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Zygalski

Zygalski

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Got to love the last line in this :D

drekkard said:
"Ok, taht's all they've done in one year? Even from we10 they've only done that? What a terrible disgrace. I won't give this people any single euro more until they show me something in return." That is the conclusion after wasting some hours with pes6.

There's nothing new since we10. The changes made are so minor that couldn't even be called expansion pack, nor a simple patch. Not only they added NOTHNIG to gameplay, it's just that now it's worse. And by miles. There's an terrible unbalance between what you can do in attack and in defense. So arcadish. The physics of the ball may seem right, but please, look at all that odd deflections, the nonsense headers, the countless times that when players collide the ball goes to impossible places. Physics are quite wrong when this situations happen. Now someone will call me nasty things, but though in shooting and passing fifa07 is far inferior, simulating things like deflecions ands rebounds fifa07 is, BY FAR, better than this. Of course pes is still better in general in terms of gameplay.

What about mass? Players now have no mass! When they collide, most of the times the attacker simply passes through the defender. In general, it seems as if all the players had the body covered in oil, and there's no friction at all (don't judge this sentence, please). That results in very big spaces with passes that go always to the feet and if the opponent succeeds in closing gaps (difficult) at the very best it results in melees with quite misterious results. The thing is, in terms of AI and physics simulation, it seems like watching a school match of boys age 8-10.

I can recall playing pes3 and pes4 and doing brilliant plays, having to make effort but with great results. In pes5 it was almost impossible to do great plays because of the intervention of the cpu in every aspect of the game. Now you are more "loose", but too much! And you hardly do brilliant plays (not refering to goals, I talk about unexpected passes, combinations, etc..). I remember how in pes4 when I had a counterattack I could do a 2-1 to the keeper, pass it to the other striker and score on an empty net. But you had to fight and pass a lot before to do that. Now, you can run from midfield beating all defenders but your teammates hardly understand what you're doing. Generally, AI is a mess, and you don't find any good moves during a match, just the same as before. Even in defense there are this shocking runs to nowhere performed by your CBs or Sidebacks letting all the space to the opposition.

There's still that annoying 1/4 second freeze sometimes when you select a player that was moving, or he simply slows and begin to turn unnnecessarily as if he suddenly woke up! And supercancel it's still difficult to do and has speed problems (sometimes it freezes your player, sometimes it refuses to change direction for a while, you know...).

About passing, it's the same, only minor tweaks, specially to high chipped long passes, but too subtle. It's still easier to fail passing to a teammate who is 6 feet away than doing those stupid but overused passes from defender to striker. At the end, there's no real midfield in this game, no more build up of play. And it's not slower than pes5, who said that? It's faster, real faster if you want. Yes, you could waste time trying to recreate football, but you know that you can shoot after 3 straight passes, so in tournaments against friends what do you think that will happen?

In shooting, it's strictly the same as before. You can shoot from 35 meters with adriano no matter how you do and later on shoot a sitter to the grounds, and you won't never know why, there's no reason other than all this "randomize" things fashion that now rules in pes, where, at least to me, nothing has much sense right now; nor the ball physics, nor the player collisions, nor the passing...

I even managed to feel again the cheats of the CPU after my 9th (and becoming already bored) match in master league (averaging a 4-1 scoresheet), when cpu was freezing players, changing direction of my runs, scoring always in corners or free kicks when going down... you know, all that embarrassing things that seabass called "bending the match" and add nothing to the experience other than fustration and sometimes even a draw. But this time it had less power than in pes5, I grant you that.

Bad keepers are still there (they STILL are unable to cover the short post though they block maybe 10% more balls than in we10. great, yes, impressive). In master league, after 9 matches, my keeper (Victor Valdes) had only blocked one shot. The rest, even bouncy slow balls, generated a second chance.

And I thing "embarrassing" is the emotion I felt after trying the game. They don't deserve my money anymore if that is what they do after a whole year. Considering they haven't changed the engine, nor the graphics, etc...

What have they done?

Some new animations?
New kits? (the scene does that much better)
They lost some licenses by the road?

There are really not many positive things to be said about pes6 if you played we10, unless the net code is far better (i don't have ps2 modem). And though I didn't like very much pes5, I think pes5 could still be called "Pro Evolution". This one is definitely not an evolution for me, it's the least evolved piece of software worth 60€ I've ever seen.

