Pes 2011 (full game) my review

[Typho2k]

Sooo, review time.. Yes, the game pees all over Fifa this year.. but there are a few things that keeps this game from being 10/10 for me, and that is:

- Player switching: It's sort of.. unresponsive and targets wrong player, and the CPU really knows how to abuse that vs me.
Ex. The CPU is trying to run through the middle of the pitch through my defense, and there's a player at each side of him, but they just stand there all confused.. they just look at each other saying ''should I run after him or you wanna do it instead?'', and by the time the decision is made, it's already a GOOOALL.. yay

tl;dr: Player switching needs to be fixed, it wasn't this bad in previous games as I can remember.

- Defense: Player switching plays a part in this too, but we don't get enough control over the defense. Maybe unless you're super good, it's almost impossible to protect yourself from the cheating AI's throughballs. When these through balls is made, the defenders either run forward to try intercept the ball and gets super pwned, totally unable to reach it... or they run straight backwards and.. still get owned. It seems to me that the curved through balls is just imbalanced vs the defense which you havent got too much control over.

tl;dr: defenders are not that intelligent, and they don't really work as a team when defending.

- AI: As mentioned above... the AI is just too focused at abusing the terrible intelligence of the defense and keeper. Yes, the keeper is actually good, but not when it comes to more tricky tasks, like when the ball bounces off this and this player, then it's like ''ayy.. konami didnt tell me how to act in this situation!!'' then you just cross your fingers that the ball hits the crossbar or that you manage to get your player to block the ball or soooomething.
And the freekicks... they do not score too often... only when they need to... like in champions league matches and more important events, which is like gamebreaking. The only way to deal it is lining up a player where you think the ball will hit to protect the goal.

tl;dr: AI are almost only able to score vs me with lame goals that you got NO chance of stopping since defending is so limited in terms of controls... .. imo

It's ALMOST.. only almost feeling ''samey'' every match because it's all about doing that merciless, unstoppable curved through balls that is way to easy to hit through the clueless defense. The gotta make the through ball less ''IWIN!''ish

If everything written above had been fixed, then it would have been very very close perfection for me.

Go out and buy PES 2011, Konami deserves the money this year for turning such a broken game (pes2010) to what it is now, it's like living in 2000 (or was it 2001?) again and playing the first pes for ps2.

So if they (konami) keep improving the game and don't get lazy again, then PES 2012 will be :O :O :O :O :O

Another tl;dr:
- Give us more buttons and options when defending for more control. (which totally could be their selling point for next year.. ''Revolutionized defending system!!!.. which Fifa is also going to steal in 2013!!..'', I mean.. first they steal r1 sprinting, then the pressing system.. it probably doesn't stop there either..)

- Fix the lame cheating AI, I always know when the AI is gonna score, it's just sooo predictable, and there is nothing you can do about it, unless you get lucky... (or actually have l2p'ed which I clearly havent )

- Do something with the clueless player switching.


And that was my super long post. Byyeee

 

[FootballAdikt]

You seem to be pretty mad about the AI in the Defense, and the player switching. I have to agree with you. I just finished my first ML and my season ended with 22W 22D 12L

and of those 12 loses I can only think of 1 that seemed legit. The rest was just the defense blunder, by the time I switched to the right player, GOAL , it just seems so..... broken. I don't know how else to say it. Anyways.

 

[pard]

I agree player switching is for shit now. They should copy the right analog stick from Fifa. Also is pretty frustrating you can't outrun 40 year old defenders with Messi.

 

[FootballAdikt]

the more and more you play the game, the more you start to see we've been tricked...anyone else agree?

 

[Typho2k]

the more and more you play the game, the more you start to see we've been tricked...anyone else agree?

nah, konami did a great job... a really good job imo, but it is these few small things, which should be easy to fix that make it seem worse than it really is, everything else is nice. Like the pace, the passing ('cept for thru passes..), dribbling, shooting, ball physics, responsiveness, graphics, player personality and likenesses and it's just fun...

But because of these small problems, I know that every time I play this game, I'm going to play a match where the AI is gonna frustrate me so much that I feel like burning the game, then buy a new one and burn that too. But because everything else feels so smooth and awesome, I just can't stop playing it.. and it's better than fifa, so it's not all bad I guess

 

[forzamilan84]

for player switching, use semi-assisted. in terms of outrunning defenders, you need to double tab run for the fast run (note less control).

but yes, they could do a better job.

and you are right, the cpu is exceptional at one-time through passes.

 

[Athlon_]

I think it may be harsh to criticise the defending system in 2011 too much. I know defending is difficult, but then it really is difficult.

PES2011 forces you to think about positioning first, and you cannot just wander up to a player, press A and expect to tackle.

You have to actually think about what you are doing, which really puts PES2011 onto another level.

As for through balls, again you are right they are tricky to deal with, but again they are in real life as well.

