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PES 2012 News, Screenshots & Videos [Index In First Post]

Amateur

Registered User
From his comments, it seems like Messi/Ronaldo etc are gonna be amazing, and everyone else will be shit. The way he talks about the Copa America players shows this. In reality, these players are top class players. They're not up with Messi etc, but they're top players because they play for top sides. OnlyProEvo's comments make it sound like Konami has them playing like amateurs!

Even the lesser quality players can catch up to Messi and Ronaldo. I bet I can find you plenty of players in League 1, or Serie B that can outpace some of the top players.
This is where Konami often fails. The lesser quality players have shit attributes all round. In real life, they could be quicker than Usain Bolt, but Konami would still give them shit speed attributes, because they're not one of the top players.

Agreed. For example, Luis Suarez (Uruguay, Liverpool) is undoubtedly a world class players. He was world class at the world cup, and is showing great skills so far in the Copa America Tournament.

I think that due to the nonexistence of movement within the space, Konami is forced into boosting the physical attributes of certain players. I mean, it's not like Lio Messi can move within the space better than the average player, Lio Messi only has more directions in which to twist and turn, and that's not movement within the space and that's not enough to make him stand out in PES.

So you boost the physical attributes of star players, and then average players have shit physical attributes. And that makes players like Messi and Ronaldo stand out that bit more.
 

FutebolArte

Registered User
For me, and probably Konami as well, a player doesn't "make it" until they've achieved success on the big stage.

With all due respect, the South American leagues just aren't as big as the European leagues. That's why 90% of the great players come to Spain or England mostly, to play their football.

thats bullshit... they come only for the money....

if they could make the same amount of money, why would they want to leave their homes???

the fact that you people (euros) think that is utterly conceited and a lil racist
honestly... why would gomes want to play for fuckin everton? to prove himself??? thats bullshit... or hernanes went to lazio just to play against "better" opponents??? so you think roma is better than Penarol??? or santos??? Neymar, Ganso, Elano....

fact is, people go for the money... especially players from arg and brazi...

hahaha thats rich, Lugano left SPFC to go play in turkey.... for the craziness that is turkish football... you know all those great club side...

where do you get that fact that 90% of players go to spain and england??? do you just make stuff up??? FFS

and ps for mods, feel free to sticky this....

I've had enough of ur shit
 

Ali

It is happening again

I hope this isn't the major news that was teased the other week. The prospect of having La Liga fully licensed again is nice, but it doesn't make too much of a difference since the teams are already there in their unlicensed form. I'm still hoping for Bundesliga.
 

Ali

It is happening again
Agreed. For example, Luis Suarez (Uruguay, Liverpool) is undoubtedly a world class players. He was world class at the world cup, and is showing great skills so far in the Copa America Tournament.

I think that due to the nonexistence of movement within the space, Konami is forced into boosting the physical attributes of certain players. I mean, it's not like Lio Messi can move within the space better than the average player, Lio Messi only has more directions in which to twist and turn, and that's not movement within the space and that's not enough to make him stand out in PES.

So you boost the physical attributes of star players, and then average players have shit physical attributes. And that makes players like Messi and Ronaldo stand out that bit more.

It all makes me a bit worried at how bad the default ML players are gonna be! :shocking:

No, no, no, no, no! This isn't the major news, that will be revealed at Gamescom.

Ok.... ok.... calm down tiger! :D
 

abu97

Registered User
No, no, no, no, no! This isn't the major news, that will be revealed at Gamescom.

Please onlyproevo, is it possible to find out when the major new will come out at gamescom and released on the internet - i'm so desperate to find out. Anyway i love how you recorded lampard's and wilshere's stats, can't believe though they rated wilshere, an 19 yr old (konami have a reputation of rating young players badly), than lampard, one of the best cmf - well at his prime he was.
Anyway can you remember anymore overall ratings - they don't need to be overall stats - individual stats if you want
 

OnlyProEvo

Registered User
I am calm, Ali_BWFC. :]

I can't remember any stats off the top of my head. If you look in the right places, you'll find the stats - although these are likely to change, by the game's official release.

As for the news, I can't reveal anything until Konami give the go ahead. Obviously, I want to maintain a good relationship between them and my blog. :]
 

felinefury

Registered User
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A preset script would add substance and structure into the game, it is way beyond the stupid Wii system, but apparently you cannot see why.

You get rid of the stupid Manual Cursor Change, and you replace it with something that actually requires CRITICAL THINKING.

