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Players for MLO'13

iamcanadianeh

Registered User
Nahlmann is good AMF.. like a diamond for me :)

I don't mean to be rude, but, well, his stats look pretty terrible to me... 63 stamina, 3 form, 71 short pass accuracy, 65 long pass accuracy, 53 heading acc, 53 teamwork...

Seriously, try a player like Devic or Vendeler, or even El Hany (less body balance but better skills than this guy IMO).

I think one of the reasons you may be finding him effective is the combination of high responsiveness and shot accuracy/power, but you can find similar players for around the same price who also have speed, passing, teamwork, etc.
 

aftershock9

Registered User
[MENTION=32290]iamcanadianeh[/MENTION], great posts and you show a great knowledge of PES players! Quick question, I would like to know how would you determine which skills in PES are good for which positions? Is there an article or a link to another thread that explains this?

At the moment, I'm struggling to buy players for my MLO side because I'm basing players on their overall rating but as you have mentioned there are many gems that aren't very highly rated.

Thanks
 

iamcanadianeh

Registered User
[MENTION=32290]iamcanadianeh[/MENTION], great posts and you show a great knowledge of PES players! Quick question, I would like to know how would you determine which skills in PES are good for which positions? Is there an article or a link to another thread that explains this?

At the moment, I'm struggling to buy players for my MLO side because I'm basing players on their overall rating but as you have mentioned there are many gems that aren't very highly rated.

Thanks

Well, for starters it depends on what position you are looking to fill, and also on how YOU play the game. Do you run and gun, long balls, or slow build up? For defenders it is pretty universal though.

I can help you for sure if you have a specific position you want to buy a player for and a budget. That would be fun. But, as they say, give a man a fish and he eats for a day, so I'll give you two bits of general advice...

1.) In edit mode you can highlight each statistic for any player and see a definition of what each stat really does. Making good purchases without really knowing what you're buying is very difficult! I think a lot of people don't understand the stats, or even the player/skill cards. If possible, also try to get your hands on a copy of one of the old piggyback interactive guides for PES. Most of the stat definitions haven't changed, and even having one for, say, PES 6, will provide a lot of useful info. For example, most people know that there is a big difference in effect between a stat rated 75 rather than 74 when compared to 73 rather than 72, in other words the number 75 is a break point where there is a big difference in the stat's effectiveness, but did you know that the difference between 95 and 96 is also a big leap? According to the guide, all stat points above 95 are very effective, so being 98 as opposed to 97 is a real difference. Of course, if I have a player who is 95 at a key stat like shot accuracy, I'm happy enough, but I'm just using this as an example of the kinds of things you can learn from getting a copy of one of the old guides (I don't believe they make them anymore).

2.) I base my evaluations of what is important for a given position based on playing the game itself, and also on my experience with real life football. However, if you want a base understanding, go to edit mode again and try messing with existing players' stats to see what does and what doesn't have an effect on overall rating for a given position. For example, try taking a central defender and giving him 98 shot accuracy and you will see his overall stat doesn't change. Give him 95 defence or balance (strength) and then see what happens. This is the best way to understand how the game determines the overall ratings, but what I'm trying to say is that the best way to make purchases is to actually try to exploit the simplicity of the rating system. So, again, the overall rating is important, but it can be misleading.

One last thing, just as an example I'll explain how I search for new "gems." Lets say it's an attacking midfielder I'm looking for and I only want to spend, say 2-3 million (or whatever)... I will do a search and select AMF as the position, then go to abilities and try to define what are the important parameters I'm looking for in that role. So, let's say that I have been playing for a while and realized that my midfielders aren't connecting on enough passes to the striker and I want a player who has good passing. In that case, the abilities I want to be good are pass accuracy, pass power (also defines if the pass is effective), and teamwork (helps passing by making good connections between players). Furthermore, there is the "pinpoint pass" special skill and also "all out attack" which makes the players off the ball make forward runs when the player with the card gets the ball. I might like to have some of those skill cards but I'm looking for a pretty inexpensive player, so let's consider those a bonus.

I'm using PESTOME, an online database, not the actual game so this might have some errors, but I would start by entering a value of greater than 80 for short pass accuracy, and also 75 for short pass speed, dribbling acc, responsiveness, stamina, ball control, and 70 for balance and shot accuracy (and a minimum of 4 for form) then see what it turns up. Of course, the things I look for are not the same as what everyone else would look for. A lot of people look for speed and acceleration first, and those things are important for an AMF too, but I'm just giving an example here based on a player who is just starting out and wants a passing-minded AMF. Maybe next he would search for a stronger or faster AMF, but that's up to him.

