Pes 2015 is a scam!!!

[fatehasfans]

Didn't you notice in the second half, for the second and third goals I could not get near the ball? In fact I could not get within 5 yards of their players without them passing or glitching around me. I could do nothing, this is one of my main gripes. I don't mind the minor bugs such as pathing, my big problem is that this isn't one game but about four, depending on which setting you use and control is at the centre of it.
On this setting I am simply forced to play a certain way (i.e. tunnelled) and this negates any real freedom of expression.
It has nothing to do with skill level (I can assure you) go check out my video "Shooting is fine" and you'll see when the setting is changed what I can do when things 'work', I can bang them in from 50-60 yards time after time in fact the football is mouth-watering at times. I could upload some super goals that would turn your hair and shit white!

At the core the game is messed up it's as simple as that, it is not consistent in all game settings, in some game settings things work in others they don't, and the play-styles vary too. When the game is challenging things work less (controls, AI support etc, tackle etc etc) when the game is on easy most of it works or the computer simply lets you do what you want (i.e. won't chase the ball etc). It's better than previous version and has some nice ideas but sadly underneath it's ugly and broken.

P.S. Maybe we could have a game Ethan, let me know when and where and we'll hook up for a match (you are of course talking about the PC version?!?! - for if not I will have to slap you with a wet fish).

 

[graceoflives]

Didn't you notice in the second half, for the second and third goals I could not get near the ball? In fact I could not get within 5 yards of their players without them passing or glitching around me. I could do nothing, this is one of my main gripes. I don't mind the minor bugs such as pathing, my big problem is that this isn't one game but about four, depending on which setting you use and control is at the centre of it.
On this setting I am simply forced to play a certain way (i.e. tunnelled) and this negates any real freedom of expression.
It has nothing to do with skill level (I can assure you) go check out my video "Shooting is fine" and you'll see when the setting is changed what I can do when things 'work', I can bang them in from 50-60 yards time after time in fact the football is mouth-watering at times. I could upload some super goals that would turn your hair and shit white!

I dont know which platform you are playing at, but I can make some comments:
Firstly, Arsenal is not good on DEFENSE. Their CBs are slow and the back is often high, so a skilled passer can dominate your team with a lobbed or curved through pass. Try to set the back to stay low and acquire AT LEAST 1 stopper DMF for counterattack.
Second, ball circulation should be FASTER. opponents comes to the ball quickly, so passing around is crucial. AI do the same thing when they are in possession (if you can mark all their midfielders, they will circulate the ball around the defenders - very annoying). Just practice and you will get used to. Dont hesitate to pass back to CBs and even GK, it happens all the time in real life. :happy:
Third, dont try to dribble through opponents. I dont know but I prefer a 1-2 pass to get through and its much more beautiful and safer than do it alone.
I will try to make a video using Arsenal. Hope my PC can endure it.

 

[fatehasfans]

I dont know which platform you are playing at, but I can make some comments:
Firstly, Arsenal is not good on DEFENSE. Their CBs are slow and the back is often high, so a skilled passer can dominate your team with a lobbed or curved through pass. Try to set the back to stay low and acquire AT LEAST 1 stopper DMF for counterattack.
Second, ball circulation should be FASTER. opponents comes to the ball quickly, so passing around is crucial. AI do the same thing when they are in possession (if you can mark all their midfielders, they will circulate the ball around the defenders - very annoying). Just practice and you will get used to. Dont hesitate to pass back to CBs and even GK, it happens all the time in real life. :happy:
Third, dont try to dribble through opponents. I dont know but I prefer a 1-2 pass to get through and its much more beautiful and safer than do it alone.
I will try to make a video using Arsenal. Hope my PC can endure it.

I play on PC.

Secondly, I don't use Arsenal's default formation and I add Coquelin to the team along with Arteta so I have two defensive midfielders on top of that I lower the back-four (maybe you should read my earlier post about Napoli).

It isn't a problem with the defence. Nor it is a problem with passing more quickly, I can fumble around the back as quick as I want but the fundamental problems (that I have pointed out) remain.