Oh, yes, maybe this year they added some more dogs in pes-shop. How exciting! :roll:
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jamez

jamez

Calcio Agriculturus
Correct me if i'm wrong but aren't WE10 and PES6 supposed to be more or less the same? So why is he expecting them to be radically different in the 6 months since We10 came out?
 
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famous0_7

Registered User
i know thats what i was thinking if u want a newer more evloutioned game wait for we11 as pes6 is we10 in europe stop playing the none european version and stick to pes and u will notice the difference when they come around again
 
Zygalski

Zygalski

Administrator
The point is that they're supposed to have a year to make the next PES but they release WE which in itself is as much as a patch could update and then make tiny tweaks to it for PES.
 
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john4

Registered User
i no tht pes is a minor update to we10,shame i got we10 but jus cudnt wait,anyways,it wud b nice if it was a large update but we no its not!.hopefully x360 will be largley different to the ps2 version,roll on 27th
 
Zygalski

Zygalski

Administrator
Junka said:
Im of to sleep now,i just played some more matches;)
seems that the passing is getting better and better
i can answer some questions
i dont have seen any nike ball only addidas and reebok
yes toti's hairstyle is changed,just like of gattusso and gilardino
in replay u see a CANON logo alsow(sponsor)
there are no real sevilla faces from i know
there are lots more new faces updated and added,but i have not made pic of all of them,some players have extra speed movement llike henrey and adriano with strong fysiek and fast running u can own the deffenders easly
anyway i can't anwser al questions now:( im of to sleep have to get up realy early again for work,but in the begining of the weekend i have more time :)
Thx reef for the vids:)
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Junka said:
the red tunis is not in the game anymore like in WE10 :(
here is the pic of the addidas boots in pes6


pls use the reefur vid to check some most of the player faces and stats
Huntelaar stats/face are still not good same as on we10
the edit mode is same as in WE10
it is possible to use ur PES5 OF with the game.
ass for german player faces tehre all crap cuz germany is not licended but some players who play in licend club teams have good faces and stats
and yes the shooting is better now,in we10 it was to weak seems in we10 u can shoot more often from distance ,but if u have a player with gay shooting skill the ball will prolly fly away and even with a skilled player u have to face and aim wel to the goal,if ur not facing towards the goal and shoot the bal prolly with alsow fly away somewhere,but when u are facing the right side with ur strong foot then shooting to goal u wil have more succes,(check the kaka goal)http://members.home.nl/amar83/PES6/12102006003.mp4



and @luisportobello that pic is from PES6 PSP version i think?!
i heard the ML is upgraded there,but dont know for sure,
ML is the same only like in we10 there is extra function for players growth.
Here a pic i took from PES6 ML
as u see it beggints with Division 2

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Junka said:
Tested the online mode today
thanks to fernando's translation work:)
I realy do hope that some things change when RETAIl version is out,because i felt a little lag and slow reaction with the movement,or i was playing against someone with a 57K modem;).
There are like 60 ppl online now on PS2,
ofcourse 0 PC users:)
Some kool stuff are added this time.
I played my first match with Inter milan vs. Man.united(against someone called rebotmx if ur reading this maybe...Hello m8:) )
result was 1-1.
There is again only 1 online stadium :( what looks ok if its summer and sunny,but must look crap in winter.
overal is pretty nice only i do hope the slow reacting/lag stuff gets fixed.

If anyof you guys wants a match....look me up my nick is Junka;)


Anyway here are some pics i made for yah guys;)















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Magono

Magono

RaPiD 'MaGz' of the PeP
There is some great stuff on that Evo-Web thread... I would love to know how they are getting it. Well, I wil just enjoy the info till I get my copy on the 27th!
 
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Tingles

Registered User
once again there is no australian server god damn it shafted again now we have to annoy all you other people by asking if there is any austrlians on the server
 
Viperized

Viperized

Registered User
Ronaldinho is a quicker dribbler and is more agile than Henry?
Henry's shot accuracy and shot technique has been reduced?

How the hell is Henry's agility 82? How the hell is his shot accuracy 94? It should be 96! His shot technique should be 95 too. I remember seeing Van Nistelrooy's shot technique in WE10. It was something like 98. I find that unbelievable.

It seems like the Arsenal stats are always the shittest. Fabregas' short passing accuracy is only 84 when it should be 90+.
 
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