Anyway, once I have this list, I will sort it by overall rating in reverse order so that the lowest overall players are at the top of the list. This, in and of itself is a good start. Right away I have the cheapest players who I could buy for that role with the basic stats that I want. Ludovic, one of my favourites, who is no longer in the game for some reason, is that the top in fact!

The next thing I would do though is go through the list and look at the players one by one to see who I want to actually buy. Sometimes it helps to save five or more players to your favourites list, then work through the short list to make your final decision.

Immediately I see that there is no player with 85 short pass accuracy for really cheap and who has these other stats I want, so I will look next for if any of them have useful special cards... Unfortunately though there isn't a player who meets those conditions who is less than 75 overall, so I look at other conditions. Note however than if you have a bit more cash you can buy Di Natale and get some great stats for a price way out of line with other players (not based on market price, based on overall base stats price).

If you have a bit more Lucho or Sorlin are good options for this sort of player, but if it's a cheap player you're after then look at the likes of Devic, Zortequa (85 teamwork and good strength for an AMF), Abriel, Danilo, Toscano, Chantome, etc. Cabelaard might also be a good buy, but his body balance is low so I prefer others instead (don't want to get bumped off the ball too easily).

Hope this helps, but if you want I can look at something more specific. I'm not playing the game right now (lent it to a friend) so this lets me get my fix ;)

Peace
 

aftershock9

Registered User
Well, for starters it depends on what position you are looking to fill, and also on how YOU play the game. Do you run and gun, long balls, or slow build up? For defenders it is pretty universal though.

My play style is more modeled around passing and slow build up. I play a 3-5-2 formation online.

------------GK----------------
------CB----CB------CB--------
---------DM-------------------
--RM-----------CM-------LM---
----------AM-----------------
----------------SS-----------
----------CF------------------

I can help you for sure if you have a specific position you want to buy a player for and a budget. That would be fun. But, as they say, give a man a fish and he eats for a day, so I'll give you two bits of general advice...

1.) In edit mode you can highlight each statistic for any player and see a definition of what each stat really does. Making good purchases without really knowing what you're buying is very difficult! I think a lot of people don't understand the stats, or even the player/skill cards. If possible, also try to get your hands on a copy of one of the old piggyback interactive guides for PES. Most of the stat definitions haven't changed, and even having one for, say, PES 6, will provide a lot of useful info. For example, most people know that there is a big difference in effect between a stat rated 75 rather than 74 when compared to 73 rather than 72, in other words the number 75 is a break point where there is a big difference in the stat's effectiveness, but did you know that the difference between 95 and 96 is also a big leap? According to the guide, all stat points above 95 are very effective, so being 98 as opposed to 97 is a real difference. Of course, if I have a player who is 95 at a key stat like shot accuracy, I'm happy enough, but I'm just using this as an example of the kinds of things you can learn from getting a copy of one of the old guides (I don't believe they make them anymore).

2.) I base my evaluations of what is important for a given position based on playing the game itself, and also on my experience with real life football. However, if you want a base understanding, go to edit mode again and try messing with existing players' stats to see what does and what doesn't have an effect on overall rating for a given position. For example, try taking a central defender and giving him 98 shot accuracy and you will see his overall stat doesn't change. Give him 95 defence or balance (strength) and then see what happens. This is the best way to understand how the game determines the overall ratings, but what I'm trying to say is that the best way to make purchases is to actually try to exploit the simplicity of the rating system. So, again, the overall rating is important, but it can be misleading.

One last thing, just as an example I'll explain how I search for new "gems." Lets say it's an attacking midfielder I'm looking for and I only want to spend, say 2-3 million (or whatever)... I will do a search and select AMF as the position, then go to abilities and try to define what are the important parameters I'm looking for in that role. So, let's say that I have been playing for a while and realized that my midfielders aren't connecting on enough passes to the striker and I want a player who has good passing. In that case, the abilities I want to be good are pass accuracy, pass power (also defines if the pass is effective), and teamwork (helps passing by making good connections between players). Furthermore, there is the "pinpoint pass" special skill and also "all out attack" which makes the players off the ball make forward runs when the player with the card gets the ball. I might like to have some of those skill cards but I'm looking for a pretty inexpensive player, so let's consider those a bonus.

I'm using PESTOME, an online database, not the actual game so this might have some errors, but I would start by entering a value of greater than 80 for short pass accuracy, and also 75 for short pass speed, dribbling acc, responsiveness, stamina, ball control, and 70 for balance and shot accuracy (and a minimum of 4 for form) then see what it turns up. Of course, the things I look for are not the same as what everyone else would look for. A lot of people look for speed and acceleration first, and those things are important for an AMF too, but I'm just giving an example here based on a player who is just starting out and wants a passing-minded AMF. Maybe next he would search for a stronger or faster AMF, but that's up to him.