 

[Rat Monkey]

Here is the link to the video (for Rat_Monkey) I created highlighting the problems - the video is split over two halves.

first half
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPbiyy6d83c

second half
http://youtu.be/IqTolZvtQSs

Here's my thoughts on this. First half:

0:27 Unfortunate deflection to costa after tackle. Can happen. If it happened all the time it would be a problem.

0:40 Move happened well, as you moved it forward quickly.

1:16 Good challenge when properly positioned.

1:17, 3:07, 5:33 Pass off target. What is your pass assistance? Can't really judge any of these as I can't see the direction your pressing.

1:19 Trick, player steps over ball. If pressing sprint in direction ball is moving, player lets it run on and runs after it. (I think)

1:37 Well timed tackle.

1:40 Ball moved quickly when options available and got a chance. Good.

1:53 Shots from dreadful angles. Two more before this too.

2:55 Ozil not near the ball. Don't see a problem.

3:00 This happens way too often with your defending. You sprint in too quickly to win the ball, making it easy to turn and beat you. Get a good defensive position on the player first. Far too impatient. Yo don't see defenders running in like lunatics at attackers in real life. They get position on them mostly first.

3:21 Your expecting the AI to instantly do what you want. Your not controlling it. Too impatient here to see what it was going to do.

3:29 You complain about opponent defense already in position. Welbeck had to control it on chest first, then you move slowly when its controlled. As a result, defense had plenty of time to get into position. Why didn't you burst into space the second you controlled it on the floor? The option was there.

4:07 This is disputable. The ball looks like it collided off the players hand, which brought it down quickly.

4:20 Your player was running away ahead from your player with the ball. Defender was running forward towards your player with the ball. You were never clear favourite. The opposite in fact. Your player also had to slow down and change direction to get it. Defender has advantage all day as he's running towards the ball, your sprinting away from it and have to slow down and change direction.

4:30 Your constantly running in for tackles from a bit away leaving clear gaps for the AI to run into. Far too rushed. You pull debuchy and sanchez completely out of position by sprinting and leave gaps behind them. Your too far way from the attackers and they can see you coming sprinting and play around you with all the gaps you leave.

4:38 Why didn't you try to cut off and block the angle of the shot? You tried to tackle when it was never on. You didn't have the time to close him down. Try to block his shot, still no gaurantees though.

5:00 Rushing in again. Doing this far too much. Your defenders look headless, making it far too easy to beat you.

5:20 You mention being sucked in and I said let go of sprint. Never said that. I said let go of X/A, as the AI automatically controls your angle of running which causes that problem. Move in manually with L stick and sprint.

5:24 Another wild lunging tackle.

5:42 Waiting for options? You had one with cazorla, but turned back into the defender instead of pushing a little to the side and pressing through ball. Also, options aren't always handed to you on a plate.

5:59 You move too slowly on the ball, options cut off.

6:04 Poor, poor pass. Not even looking at what your doing. Sanchez was available to your right. Then, whoever was running through the middle, koscielny I think, was on option for him. Options were available.

6:09 This pass looked very rushed.

6:17 Throughball off target, what is your pass assistance again?

6:46 Pass wasn't on. Defender closest to the ball.

6:57 You move far too slowly on the ball most of the time. You had acres of space to sprint into first of all, then this drags the opposition out of position. Space is not only an option, but a major one. Your expecting everything to be handed to you on a plate.

7:01 Still countless space below you to run into and create options by using this option. You have to create the options yourself also. Space is a major option you never use. You're moving far too slow to upset the opposition. They are comfortable marking you.

7:21 Poorly timed lunge. Just ran in wildly.

 

[fatehasfans]

I have to go out now so I'll comment later on this but watch the second half it's were the real fun begins.

 

[Rat Monkey]

Second half:

0:18 Pass not really on. Your player is static, while defender is running towards the path of the ball. Fair enough, the pathing is linear without curling very often, but you know this.

2:04 You ran past the player. You had control. Again, easily beaten.

