Pes 2012 - online must....

[prvjoker]

If pes 12 does not address the quitters, laggers, whatever...then the game will be a failure in my eyes. My MLO/1v1/2v2 experience has been wrecked by these people and with 12 bringing online community...this better be the number 1 problem to fix.

Anyone remember Konami's reaction to the own goal exploit in MLO? Instead of resetting the DB they left everyone to carry on. Something EA would NEVER tolerate.

regarding online play & quitters/laggers/cheaters etc

Once you've entered a match, if you fail to record match complete, for WHATEVER reason, you default a 3-0 loss. No more abandoned matches due to lag, no more own goal abandons etc. Kinda like the reset prevention on ML save games, if you hard reset or quit the game while in a match....PES should record it as a loss no matter what. If you have a crap connection, don't play online or risk being penalized loss after loss after loss.

If a player quits due to lag or tries to lag a game out, the game should simply look at the ping and kick him. The match is NOT abandoned, instead they incur a 2 goal penalty (instant) and the A.I takes over.


Servers: Europe should only play Europe etc. No more matchups with people halfway around the world. Come on Konami, fix this obvious crap.


I will be buying both games and eventually there will be one winner. I prefer PES for it's shooting and unpredictable play. For me FIFA has always been a cold clone, but no doubt it is getting VERY CLOSE every year.

 

[sydney2008]

Thanks for this thread , Online lag is also happens in FIFA , once you lose your connection or the cheaters come up with new ideas to stop your win , you will lose the match , but i think that you have to be sure that the connection latency is green in PES or FIFA before you play , cheers .

 

[shaun7]

Why put multiplayer first over gameplay?
I don't see the point of people overreacting about online. Online, online, online is just about everything you hear nowdays.


BTW, I know pes must improve online, but DON'T PUT ONLINE OVER GAMEPLAY, because goood gameplay and bad online is still playable offline, but bad gameplay and good online would be useless because you would still get bored of it.

 

[prvjoker]

Why put multiplayer first over gameplay?
I don't see the point of people overreacting about online. Online, online, online is just about everything you hear nowdays.


BTW, I know pes must improve online, but DON'T PUT ONLINE OVER GAMEPLAY, because goood gameplay and bad online is still playable offline, but bad gameplay and good online would be useless because you would still get bored of it.

I'm not putting gameplay over online obviously lol. I'm just saying that online is pointless if this issue isn't addressed.

 

[Athlon_]

Why put multiplayer first over gameplay?
I don't see the point of people overreacting about online. Online, online, online is just about everything you hear nowdays.


BTW, I know pes must improve online, but DON'T PUT ONLINE OVER GAMEPLAY, because goood gameplay and bad online is still playable offline, but bad gameplay and good online would be useless because you would still get bored of it.

100% agree, on-line has taken over gaming too much, PES is about Master League and game-play for me, that's where the real lifespan is. The AI doesn't quit halfway through or when its losing.

 

[shaun7]

I'm not putting gameplay over online obviously lol. I'm just saying that online is pointless if this issue isn't addressed.

You mean the other way round?
The way you put it gave me the impression that it's either online or nothing.

 

[Res 4]

Online needs to be important to Pes. Yes gameplay is number 1, but online as been a joke since i can remember. Now the problem with gameplay online is the power button build up with passing. Just a slight delay or the many cheaters with lag switches can effect the passing big time, just like in pes 2011.

Asked one guy the other night why cheat because he was good player, but he slowed the game down every time i got the ball and speeded it up when he got it back. Thought he was going to tell me to do one, but he said he loves to win.

If pes online is not fixed then i must admitt that i will get fifa for my online fix. Yes fifa ass got lag cheaters to, but the gameplay is not effected as much.

 

[The Eristic]

I do think you should be able to back out of a match before it starts without a penalty, while still in the matching and/or set-up screens. One night in MLO, I got stuck playing the same guy over and over, but as there's no option to decline an opponent, after the third or fourth time, I just quit the game the instant it paired me with him, and it gave me the standard 3-0 loss, even though we hadn't even made it past the matching screen.

