It's internet thug talk for I'm a raging fanboy I know, but no way I plan on admitting it so I'll just reply with "biatch."
Pro Evo 2012 vs FIFA 12
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riverplatelv
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FIFA is always better when u dont have it installed, once u do u will realize that PES is the better game... its just a mind game. U playing PES, thinking how bad this game is and wish FIFA was installed. Once it is, u soon notice all goals are the same, very repetitive gameplay
Ha-ha! True for some games for sure. But I installed FIFA and I have to say I'm enjoying it because it's not a broken, frustrating mess like PES 2012.
Absolutely. But creating and assigning custom tactics fixes a lot of that.
Sup Abu 97,
I don't know why you even bother trying to explain to Shaun7 anything about Fifa.
It should be clear to you by now that he does not play the game. He only finds these idiotic, senseless, false things to say about the game ...and then of course say it for kids. My thinking is ..if kids can play it, then why can't he?
Point them to videos, Shaun7 and Techboy that is ....Defending for Shaun7 who states you can't tackle in some areas of the field. Maybe he should learn that the new TD is about timing and covering. Learn how to do these here...it is pretty simple. This kills the whole shit he wrote about defending. Other people are doing it just fine ...so it must be him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=talBIzfcvIA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Sx026HxOgc&feature=related\
and Proof that there is build up play and tackling anywhere on the field...not an "illusion" as Tech has stated over and over again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEtjof7dQx4
Again, I am sure they will come back with excuses. I posted vids already and they said it was human vs human ...I posted against the cpu and nothing .....just came back a few post over with the same ridiculous crap ...
While Shaun7 clearly doesn't play Fifa or hasn't spent enough time to even learn how to defend......Tech is renting his copy...
Don't waste you time bro...you, me and millions of others know that PES cannot walk into any stadium where Fifa dwells today.
Not saying PES isn't an effort ...its just not good enough .....beaten in sales 25 to 1. Who really argues against those numbers? noobs only noobsters.
Welcome to the United States of Fifa Abu!
EA...its in the game!
shaun7
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What a messy comeback. Really??? :laugh:
Ofcourse, DO NOT TRY TO EXPLAIN TO ME and the reason is very simple.
It's because I can see past Fifa's good side. I can see past all the nice touches and animations. I can see the bad side UNLIKE SOME OF YOU.
There's no argument to what I had written in the other post simply because I take reviewing seriously and I ACTUALLY INVEST TIME to review both the good and the bad side of the games and I AM NOT BLINDED by some nice touches. I look deep into a game.
Just so you know, I find Fifa 12 ACTUALLY EASIER than Fifa 11, simply because the glitches I mentioned may work in your favor aswell and the AI overall, is a step back from Fifa 11.
Also, you should know that I play it on World class and I find it really easy. The thing that hinders me sometimes is the obvious scripting and BS that the AI does on you.
So there goes your argument AGIAN.
Yes, by now, I quit playing fifa simply because it's unbearable and there are other AWESOME games out there. No not pes 12 if you may ask. That game still has problems that I hate.
Another BASELESS statement.
It is about timing until the AI goes superhuman in terms of reactions on you and then the BS starts to happen.Thing is, that although I like the fact that EA tried to make a different defending system than last year's STUPIDLY UNREALISTIC defending system, they just failed to execute it properly.
No matter how you defend, the AI will always 1vs1 you with your defender. The Ai will always play from the side, and either:
-cross the ball and score a header because the AI will win 99.95 of air balls
-or cut in from the side with your defender and doing a perfect finesse shot 90 derees from the goal net. NOW, THIS HAPPENS BECAUSE OF THESE SPOTS IN THE PITCH WHERE A TACKLE NEVER WORKS.
But I guess it's useless explaining this to someone who just doesn't want to accept and face reality.
markcross
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muscularmatt
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I've still not played it because my PS3 has cancer, but I thought 2011 was excellent and a lot of people slagged that off too. As I've said, I can't help but feel alot of people will never be happy, no matter how much improvement is made.
I wish PES12 WAS as good as YOU think it is!
AND it was as hard to "master" as you say it is, and as rewarding to play!
I really do!
Its a very soulless, broken game...and not very hard, even on super now!
PES12...
its another broken, over scripted coat of emulsion over a damp wall!
Time to build a new wall and get some proper plaster up before we start choosing on colour schemes and borders KONMAI!
Though the colour schemes and boarders are nice!
Its still built on top of a broken foundation that's never been solid since 2008!
I have FIFA12 as well...
though only got it "free" with PS3 number 2!
played it demo...disliked it due to the defensive controls...
played full game...changed to legacy defensive controls!
On surface, game looks nice...plays fine...reworked ball physics etc...
all very nice...
A lot LESS wrong with FIFA12 compared to PES12!
And to be fair...enjoyed it when i played it! Surprsiingly...
....but never set me on fire...and not even played it to same degree as PES12! Even though its the far more complete game with less errors!