Anyway, once I have this list, I will sort it by overall rating in reverse order so that the lowest overall players are at the top of the list. This, in and of itself is a good start. Right away I have the cheapest players who I could buy for that role with the basic stats that I want. Ludovic, one of my favourites, who is no longer in the game for some reason, is that the top in fact!

The next thing I would do though is go through the list and look at the players one by one to see who I want to actually buy. Sometimes it helps to save five or more players to your favourites list, then work through the short list to make your final decision.

Immediately I see that there is no player with 85 short pass accuracy for really cheap and who has these other stats I want, so I will look next for if any of them have useful special cards... Unfortunately though there isn't a player who meets those conditions who is less than 75 overall, so I look at other conditions. Note however than if you have a bit more cash you can buy Di Natale and get some great stats for a price way out of line with other players (not based on market price, based on overall base stats price).

If you have a bit more Lucho or Sorlin are good options for this sort of player, but if it's a cheap player you're after then look at the likes of Devic, Zortequa (85 teamwork and good strength for an AMF), Abriel, Danilo, Toscano, Chantome, etc. Cabelaard might also be a good buy, but his body balance is low so I prefer others instead (don't want to get bumped off the ball too easily).

Hope this helps, but if you want I can look at something more specific. I'm not playing the game right now (lent it to a friend) so this lets me get my fix ;)

Peace

Thanks for the information in the above post. Now I have been playing PES for a while but this aspect of PES is still a mystery to me. Thanks for the suggestion of the guide and PESTome - I will see if I can find the guide somewhere but while I look, is there any articles regarding for each player position what are the key skills and cards which will assist the player?
 

iamcanadianeh

Registered User
I don't think there are any articles that would help. Also, keep in mind that it depends what you want. There's no such thing as a perfect AMF, a perfect wing player, etc. For example, you may decide you want more pace in defence, so that would be a priority for you when buying a new CB, or as for wing play it's a decision you have to make whether you want a winger who is more about speed or more about passing accuracy, or a bit of both. How important is body balance/strength to you? It's all up to you, but for starters, why not tell me a bit about the players you currently have, and which positions you are looking to improve in? Are you scoring at will or leaking at the back? How does your team need to improve over all?
 

aftershock9

Registered User
I don't think there are any articles that would help. Also, keep in mind that it depends what you want. There's no such thing as a perfect AMF, a perfect wing player, etc. For example, you may decide you want more pace in defence, so that would be a priority for you when buying a new CB, or as for wing play it's a decision you have to make whether you want a winger who is more about speed or more about passing accuracy, or a bit of both. How important is body balance/strength to you? It's all up to you, but for starters, why not tell me a bit about the players you currently have, and which positions you are looking to improve in? Are you scoring at will or leaking at the back? How does your team need to improve over all?

Regarding CBs - I prefer ball playing CBs.

Wingers - I would like a combination of pass accuracy, strength/body balance and decent speed. I like my wingers to cut in and move infield. I don't play with speed merchant wingers that you can throughball on the wing and look for cut backs :).

As for goals and conceding - I score in every game but generally concede more than I score. I have a win record percentage of 28.9%.

My starting line up is as follows:

Forster - GK.

HÜBSCHMAN - CB
HOOIVELD - CB
V. CÁCERES - CB

ARÉVALO RÍOS - DM
Kevin Nolan - CM
Michu - AM
Ljalic - RMF
Mossoro - LMF

Kuyt - SS
LARSEN TOURÉ - CF

Michu as a AM holds up the ball nicely but he isn't quick enough and his passing is not the best I have found. I would like to improve my defence. Also, Toure has done extremely well for me as a CF that is rated at 71. Rios and Nolan have done extremely well for me.

My biggest problem is I have no depth, my bench consists of only default players and I struggle in the 2nd half of matches as the players I bring on bar Minandinho make no impact in the match.

Any assistance?
 

iamcanadianeh

Registered User
Regarding CBs - I prefer ball playing CBs.

Wingers - I would like a combination of pass accuracy, strength/body balance and decent speed. I like my wingers to cut in and move infield. I don't play with speed merchant wingers that you can throughball on the wing and look for cut backs :).

As for goals and conceding - I score in every game but generally concede more than I score. I have a win record percentage of 28.9%.

My starting line up is as follows:

Forster - GK.

