Position/rating question

[rickqlo]

I've noticed when editing position's in the Set Formation menu, player's ratings tend to change for example they might be 85 in AMF but when you change the position to CMF they might have 75 and I was just wondering if this had any impact on their performance or is it just a numerical rating?

Because if it did have an effect on their performance, you could potentially put a player on the RMF and label their position as AMF without having any drop in performance.

Apologies if this has been asked already

 

[faiyez]

I've noticed when editing position's in the Set Formation menu, player's ratings tend to change for example they might be 85 in AMF but when you change the position to CMF they might have 75 and I was just wondering if this had any impact on their performance or is it just a numerical rating?

It causes an impact on performance because the player does not prefer to play in a position he's not used to. This has always been like that.

Because if it did have an effect on their performance, you could potentially put a player on the RMF and label their position as AMF without having any drop in performance.

That would be cheating.

Unless you've seen the player play in that position in real life and you decide to edit the game to reflect that.

 

[bunnywhi7e]

Its like having CR9 play CB lol.

 

[Stormrider]

I don't find that they lose ability when playing out of position but they do disappear from matches quite often cuz they're not sure what to do or where to go in their position.

Sometimes I also move a AMF to RMF but edit the position to AMF to suit my player. It really depends though cuz this will change the shape of your team, a lot of the times for the worse.

 

[ferdinand001]

You only can do that in certain areas... If you put a AMF as SF the performance its afected, and you cant put them as AMF in the position of SF because the system does not alow that. (BLUE-GREEN-RED areas)... In the other hand, IMO, if you put a AMF in the possition of a DMF the system make the player try to go for the offensive... meybe its no a good idea.

 

[Sabatasso]

That would be cheating.

Unless you've seen the player play in that position in real life and you decide to edit the game to reflect that.

That's bullshit.

Put the player where you want, and call the position whatever you want.
If you don't think that's cheating, then it isn't cheating. Besides, a AMF in the RMF position would act different than if he was labelled RMF anyway.

Brazil got a formation like this by default.

 

[faiyez]

That's bullshit.

Put the player where you want, and call the position whatever you want.
If you don't think that's cheating, then it isn't cheating.

If you're going to listen to him, you might as well raise the players' stats to all 99 while you're at it.

I'd rather play the game the way it's supposed to be played. For instance, when I play Chelsea in 4-4-2 it has RMF and LMF positions by default, and Joe Cole is RMF. But since Ballack can't play the LMF position by default I just edit the LMF position in this formation to AMF, rather than editing the player.

 

[Stormrider]

If you're going to listen to him, you might as well raise the players' stats to all 99 while you're at it.

I'd rather play the game the way it's supposed to be played. For instance, when I play Chelsea in 4-4-2 it has RMF and LMF positions by default, and Joe Cole is RMF. But since Ballack can't play the LMF position by default I just edit the LMF position in this formation to AMF, rather than editing the player.

Nobody mentioned anything about editing the players :erm: the whole time we were talking about editing formations

 

[sniper09]

That would be cheating.

Unless you've seen the player play in that position in real life and you decide to edit the game to reflect that.

I don't see how that's cheating at all. I often put Rooney in the CF position but label him a SS because he's 93.

Same as Eto'o, he's 88 as a SS striker and only 85 as a CF.

Ronaldo's a 93 as a LWF or RWF.

 

[Sabatasso]

If you're going to listen to him, you might as well raise the players' stats to all 99 while you're at it.

Well, that's not even remotely the same.
It's fucked up that players gets slower when they are playing out of position. I doubt Cristiano Ronaldo would run any slower if he was pushed down to a right back position in real life ^^

Anyway, I never told him to change positions on his player, but on his tactics.
As I already mentioned, Brazil plays 4-4-2 without RMF and LMF but two AMF's in those positions.

EDIT: And it's also exactly what the AI does when you've got the "Auto form change" activated, so how in the hell is that cheating?

 

[faiyez]

Sorry, I misunderstood. You're right.

But it does make sense that players playing out of position have stat penalties. In this I disagree with you.

 

[Blaz00r]

Its just a numerical value, it has no effect on the player ability. If you put CR as a CB, you'll still be able to run past players with ease, its just a number to show how good the player is in that position according to Konami (which btw are completely clueless, Giovinco as a LWF has a value of 57, wtf?).

 

[TechGuyatNY]

Its just a numerical value, it has no effect on the player ability. If you put CR as a CB, you'll still be able to run past players with ease, its just a number to show how good the player is in that position according to Konami (which btw are completely clueless, Giovinco as a LWF has a value of 57, wtf?).

what he said. it's just a numerial value to replace the hex graph in the old games

i disapprove of this new method... putting a player out of position doesn't affect his stats, only his happiness in master league

 

[TechGuyatNY]

btw, i find, SB, AMF, and CF overall ratings very underrated in PES2010. according to this magical "overall" stat, ibrah and etoo are better as a SS than a CF, xavi and pirlo are better as DM than AM, and muntari is a better DM than dani alves as a SB. it doesn't make sense...

in fact, in PES2010 every CF who has SS listed in their position are better SS than CF. i tested this with inzaghi. i gave him SS and he had a higher rating as a SS than CF... same with WB. i gave quaresma WB and he had a higher WB rating than most SB's

it's bull, i want it gone and i want my hex graph back. hex graphs tell you more than an overall stat. for ex, beckham and wright phillips are rated pretty much the same in PES2010 according to the overall stat. but if you look at their hex graph in PES editor, beckham is slow and a good crosser. wright phillips is fast and a bad crosser... hex graph tells you more

 

[Stormrider]

Yea the ratings are pretty wack I don't pay much attention to them but Pirlo in reality is not a good AMF although I think in Pes this is achieved completely by accident lol.