KONAMI still has a chance here to ACTUALLY make the best played game of footy! I say played...as they are never going to beat EA on the other modes, teams, licences, commentary...but thats doesn't bother me that much as i have always loved ML and editing the teams and creating stadiums...though at the same time, i feel KONAMI SHOULD have more teams/leagues in the game and have a bit more finish to it!
Sad it takes a community to make a game into a more finished state than the company that made it!
But On the last 6 years...they have fallen WELL short of what's acceptable to put a £35+ price tag on broken version after broken version!
What a messy comeback. Really??? :laugh:
Ofcourse, DO NOT TRY TO EXPLAIN TO ME and the reason is very simple.
It's because I can see past Fifa's good side. I can see past all the nice touches and animations. I can see the bad side UNLIKE SOME OF YOU.
There's no argument to what I had written in the other post simply because I take reviewing seriously and I ACTUALLY INVEST TIME to review both the good and the bad side of the games and I AM NOT BLINDED by some nice touches. I look deep into a game.
Just so you know, I find Fifa 12 ACTUALLY EASIER than Fifa 11, simply because the glitches I mentioned may work in your favor aswell and the AI overall, is a step back from Fifa 11.
Also, you should know that I play it on World class and I find it really easy. The thing that hinders me sometimes is the obvious scripting and BS that the AI does on you.
So there goes your argument AGIAN.
Yes, by now, I quit playing fifa simply because it's unbearable and there are other AWESOME games out there. No not pes 12 if you may ask. That game still has problems that I hate.
Another BASELESS statement.
Thing is, that although I like the fact that EA tried to make a different defending system than last year's STUPIDLY UNREALISTIC defending system, they just failed to execute it properly.
No matter how you defend, the AI will always 1vs1 you with your defender. The Ai will always play from the side, and either:
-cross the ball and score a header because the AI will win 99.95 of air balls
-or cut in from the side with your defender and doing a perfect finesse shot 90 derees from the goal net. NOW, THIS HAPPENS BECAUSE OF THESE SPOTS IN THE PITCH WHERE A TACKLE NEVER WORKS.
But I guess it's useless explaining this to someone who just doesn't want to accept and face reality.
Shaun, I wouldn't even waste your finger energy replying anymore mate lol. You see, I see it, they don't. More pity them.
You can't slag FIFA and not PES - FIFA contains a more fundamental game than PES wheras PES is more advanced with it's brand new AI, but the question is which is one is more sim and less arcadey and which is more free to gamers? Obviously it's FIFA as it is more slow and has better graphics and not stupid things that piss us off unlike PES which is the way to go if you like buggy crappy games that have 2d cardboard faces and one of the most outdated collision stuff nonsense ever. Even the motio capture is stupid as it is 2012, not 2002. I don't think in Japan they don't know which year it is yet which is why pes 4 had better animations and collisions than the crap they release every year. When KONAMI sell the game and find out everyone has found out it's a bunch of bullcrap, they just give out patches which make the game better in some aspects and worse in other aspects.
Atleast FIFA try the final edition of the game before they release it.
Atleast FIFA try the final edition of the game before they release it.
You should have put 'think' not 'know'.
Both games have many issues. For whatever reason, people and reviewers are blind to the many issues of FIFA. How anyone has been able to rate any of the FIFA games above 7 is baffling. I know reviews are generally done over a short space of time, which could account for some lack of insight. But it only really takes a few days to see past the gloss. Some just don't have the ability or knowledge to see the problems. Which is good for them, as they get a game they can enjoy. Ignorance is bliss after all.
Is PES any better? Its a completely different game, in that the initial impressions don't show its depth and character. Previously PES games slowly improved the more you play them (PS2), now they improve up to the point they frustrate you so much that you can't play them anymore (will PES2012??). FIFA, strangely starts off promising, but gradually gets worse the more you play.
The difference between the 2, for me, is that along the journey, Ive had some enjoyment from every version of PES. On the other hand, I haven't enjoyed playing one game of FIFA since the very first 2 on the mega drive. And enjoyment is what playing games is about.
PES2012 could have a great amount of longevity if it addressed the issues of the passing inconsistencies, automated movement of human controlled players and scripting. The other niggles I could probably live with for a year if these were sorted out.
Abu, I have said time and time again, that PES has/had huge flaws. Out of the box it was very good, but the keepers were like Stephen Hawkings......on a bad day. Then KONAMI tried to disguise the fact that keepers were bad, by making all shots go centrally; nice one KONAMI...you would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for those pesky kids! Then patch 1.02, or 'PARK THE BUS' patch. So, yeah, if you look at objectively, the stuff that KONAMI released was pretty shit. FIFA was an all round 6/10 or something, I don't know, I don't care, say 6/10.
BUT, the point is PES have superior patch makers, now I don't know about FIFA so I can't comment, but the games I have at my disposal now, particularly on the PC (although Chimps is making a good fist of it with the PS3 too) absolutely blows FIFA out of the water.