If a player in real life puts through a perfect through pass there is not alot you can do, you jsut have to recover as best you can and make any shot they have as difficult as possible.

A few things I have learned over the years about defending in PES:

- ALWAYS have at least one (preferably two) DMF sitting right infront of the CB's.
- Never commit your CB's unless there is no other option.
- Know which foot the attacker prefers and show him onto his weak one.
- Have your defence relatively deep, so that the GK has a chance to collect through passes before the striker reaches the ball.
- Play with two wide players - SB and SMF - so you can double team to stop crosses and wide player dribbling.
- Consider man marking playmaker threats.
- Always have 3 players in the central midifield area. This makes it asier to keep possession and to win it back quickly. Also encourages teams to play down the sides where they are less of a threat.

 

[Athlon_]

If you wanna have a go at the defence, I'd suggest looking at the stupid own goals the AI scores. I had two in two games yesterday, the AI teams defender managed to head the ball into his net when it was easier to head it anywhere else. I have seen alot of own goals in the game so far. Funny. But Stupid :huh:

 

[ehsancgfx]

do you know there is a setting called semi assisted and unassisted exists ? in player slide select screen press the squire button and u will get it. hope it helps

 

[pard]

I think it may be harsh to criticise the defending system in 2011 too much. I know defending is difficult, but then it really is difficult.

PES2011 forces you to think about positioning first, and you cannot just wander up to a player, press A and expect to tackle.

You have to actually think about what you are doing, which really puts PES2011 onto another level.

As for through balls, again you are right they are tricky to deal with, but again they are in real life as well.

If a player in real life puts through a perfect through pass there is not alot you can do, you jsut have to recover as best you can and make any shot they have as difficult as possible.

A few things I have learned over the years about defending in PES:

- ALWAYS have at least one (preferably two) DMF sitting right infront of the CB's.
- Never commit your CB's unless there is no other option.
- Know which foot the attacker prefers and show him onto his weak one.
- Have your defence relatively deep, so that the GK has a chance to collect through passes before the striker reaches the ball.
- Play with two wide players - SB and SMF - so you can double team to stop crosses and wide player dribbling.
- Consider man marking playmaker threats.
- Always have 3 players in the central midifield area. This makes it asier to keep possession and to win it back quickly. Also encourages teams to play down the sides where they are less of a threat.

Defending is really easy actually. You just put your defense upfront nearly the midfield reducing space and if they happen to get a through ball in, well, you just outrun Eto'o or Messi with Senderos or Silvestre

 

[Typho2k]

I think it may be harsh to criticise the defending system in 2011 too much. I know defending is difficult, but then it really is difficult.

PES2011 forces you to think about positioning first, and you cannot just wander up to a player, press A and expect to tackle.

You have to actually think about what you are doing, which really puts PES2011 onto another level.

As for through balls, again you are right they are tricky to deal with, but again they are in real life as well.

If a player in real life puts through a perfect through pass there is not alot you can do, you jsut have to recover as best you can and make any shot they have as difficult as possible.

A few things I have learned over the years about defending in PES:

- ALWAYS have at least one (preferably two) DMF sitting right infront of the CB's.
- Never commit your CB's unless there is no other option.
- Know which foot the attacker prefers and show him onto his weak one.
- Have your defence relatively deep, so that the GK has a chance to collect through passes before the striker reaches the ball.
- Play with two wide players - SB and SMF - so you can double team to stop crosses and wide player dribbling.
- Consider man marking playmaker threats.
- Always have 3 players in the central midifield area. This makes it asier to keep possession and to win it back quickly. Also encourages teams to play down the sides where they are less of a threat.

I'm certainly going to try out all of your advices. but the through ball.. imo.. is slightly overpowered, too much curve at it. In previous pes games, it was more balance because you could stop the through balls more, but now they just curve the ball around the defender/intercepters, leaving defenders really useless at times.

I would appreciate if someone could give me a link to a youtube vid where you see such curvy throughballs happen in real life. If it is pretty realistic as it is now, then I won't complain... but then I would like the defenders to be just a liiiittle more able to deal with them.

but it's just my opinion atm, gonna try out your defending tips and see if it makes it more liveable.

so thanks

 

[Athlon_]

Defending is really easy actually. You just put your defense upfront nearly the midfield reducing space and if they happen to get a through ball in, well, you just outrun Eto'o or Messi with Senderos or Silvestre

I never like defending that high up, I prefer catenaccio or verrou tactics.

 

[Athlon_]

I'm certainly going to try out all of your advices. but the through ball.. imo.. is slightly overpowered, too much curve at it. In previous pes games, it was more balance because you could stop the through balls more, but now they just curve the ball around the defender/intercepters, leaving defenders really useless at times.

This is why I say it is always best as much as possible when defending to play deep defending. In real life it is always important to keep the game infront of your defence, this also helps in PES.