 

[Makavelian]

They knew all about it in 2008.2009 came, followed by 2010 where the cheating was getting worse.2011 came along cheating hit new heights.Will they fix it in 2012?

 

[Ali]

I do think you should be able to back out of a match before it starts without a penalty, while still in the matching and/or set-up screens. One night in MLO, I got stuck playing the same guy over and over, but as there's no option to decline an opponent, after the third or fourth time, I just quit the game the instant it paired me with him, and it gave me the standard 3-0 loss, even though we hadn't even made it past the matching screen.

Certainly. Would be very useful when you're playing against Barca for the umpteenth time in a row.

 

[flawlaz]

I would really like to see the "Spectator Mode" for online coming back this year.

 

[muggi]

I stopped playing PES because of the bad online experience.

I used to play PES 1 on 1 or 2 on 2 offline vs my friends, and its so much more fun than playing vs the CPU.

So yes, online is important, especially in these days, as more and more games have online play and community. Online play is the future for PES if it wants to survive.
And im not saying gameplay isnt important, if the game sucks nobody want to play it.


now my friends live out of town, an because of the lag ect online, we where forced to
quit playing.

Also playing online, the best thing is to play vs some persons you know either from local area or know them as PES players with good ping. And play againt the same group of people so you know the dony quit the game in the middle.

But whats the point when you cant trust the quality of the konami servers.

I remember 2 years ago, i did a ping traceroute, when online and it was routed back to south korea.

 

[platoon]

Pes online play will be shit again just look at the servers

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[echoplex_b]

Pes online play will be shit again just look at the servers

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What does this mean!? lol I'm not a server geek!? And why are their servers so rubbsih!?!?!?

 

[echoplex_b]

Can you ping EA servers... how does it compare???

Spend some money Konami... BUY DECENT SERVERS!!!

YOU AREN'T ASRSENE WENGER!!! GET YOUR WALLET OUT!!!

IM ANGRY... my life is dull without PES ONLINE!!!

 

[DIECI]

PES2011 was very good online as far as connection and lag I thought. As for the quitters, well that will happen, what can you do about that? If they quit they get the loss you get the 3-0 win and thats fine for me as long as I get the W. My suggestion would be to make communities and play in those, this way you know who you;re playing and you know they won't quit or cheat you.

I did notice thought that the more games you play the more you get punished for losees and you get less reward for winning. Its not the teams you use, its the number of games you have.

EXAMPLE

If my online overall record is 200W/100D/100L and I play someone with 45W/40D/35L I won't get as many points for beating them as they will for beating me, I would get 6 pts for example, they would get over 10 and if I lose I get over 15 pts taken away. This is not fair IMO, it should be based on your overall rank, if you lose to a much lower ranked team I understand the big loss of pts but also on the team you play... If I lose to Barca using Palermo 1-0 then I should lose 15 pts it should be less.



A few things I would like to see implemented online :

- Champions League (single) games

- Copa Lib teams vs Euro clubs

- Better set up for tournaments

- Communities wth the ability to play not only tournaments but also leagues in

- Give us the ability to back out of selected teams after picking them like the old PES games. Its horribly when you pick Napoli and your opponent picks Barca and all your players conditions are blue. Give us that ability to select another team!

- Reward for playing with smaller clubs especially when beating bigger ones.

- for National teams, give us the ability to select our players from the main pool of nationals like offline and use "our call ups" online. (not ML players, just regular current ones)

 

[platoon]

It Means if you play PES Online you have a ping of 270. Normally i have a ping of 15-20 with my connection. Its because the Servers of Konami are somewhere in Japan or Korea and they are really bad . For Example Sony Servers for ps3 games like killzone,resistance e.x are really fine as you can see the ping of ~20ms. Its a big difference to play with 280 or 20 ms..

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I wrote Konami about 5 times for their poor online but they dont care and tell you should check your internet . I hope these ignorant idiots go broke.