HÜBSCHMAN - CB
HOOIVELD - CB
V. CÁCERES - CB

ARÉVALO RÍOS - DM
Kevin Nolan - CM
Michu - AM
Ljalic - RMF
Mossoro - LMF

Kuyt - SS
LARSEN TOURÉ - CF

Michu as a AM holds up the ball nicely but he isn't quick enough and his passing is not the best I have found. I would like to improve my defence. Also, Toure has done extremely well for me as a CF that is rated at 71. Rios and Nolan have done extremely well for me.

My biggest problem is I have no depth, my bench consists of only default players and I struggle in the 2nd half of matches as the players I bring on bar Minandinho make no impact in the match.

Any assistance?

Not a bad team... Maybe it's not the players so much as the tactics? Just a thought. Anyway, two players I like for making an impact off the bench, as I've said before, are Salpingidis and Gedo. Both very cheap.

Michu is good, but I just sold Nolan for Reis because I found Nolan a bit slow and despite his height not very good in the air. I'll do a bit of lookin and get back to you with some more recommendations!

Peace
 

aftershock9

Registered User
Not a bad team... Maybe it's not the players so much as the tactics? Just a thought. Anyway, two players I like for making an impact off the bench, as I've said before, are Salpingidis and Gedo. Both very cheap.

Michu is good, but I just sold Nolan for Reis because I found Nolan a bit slow and despite his height not very good in the air. I'll do a bit of lookin and get back to you with some more recommendations!

Peace

Thanks for the recommendations regarding subs. I will look to bring those two players into my squad as like I have mentioned I need some serious squad depth - LOL.

As for your comment re tactics - I must admit I have been very rigid in terms of playing the same 3-5-2 formation since starting MLO :).

Thanks for having a look again, I appreciate your advice.
 

iamcanadianeh

Registered User
Thanks for the recommendations regarding subs. I will look to bring those two players into my squad as like I have mentioned I need some serious squad depth - LOL.

As for your comment re tactics - I must admit I have been very rigid in terms of playing the same 3-5-2 formation since starting MLO :).

Thanks for having a look again, I appreciate your advice.

A couple of notes: I meant Rieks for CM, not Reis. I think you will find that speed is important in that role, and Nolan, although being a great player on paper, just struggles at times to keep up with the game, especially against tough opposition. Also, Nivaldo, one of my recommendations for CB is now lowered in stats. He was 79 overall when I bought him, now he's 72. Konami seem to have adjusted his stats to bring him down in line with his price tag, but I got his higher stats for cheap for a short period, anyway.

Anyway, let's talk about defending... Your CBs are good in a lot of ways, but the next thing I would do to improve your squad would be to replace all three of them (or keep a couple to use as backups) with similar players but with minimum 75 top speed and 80 defence. 80 responsiveness and decent teamwork (min 75 if possible) would also help. One thing that a lot of people don't realize is that the defence ("awareness") stat is a catch-all stat (as is offence) which affects more than just the player's position. I think you will see that a player with 80 as opposed to 75 for defence will make much smarter tackles and movements as well, plus, of course, the positional awareness will also be better. In some ways, in fact, you could say that defence is a reflection of how good the player is a tackling in general (In other words, a very important stat!). I currently use Vellar and Congre, but I'm looking to maybe switch to three at the back as you have because, like just about everyone, I'm still more susceptible to the through ball than I would like. How is three at the back working for you? Do you concede a lot due to through passes to a central forward for a break away? Have you tried a sweeper instead of a CB in the middle?
 

aftershock9

Registered User
A couple of notes: I meant Rieks for CM, not Reis. I think you will find that speed is important in that role, and Nolan, although being a great player on paper, just struggles at times to keep up with the game, especially against tough opposition. Also, Nivaldo, one of my recommendations for CB is now lowered in stats. He was 79 overall when I bought him, now he's 72. Konami seem to have adjusted his stats to bring him down in line with his price tag, but I got his higher stats for cheap for a short period, anyway.

Anyway, let's talk about defending... Your CBs are good in a lot of ways, but the next thing I would do to improve your squad would be to replace all three of them (or keep a couple to use as backups) with similar players but with minimum 75 top speed and 80 defence. 80 responsiveness and decent teamwork (min 75 if possible) would also help. One thing that a lot of people don't realize is that the defence ("awareness") stat is a catch-all stat (as is offence) which affects more than just the player's position. I think you will see that a player with 80 as opposed to 75 for defence will make much smarter tackles and movements as well, plus, of course, the positional awareness will also be better. In some ways, in fact, you could say that defence is a reflection of how good the player is a tackling in general (In other words, a very important stat!). I currently use Vellar and Congre, but I'm looking to maybe switch to three at the back as you have because, like just about everyone, I'm still more susceptible to the through ball than I would like. How is three at the back working for you? Do you concede a lot due to through passes to a central forward for a break away? Have you tried a sweeper instead of a CB in the middle?