3:08 Ozil is drained of energy, but it is badly implemented here. Poor programming. Ozil could have run a bit faster than that.

4:04-4:19 You NEVER run into space. You need to exploit space to create options alot of the time. Not everything is handed on a plate to you, nor should it be. Your also moving very slowly. The opposition only has to jog to keep up with you, mark you and give you little option. I'm afraid, to me this is just poor play.

5:06 Just wild, aimless, badly timed, telegraphed tackles. Sorry, for being harsh but thats how it looks to me. Your not getting near them by which time you've commited to the lunge, missed it becuase your too far away and are easily beaten. Fair enough to me.

5:26 Ozil has no energy left. Ramires is still in the green. Of course Ozil is slow and Ramires is faster. Ozil also has the ball which slows him down more.

5:37 That tackle was miles away from ever being on. A slide tackle was your only hope and even that is being optimistic to even anticipate that pass quicker than you did in order to intercept it in time.

6:50 Too slow to pass it to welbeck.

Forgive my harshness, but I had to say how I saw it. Your defending and attacking need lots of improvement.

 

[EthanLionel]

Didn't you notice in the second half, for the second and third goals I could not get near the ball? In fact I could not get within 5 yards of their players without them passing or glitching around me. I could do nothing, this is one of my main gripes. I don't mind the minor bugs such as pathing, my big problem is that this isn't one game but about four, depending on which setting you use and control is at the centre of it.
On this setting I am simply forced to play a certain way (i.e. tunnelled) and this negates any real freedom of expression.
It has nothing to do with skill level (I can assure you) go check out my video "Shooting is fine" and you'll see when the setting is changed what I can do when things 'work', I can bang them in from 50-60 yards time after time in fact the football is mouth-watering at times. I could upload some super goals that would turn your hair and shit white!

At the core the game is messed up it's as simple as that, it is not consistent in all game settings, in some game settings things work in others they don't, and the play-styles vary too. When the game is challenging things work less (controls, AI support etc, tackle etc etc) when the game is on easy most of it works or the computer simply lets you do what you want (i.e. won't chase the ball etc). It's better than previous version and has some nice ideas but sadly underneath it's ugly and broken.

P.S. Maybe we could have a game Ethan, let me know when and where and we'll hook up for a match (you are of course talking about the PC version?!?! - for if not I will have to slap you with a wet fish).

I have to write some too but most is already mentioned by Rat Monkey.

One of your biggest issue in your gameplay video is passing. I understand 1 bar passing isn't easy. I've been using it for more than month already and I still make mistakes a lot. Switching back to 3-bar passing makes the game too easy though, so I just stick with it. I hope there's a way to set the normal pass to 3 bar support and 1 bar support for through pass.

In your gameplay video, whenever you make a bad pass, you always blame the game and says it's broken. You can do the test that I did here and you'll discover that the passing mistakes is actually your fault.

http://www.pesgaming.com/showthread.php?t=96982

PS. Thanks for the invitation but I'm sorry, I don't play online. I tried it a few times but the lag is not playable for me.

 

[fatehasfans]

Rat Monkey,
I just double checked your comments in relation to the first half and issues still stand - those passes you considered ‘poor’ where in fact directionally accurate but that the pathing simply wasn’t there for it. As far as the shots go yes I don’t always bring it in close and do the usual side foot it or softly loft it into the top corner, I like to try unusual things. Secondly, I am only playing the computer and trying to play “freely”, when something doesn’t work for me you simply state that I should have done the alternative, but this is exactly my point the ‘alternative’ leaves me with no options but to play one way, and my argument is that this happens on higher difficulty or when playing Vs human players, whereas on Amateur and below a lot more options are available.
Through your advice of offering me to always play a certain way, i.e. always go for the obvious pass highlights my query and reinforces it – that being the creative process is extremely limited. It reminds me of a discussion I had with a friend I play with on co-op, I know the pass he needs to make because I play the game a lot more and know what works and what doesn’t (on higher settings) but his argument is that he feels I am forcing him to play my way, but in fact what he doesn’t know is that it is the only way that works and so when I explain to him his counter argument is that why should he have to play that way, and he is right he shouldn’t only have to play one way. But sadly that’s the reality, if he tries to go for a creative long ball or something different it never pays off. So essentially he has to play the way that works and the way that works is rather limited on higher difficulty levels.
I could record a game of me playing at the top level and I’m extremely efficient and pass a lot quicker and I take the ‘only’ options and I win, but this isn’t football. Esp considering that creativity and pretty much everything else goes out the window and after a while it becomes highly linear and I can’t help but feel I am bottlenecked into making those decisions.
I appreciate the advice though and you know your stuff but I know my stuff too bud. I’ll maybe upload a game where I play the only options and you can access it but it won’t really make a difference because when the computer says no, it means it. When it wants to score, it scores. When it wants to give you an option/opening, it gives you one. When it wants to slow you down, it slows you down. When it doesn’t want you to get the ball it does what it wants. I could record scene after scene my players running away from the ball only to run back when the moment is gone. What is your opinion on these problems or are they the fault of the player?