The football video game currently with the best manual control is too easily exploited? Yes it is. It is insubstantial and stupid.

Is it better than PES11 on the PS3? Yes because it offers something new to the gamer. It offers two different types of diversion: the ball carrier, and the player without the ball, more diversion. PES on the PS3 is just about the ball carrier, and it gets boring very quickly, because it's the same old formula.

Is the Wii PES easy to exploit? Yes because the computer CANNOT be competent due to the fact that directing the right analog stick determines the direction in which a player will run without the ball. And since the computer does NOT know the direction that you will give at any given time, the computer CANNOT be competent, because the computer cannot read the future, which makes it impossible for the gamer to be in control of the game because the computer is not in control of the game.

In addition, since you play the game from a WIDE VIEW PERSPECTIVE, this means that the players on the pitch will move as if they had a radar for a brain, which is in fact CHEATING, and also completely ruins the concept of player individuality.

The Wii system is as stupid as this: playing from the wide view perspective, you notice a gaping hole somewhere on the pitch, you direct the right analog stick towards the gaping hole, and the player/target moves towards the gaping hole. Simple and stupid.

The computer cannot be competent, because the computer cannot read your mind: the computer does not know if you want to move towards the gaping hole or if you want to move into some other space on the pitch, and this creates a lack of balance due to the fact that the defender cannot react in time, due to the fact that the computer does not know what you intend to do when in possession of the ball.

PES on the Wii functions around a literal and stupid concept. It is better than PES on the PS3, but that doesn't change the fact that it is stupid and obvious. As a gamer, I am merely talking about how we can have a footy sim that is addictive and yet flawless, and I know that the preset script is the only way it can be done.

The preset script would give the game a feeling of uncertainty, an "anything can happen" feeling, due to the fact that the ball carrier would not know how the defender would react to the preset script, because defensive reactions would not be determined by a preset script. Therefore producing an "anything can happen yet I am in control of what I intend to do" feel to the game.

Perhaps you should decide whether you want a video game or a movie before you rant. Because PES is closer to being movie, than it is to being a video game.

NOTE -- preset script is an improvement on the Wii-like gameplay, simpler to execute yet impossible to exploit. It gives you control over the game, which is the main thing that differentiates video games from movies.

10/10 A++ response, would read again :D

Defensively, the Playmaker controls can do everything you mentioned with less memorization of complex button controls. You can mark players/zones precisely, without relying on buttons controlling random players.

Offensively, I agree the Playmaker controls can be too much for opposition AI at times. I don't agree that Konami should go with a control scheme that handcuffs the player's options (relatively speaking with respect to the Wii controls) just because the AI currently isn't good enough to play competent defense against a human player. Developers' efforts (and system processing power) should be focused towards improving that part of AI, even at the expense of teammate AI (since Playmaker controls make teammate AI mostly inconsequential). The other reason why inferior AI defense shouldn't result in a more script driven control scheme (again relative to Wii controls) is because a human vs human match with Playmaker controls is incredibly challenging and satisfying when it becomes a match of wits, reflexes, and field management.

Not sure what you're referring to when you say PES is more movie-like than videogame-like. I'm guessing that remark was for somebody who plays PES on a non-Wii system since the Wii version gives the most control to the player of any other football game out there.

P.S. It's not a right analog stick; it's an infrared pointer. :) Its function really reduces the number of necessary buttons so I'm not seeing how traditional controls are "simpler to execute."
 

Ali

It is happening again
It'll probably come out a month or so before release date. So probably about September-ish.
 

sydney2008

Registered User
It'll probably come out a month or so before release date. So probably about September-ish.

Thank you , i heard some rumors about PES 2012 demo release date will be before FIFA 12 hits the markets , so it might be in august , but if it`s in september as you said , ohh we still haven`t finished july yet , :) .
 

Ali

It is happening again
Thank you , i heard some rumors about PES 2012 demo release date will be before FIFA 12 hits the markets , so it might be in august , but if it`s in september as you said , ohh we still haven`t finished july yet , :) .

Last year, I think the demos of PES and Fifa were released the same week.
 

Ali

It is happening again
This COULD be a reality, as Jon Murphy himself said he hopes to get a demo out ASAP - after the shooting is fixed.. which it has been!

They shouldn't rush the demo. This year is a BIG year for PES. They don't want to put people off with a demo of a half finished game, do they?
 

sydney2008

Registered User
In my opinion , Konami can realease a demo before end of august to have a balance time between the demo and the realease of the full game in october , hope so .
 
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