, that's why i switched to pes. But PES has aswell.

But that's fine. You guys don't seem to know the game well enough yet. But lets wait some time.

 

[IronCity]

Seems rather ironic the exact problem FIFA has and suddenly someone pops up trying to degrade PES15 (or is it a coincidence)

One simple logic tells me you are a FIFA fanboy, if there was an engine you would have to win many many games before an engine would kick in to reduce your ability to that of your opponent. So for that simple reason there is absolutely no truth in what you are suggesting.

Go back to FIFA 15 and enjoy the engine that dictates scorelines and leave us in peace.

I believe he is reporting on an observation. Not really prudent to just denigrate. I was happy he reported. FIFA has nothing to do with it other than he is comparing he sees the same behavior in each game.

Lets drop the fanboy talk before it gets out of hand.

 

[JonnerLFC]

I believe he is reporting on an observation. Not really prudent to just denigrate. I was happy he reported. FIFA has nothing to do with it other than he is comparing he sees the same behavior in each game.

Lets drop the fanboy talk before it gets out of hand.

Ok apologies for the fanboy talk.

 

[baangus]

You guys don't seem to know the game well enough yet. But lets wait some time.

Good luck with that refund...

These games - FIFA and PES - have scripting, have always had scripting, and will always have scripting. But let's be clear what scripting is. It means in certain situations, the CPU will shift into various attack or defend strategies. Is that bad? No, that's what real teams do. If a real team is down by a goal late, it will ramp up its attack. And when defending a late lead, it will tighten its defense and waste time. It would make for a pretty dull game otherwise.

What scripting DOES NOT do, is guarantee the CPU will score when it needs to. You can always tighten your defense and prevent the CPU from scoring. There is no predetermined cheat coding in these games, in other words.

If you're saying there is scripting in the game of the former variety, you are correct. If you are saying there is scripting of latter type, you are 100% wrong and you need to learn how to change formations and tactics to prevent the CPU from scoring when it shifts into attack mode.

 

[TeknoBug]

But let's be clear what scripting is. It means in certain situations, the CPU will shift into various attack or defend strategies. Is that bad? No

I've been playing a lot of master league matches, and that's basically what I've been seeing. Same goes in myClub. None of that multiple game streaks of losing even when you put 150% effort into them or wins that you shouldn't deserve like in FIFA (and other EA Sports games).

 

[IronCity]

I think the original post is referring to the game obstructing our players AI from working the same way it does all game prior to the moment that magic 90th min goal is scored.

Suddenly, our AI defenders are way out of position. I have complained in other threads that these
AI impairments are what the difficulty levels are based upon rather than the CPU's increased ability. Or suddenly, our ability to pass becomes impaired because we have entered the opponents box and then becomes even more impaired at higher difficulty levels.

I find this topic the most interesting because these examples show so obviously in FIFA this year and I am trying to read these PES posts to determine whether or not I will purchase.

 

[baangus]

I've been playing a lot of master league matches, and that's basically what I've been seeing. Same goes in myClub. None of that multiple game streaks of losing even when you put 150% effort into them or wins that you shouldn't deserve like in FIFA (and other EA Sports games).

Sorry, what are you seeing? I'm not clear what you're saying here. Neither game has predetermined cheat coding is what I was saying. In FIFA, the all-out attack scripting it's just more pronounced and obvious.

 

[baangus]

I find this topic the most interesting because these examples so obviously in FIFA this year and I am trying to read these PES posts to determine whether or not I will purchase.

If you have the PC version, there are game code edits that remove the attack scripting in FIFA. That's what I've done and FIFA 15 is now the most balanced game I've played in years, essentially no scripting at all.

With PES 11 I found it unbearable as my CPU-controlled defenders would do obvious things like step sideways out of the way to allow CPU attackers to walk in on my GK. But again, this is not scripting of the predetermined, "CPU will score" variety. It just requires using high defend formations and tactics when the situation calls for it. But very few people do that.