I like to play with flair, I’m a creative person and a creative thinker, I know the tricks don’t work a lot of the time (the fail rate in 15 is greater than any series) but still it’s nice when they do, and it is a case of try and try again until one works which does take the shine of them a bit and of course the practical aspect. When I play online there is very little room for creativity, you play by the numbers, it’s all low short passes waiting on the gaps and waiting for the run or creating triangles with one-two (which again is very sluggish in this one) or exploiting the wing-runners, always trying to get as close as possible to maximise your scoring chances (again no long rangers here unless you’re up a few goals already) – but it’s also about riding the storm (which will come in the form of negative advantage – see my earlier posts), timing tackles and just hoping luck is with you sometimes. So you have to take your chances. However, when playing at home for fun a). I don’t want to play this intensely b). I don’t want to be bottlenecked and finally c). I want things to work* all the time not just when I have the advantage or when the game is on easy.

*Controls, AI support, player pace compared to AI pace, tackles, shot-types and passing.

I do appreciate the input though and the fact that you have taken the time to look at this in detail.

 

[Doromeo]

Maybe it's time to use Direct X 11-12. Lighting in the game look terrible. Football fields are not natural in the game. When you start using Direct X 11-12 in PES? And what kind of football where there is no struggle? Where the game hand? Where passive offside? And players can not get injured in a match. Also, how many times fans can remind you of the bad animation? Goalkeepers for Konami are insurmountable problem. - they wooden. I ask you to remove the goalie out of the gate in Pes 16. Because for you the goalkeeper in football does not play a great role.

 

[Glock_NL]

LMAO! Best reply ever!

OP, you just got served.

Haven't seen these replies to lag related posts before...

 

[F*CK_PES]

I tried to play it on PS4 too, hoping it would be better than PC, and at the beginning it was, but after it became a scam worst than PC.

I have an entire youtube playlist with all the wrongs that I have seen agains me.

Yesterday I deleted it from ps4 too...

I'll never buy pes anymore....

Watch the playlist:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5J_Rd6OlEc&list=PLQTH7DVxOmikkRb9C2DvpnhSQtmjfcwIV

 

[fatehasfans]

Personally, I think 14 is a much better game but only when modified properly. I have been modifying 14 for around 10 months now and have arrived at some very fun and interesting versions. I've take the best bits from various patches and experimented in the hope of improving the game and I feel I have for I love it!

I have uploaded two short clips (me playing on easy) one of those versions just to highlight some of the games speed, fluidity and creative freedom. That's not to say there aren't the odd moments of AI madness and a few passes going astray there are but they can be tweaked (I won't go into that now). It's more about the speed, variation of play and overall control options that are highlighted here. This is just so much fun and the emphasis is on attacking play and every game is like a sandbox of awesome goals all fully implemented by the player i.e. me - the knuckle shot timing has been reduced so shot variation is incredible which really means that nothing is impossible.


Enjoy....

1st half ...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHhf-06Nsp0&feature=youtu.be

2nd half ...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjwRAtKZOJo

Let me know what you think.