 

[Stormrider]

The other day I was using Liverpool. I played Voronin at RMF which he doesn't have but I figured no big deal his abilities are still there. Boy was I wrong lol he was absolute crap.

So I went to do some testing in training mode. It's a fact that you need dribble accuracy of 80 to do the sharp 90 degree turn so I used this method to gauge performance. Gerrard, Voronin, Kuyt, Babel, these are all players who can do a sharp turn but once played out of position their dribbling became crap. The only person at the club that didn't lose the sharp turn was Benayoun cuz his dribbling was already high at 90. Babel with 86 still couldn't do it so that means you lose somewhere between 7-9 points from playing out of position.

 

[Sabatasso]

The other day I was using Liverpool. I played Voronin at RMF which he doesn't have but I figured no big deal his abilities are still there. Boy was I wrong lol he was absolute crap.

So I went to do some testing in training mode. It's a fact that you need dribble accuracy of 80 to do the sharp 90 degree turn so I used this method to gauge performance. Gerrard, Voronin, Kuyt, Babel, these are all players who can do a sharp turn but once played out of position their dribbling became crap. The only person at the club that didn't lose the sharp turn was Benayoun cuz his dribbling was already high at 90. Babel with 86 still couldn't do it so that means you lose somewhere between 7-9 points from playing out of position.

Thank you, I rest my case

 

[Blaz00r]

The other day I was using Liverpool. I played Voronin at RMF which he doesn't have but I figured no big deal his abilities are still there. Boy was I wrong lol he was absolute crap.

So I went to do some testing in training mode. It's a fact that you need dribble accuracy of 80 to do the sharp 90 degree turn so I used this method to gauge performance. Gerrard, Voronin, Kuyt, Babel, these are all players who can do a sharp turn but once played out of position their dribbling became crap. The only person at the club that didn't lose the sharp turn was Benayoun cuz his dribbling was already high at 90. Babel with 86 still couldn't do it so that means you lose somewhere between 7-9 points from playing out of position.

Sorry, but this is bullshit.
I did the exact same thing with Juventus and used Giovinco and Diego, played them both in their "original" position (yeah right, Gio's original position atm is LMF/LWF and for some weird reason he got a rank of 58 in that position) - dribbled, passed, etc, and then switched them both to CB's, and guess what? NOTHING changed, absolutely nothing, they were still as agile and fast as before. I even counted the seconds it took them to get from one end of the pitch to the other - exact same time in both positions.

Don't confuse people, those stats are just a numerical value that replace the hexagon.

 

[Stormrider]

Sorry, but this is bullshit.
I did the exact same thing with Juventus and used Giovinco and Diego, played them both in their "original" position (yeah right, Gio's original position atm is LMF/LWF and for some weird reason he got a rank of 58 in that position) - dribbled, passed, etc, and then switched them both to CB's, and guess what? NOTHING changed, absolutely nothing, they were still as agile and fast as before. I even counted the seconds it took them to get from one end of the pitch to the other - exact same time in both positions.

Don't confuse people, those stats are just a numerical value that replace the hexagon.

Did you not read the Benayoun part? You should really fully read something before replying next time. Well in case you still don't get it after reading it again, Diego and Giovinco's dribble accuracy is already really high so despite the big stat loss they're still capable dribblers. Not sure about speed and other stats but some stats took a hit that's a fact.

Why don't you go and play Amauri, Marchisio, and Salihamidzic at CB and tell me you still have fun dribbling with them. Also when testing you have to make sure all players are green arrows otherwise you're just wasting your time. Amateurs

 

[Blaz00r]

Ok, went to check it again, and you were actually right :erm:
Moved Marchisio to CB and his 90 degree turns had really changed. Then I tried moving Giovinco to AMF (80) from LWF (56), and actually noticed he trapped the ball faster and became much more agile.
Well, atleast now I know why he sucked so much. Just changing his position title (and not even touching his position on the field) from LWF to SS gives him a 72 and makes him much better, how dumb is that?

This is just about the STUPIDEST thing Konami could bring into the game. Who are they to decide what position suits the player better? Giovinco nowdays plays as a LWF, why do I have to play him as an AMF to get his full abilities? Same with Melo which is a CMF and NOT a DMF, but no, Konami knows best - they gave him 86 as DMF and 76 as CMF.
Gah, so stupid.