Ah thanks for the suggestions. I will look to getting defenders with those attributes.

I have found moving to a back three has counteracted the spamming of throughballs but I'm still susceptible to throughballs when the CFs are speed merchants. Its frustating and i'd highly recommend getting a defender thats good with intercepts, however not sure if there is a stat that affects that?

As for Nolan, I'll look to keep him for now and look to upgrade the rest of the squad.

What I really struggle is trying to determine which attributes suit each position, but I guess its trial and error and seeing what makes sense.
 

iamcanadianeh

Registered User
Ah thanks for the suggestions. I will look to getting defenders with those attributes.

I have found moving to a back three has counteracted the spamming of throughballs but I'm still susceptible to throughballs when the CFs are speed merchants. Its frustating and i'd highly recommend getting a defender thats good with intercepts, however not sure if there is a stat that affects that?

As for Nolan, I'll look to keep him for now and look to upgrade the rest of the squad.

What I really struggle is trying to determine which attributes suit each position, but I guess its trial and error and seeing what makes sense.

Yeah, Nolan's not bad, and switching him isn't going to drastically change your side/performance. I've been trying the 3 CBs and so far it does seem pretty good.

Back to players...

So what position are you looking to fill next? You said you would like a SMF with balance and some speed (but not a speed merchant)? If that's right, which side? And how much do you have to spend? Or is it more a CF/SS that you feel you need?
 

aftershock9

Registered User
Yeah, Nolan's not bad, and switching him isn't going to drastically change your side/performance. I've been trying the 3 CBs and so far it does seem pretty good.

Back to players...

So what position are you looking to fill next? You said you would like a SMF with balance and some speed (but not a speed merchant)? If that's right, which side? And how much do you have to spend? Or is it more a CF/SS that you feel you need?

Position RMF is the next position I'm looking to upgrade and I have about 3m to spend.

My SS (kuyt) i just bought so I'll use him for a while. My CF L. Toure has been playing out of his skin but as I get more cash, I want to shift him more onto the bench and look to get a decent forward with good hold up play and good shot acc/shot power.
 

iamcanadianeh

Registered User
Position RMF is the next position I'm looking to upgrade and I have about 3m to spend.

My SS (kuyt) i just bought so I'll use him for a while. My CF L. Toure has been playing out of his skin but as I get more cash, I want to shift him more onto the bench and look to get a decent forward with good hold up play and good shot acc/shot power.

Any players in particular you're looking at for that position? Just to give us an idea what type of player you're looking for... There are lots of suggestions for SMFs in the preceding pages btw, since so many people like to buy players for that position whose primary position is another role in order to get the overall stat boost/value for the money.
 

aftershock9

Registered User
Any players in particular you're looking at for that position? Just to give us an idea what type of player you're looking for... There are lots of suggestions for SMFs in the preceding pages btw, since so many people like to buy players for that position whose primary position is another role in order to get the overall stat boost/value for the money.

Okay great - Let me have a look on previous pages. On a side note, I have been using PESTome and Pesdb.net. I like the feature on Pesdb.net, where you search a player and then use the "look for similar players" functionality. I then sort by cost of acquisition and look for the cheapest player.
 

aftershock9

Registered User
Apologies all I just realized that I have derailed this thread.

To continue this thread back on its path, my recommendation:

L. Toure (http://pesdb.net/pes2013/player.php?id=33274) - CF 71. If you are looking for a cheap but powerful (for the price) CF, you can't do much wrong with him. He is good in the air and holds up the ball nicely. I got him for 1.6m with a contract.
 

wheresmark

Registered User
I'm not on my ps3 but I will tell you who I have, sorry for the spelling as I'm not on ps3 ;)

Adan
Janviles
Adoubaye
alkwiejd
negli
mokitjo
steven vitoria
ljajic
mutu
pertorbenov
van der mirch (sorry)

Salpangidis
hubschmann
anita
mehmdi/mehadi :/ Am/lm/rm/ss
De marcos
macheda
barretto
lewandowski
kukki


They are all cheap except from mutu and lewnan.
 

Bimauz

Registered User
Some cheap and good players:

Rakytskyi (CB, DMF)
Babanco (LB)
Cohade, the precious tireless (CMF, DMF)
Rodrigo (spaniard CF)
 

nbn

Registered User
Diamanti, he is Italian national. Plays AMF, great control and vision. Yes, the same guy that played for West Ham Utd. Think hes like 2m at max.
 
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