 

[Rat Monkey]

These games - FIFA and PES - have scripting, have always had scripting, and will always have scripting. But let's be clear what scripting is. It means in certain situations, the CPU will shift into various attack or defend strategies. Is that bad? No, that's what real teams do. If a real team is down by a goal late, it will ramp up its attack. And when defending a late lead, it will tighten its defense and waste time. It would make for a pretty dull game otherwise.

What scripting DOES NOT do, is guarantee the CPU will score when it needs to. You can always tighten your defense and prevent the CPU from scoring. There is no predetermined cheat coding in these games, in other words.

If you're saying there is scripting in the game of the former variety, you are correct. If you are saying there is scripting of latter type, you are 100% wrong and you need to learn how to change formations and tactics to prevent the CPU from scoring when it shifts into attack mode.

100% agree. Nobody is being cheated. The scripting is exactly as baangus says. I think a lot of people confuse what the scripting does, because it's very easy to the blame it on anything you want to as an excuse for losing, when you know its exists in some form. The only scripting I've noticed is what baangus wrote. I've never felt cheated. For example, the AI can pick up its intensity in attacking, the script is only controlling things like that. It's not trying to stop me doing anything. I just need to be more on my toes as the AI has upped its game.

Bad responsive issues are down to bad programming, which we know exist anyway, e.g. dodgy cursor change, not scripting.

 

[baangus]

100% agree. Nobody is being cheated. The scripting is exactly as baangus says. I think a lot of people confuse what the scripting does, because it's very easy to the blame it on anything you want to as an excuse for losing, when you know its exists in some form. The only scripting I've noticed is what baangus wrote. I've never felt cheated. For example, the AI can pick up its intensity in attacking, the script is only controlling things like that. It's not trying to stop me doing anything. I just need to be more on my toes as the AI has upped its game.

Bad responsive issues are down to bad programming, which we know exist anyway, e.g, dodgy cursor change, not scripting.

Well, I agree with most of what you said. But in both games, scripting does seem also affect my CPU-controlled teammates, I've seen it more in PES than FIFA. When the CPU ramps up its attack, my players often become stupid, run in the opposite direction of the CPU ball carrier, etc.

It's easy to defend in FIFA though because the CPU attack mode stuff happens at pretty specific times in the match: opening kickoff, last few minutes of the half, etc. So at those times, I just pause the game, adjust my line sliders to defend settings (lower them to 20), and hit the d-pad and select high defend tactics. This brings all my players back to help defend. It doesn't make my players play better, it works because the CPU has a tough time scoring with so many bodies back there to block passing and shooting lanes.

 

[Rat Monkey]

[MENTION=207223]baangus[/MENTION]

The only thing I've noticed in respect to what you said about players running in the opposite direction is very bad programming. For example, if I take control of player behind an attacker but my AI teammate is there in front of him and can stop him and make the tackle, the game tries to let me control the scenario rather than letting the AI tackle, even though he's better placed. The AI backs off as a result. This happens often enough no matter the time or scoreline.

Another scenario when it happens is when the AI defenders pull away to cover another an attacker running off the ball, instead of tackling the ball carrier even though he's in a great position to do it.

The programming gets confused between trying to give you full control and also trying to cover other players. At the end of the day, it's AI, not human. Its alot easier for a human to read what is the right thing to do, rather than an AI. It looks extremely like that to me anyway. I think its far too easy to blame scripting than actually thinking of other alternatives and the inherent limitations of a programme compared to a human.

 

[Ali]

Scripting is part and parcel of football games. It's frustrating as hell, but it's always gonna be there. The trick is to not make it noticeable!
If you think PES is bad, try playing Fifa 15! Far worse than any PES game I've played.

 

[LanceButters]

The Ai scripting isn't even the biggest problem. The problem i had is, that the game disables my abilities. Simply abilities like clearing the ball that is in front of me. So if i had a software to cause this for my opponent, wouldn't it be considered as "cheating"?

 

[IronCity]

The Ai scripting isn't even the biggest problem. The problem i had is, that the game disables my abilities. Simply abilities like clearing the ball that is in front of me. So if i had a software to cause this for my opponent, wouldn't it be considered as "cheating"?

I'm with you LB. I used the word cheating and someone on this site came up with a better name of sabotage, which works perfectly as the description.