I would appreciate if someone could give me a link to a youtube vid where you see such curvy throughballs happen in real life. If it is pretty realistic as it is now, then I won't complain... but then I would like the defenders to be just a liiiittle more able to deal with them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FCm4k_m_qg


It is possible to make any pass curve in real life, it is a matter of how you strike the ball. I'd imagine someone like Xavi could get the ball anywhere he wants after his years of practice and his natural skill

but it's just my opinion atm, gonna try out your defending tips and see if it makes it more liveable.

so thanks

Trust me, catenaccio all the way :shfty:

 

[Typho2k]

That clip:

He didn't curve the ball around the defense like I always see they do in pes 11. So you better find a better one :happy:

 

[RAMAXWY]

I think it may be harsh to criticise the defending system in 2011 too much. I know defending is difficult, but then it really is difficult.

PES2011 forces you to think about positioning first, and you cannot just wander up to a player, press A and expect to tackle.

You have to actually think about what you are doing, which really puts PES2011 onto another level.

As for through balls, again you are right they are tricky to deal with, but again they are in real life as well.

If a player in real life puts through a perfect through pass there is not alot you can do, you jsut have to recover as best you can and make any shot they have as difficult as possible.

A few things I have learned over the years about defending in PES:

- ALWAYS have at least one (preferably two) DMF sitting right infront of the CB's.
- Never commit your CB's unless there is no other option.
- Know which foot the attacker prefers and show him onto his weak one.
- Have your defence relatively deep, so that the GK has a chance to collect through passes before the striker reaches the ball.
- Play with two wide players - SB and SMF - so you can double team to stop crosses and wide player dribbling.
- Consider man marking playmaker threats.
- Always have 3 players in the central midifield area. This makes it asier to keep possession and to win it back quickly. Also encourages teams to play down the sides where they are less of a threat.

completely agree.

 

[vietfan09]

completely agree.

Nice ass .! LOL as well as PES 11

 

[Ricox]

Just change cursor settings to semi-assisted, that way you can yourself choose which player you want to control when enemy has ball and you aren't getting players switched every friggin' second.

 

[valroy]

The switching between players was a little gripe of mine too (as well as the penalty shooting system and the non-existent play advantage rule). also, another thing that FIFA has always did better than PES is the camera angle, until i started playing with the broadcasting angle, and its awesome, it takes some getting used to, but persevere with it, and you'll see how good this game is!

 

[Res 4]

After 4 seasons on ML, i can easily say this is proberly the best football game i have played in terms of gameplay in single player. Coming from the last 20 years of every football game known i don't say it lightly. Played on top player and 25 mins game which i never do because usally that lengh drags and in some matches it does but not many.

Anyway i could write a list 10 pages with its problems and most cases my Fifa 10 playtime shows Pes 2011 problems up big time. Anyway my two big problems are the cursor switching and the cpu's lack of knowing when your players are standing in an offside position. First off the i know how to defend before people butt in and tell me to defend proper. I have played over 200 matches with cursor setting on assisted and semi and the problem is still there.

The problem is more noticeable on top player when the other team move the ball fast. The cursor setting switch in both aways from you doing it yourself or the Cpu it has problems. This shows up and trust me you will loose many a goal to this is when for some strange reason you centre backs dont know what do they will walk side ways and make a gap between them for no reason and in that quick instance you need to cursor change to stop this, no matter how are you try in many cases you will switch to the wrong person or someone cases no one.The change is not fast enough from either yourself or the Cpu and on lower skill setting its not to bad but on top player you will loose many a goal.

Second point is that the cpu does not know when your team is offside.I dont mean because they have made a run but just standing there in some cases i have seen at least 6 players standing offside with no effort to get back.Trust me its very strange to look at it happens way to many times.The thing is no matter how angry you get this game is just a complete joy and its not because of the new passing style or movement but it abilty to stop you from playing the same way with each match. Trust me what a hoot it is to try and get through a team who have one nil up and plonked the entire team on the 18 yard line and say come on try and break me down or a top team with yourbacks to the wall because they are changes tatatics every ten mins ,this is why i for the first time n 20 years i play long 25 mins matches because it becomes so real with the tatics.

Also many have pointed out the lack of running by players. Yes its not perfect but trust me its alot better than Fifa;s way. Am not talking about players movements because fifa does this great but it can do it because of the negative impact on that player moving away from is position is not as strong as it is Pes 2011. Also players are man marked with back lines staying together to stop the runs so when you do see a run you must be fast to see it and its become much more of a joy knowing you pulled off a great pass. Love Fifa put come on how times does chelsea's back line let you run behind it every ten seconds. Players would becoming off at half time because the are fucked. Yes Pes in not perfect but it more real over the course of the 90 mins.Also your tatics and how the players feel effect how they play big time.Trust me that red arrow on your player means you play him at your own risk.

 

[Res 4]

Sorry i men't purple arrow facing down not red as stated.