Graphically superior, responsive, gameplay and AI stunning, stadiums and grass textures, scoreboards, presentation, ball physics; basically all the 'razzmatazz' stuff that PES was missing and that FIFA had, you can patch. But the same can't be said about FIFA, you see you can patch things into a game and change things here and there, but FIFA's AI and gameplay will ALWAYS BE SHIT because the underlying engine is just rubbish. If I can be bothered I'll upload a video I did earlier a random game it was between me and Newcastle, then tell me which is the sim and which is an arcade glitch/cheat fest.
Amateur
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What a messy comeback. Really??? :laugh:
Ofcourse, DO NOT TRY TO EXPLAIN TO ME and the reason is very simple.
It's because I can see past Fifa's good side. I can see past all the nice touches and animations. I can see the bad side UNLIKE SOME OF YOU.
There's no argument to what I had written in the other post simply because I take reviewing seriously and I ACTUALLY INVEST TIME to review both the good and the bad side of the games and I AM NOT BLINDED by some nice touches. I look deep into a game.
Just so you know, I find Fifa 12 ACTUALLY EASIER than Fifa 11, simply because the glitches I mentioned may work in your favor aswell and the AI overall, is a step back from Fifa 11.
Also, you should know that I play it on World class and I find it really easy. The thing that hinders me sometimes is the obvious scripting and BS that the AI does on you.
So there goes your argument AGIAN.
Yes, by now, I quit playing fifa simply because it's unbearable and there are other AWESOME games out there. No not pes 12 if you may ask. That game still has problems that I hate.
Another BASELESS statement.
Thing is, that although I like the fact that EA tried to make a different defending system than last year's STUPIDLY UNREALISTIC defending system, they just failed to execute it properly.
No matter how you defend, the AI will always 1vs1 you with your defender. The Ai will always play from the side, and either:
-cross the ball and score a header because the AI will win 99.95 of air balls
-or cut in from the side with your defender and doing a perfect finesse shot 90 derees from the goal net. NOW, THIS HAPPENS BECAUSE OF THESE SPOTS IN THE PITCH WHERE A TACKLE NEVER WORKS.
But I guess it's useless explaining this to someone who just doesn't want to accept and face reality.
The only way of fixing that is by implementing a range of movement within the space, then the 1vs1 confrontation (although determined, to some extent, by statistics) would be ultimately determined by the ability of the gamer.
Without a range of movement within the space, the computer simply overrules the statistics every now and then, in order to make the game more challenging: but of course, the problem is, that it takes away from the consistency and the substance of the game.
I know pes 2012 is great once modded on the pc and so is FIFA. FIFA is bril once edited and patched and it also has a great AI and player individuality is better. This is obv because of editing but out of the box FIFA is better. Demo 2 for me probably beat FIFA by a small margin
Ofcourse, DO NOT TRY TO EXPLAIN TO ME and the reason is very simple.
It's because I can see past Fifa's good side. I can see past all the nice touches and animations.
Contradictory! I thought you said Fifa was crap.
Just so you know, I find Fifa 12 ACTUALLY EASIER than Fifa 11,
So there goes your argument AGIAN.
What? Where? You haven't said anything ..nada ...so where goes what argument?
So because you think Fifa 12 is easier than Fifa 11....there goes my argument? Really :w00t
Another BASELESS statement.
You didn't even look at one of the videos, did you? :blush:
I knew you wouldn't.
As I have stated before, YOU DO NOT PLAY FIFA and its clearly obvious. All these ridiculous statements with no proof.
CASE CLOSED/
So, basically you don't really play Fifa! So why comment on something you know nothing of?
So in summarizing your statements above, is if safe to say you do not know much about Fifa? I am seeing a trend here.
You are contradicting yourself again bro..:blush:
I not sure if you are saying Fifa is good or bad...you guys flip flop so freaking much. ...
I hope Abu97 is getting my point. None of the above persons really play Fifa. Maybe they have tried it ...but not liked it.
It is clear they have hammered buttons playing PES which they prefer ...and there is nothing wrong with that.
What is wrong however, is bashing a game that they do not play ...just because of their hatred for EA.
:no: Sad but true
kill dem
Sigh - OCKRASS - I feel we're like a dog chasing his tail here, so I'll break it down REAL simple.
1) I bought and played PES
2) I bought and played FIFA
During the PES/patches debacle I put PES on the sidelines and SO EXCLUSIVELY played FIFA.
I had a season with it and can tell you it was one of the most joyless dull affairs I have ever been through.
I was CM, World Class mode, 10 minute halves, as Liverpool. I finished top of my league. I had to change some slider settings numerous times because there was always something not quite right about it. In all slider changes I mirrored my changes with the CPU, so as to not cheat (although I firmly believe that CPU responsiveness and acceleration is cheating anyway).
During this season these are the things I noticed that put me off FIFA big time -
1) The lack of fluidity and free play. In becoming more 'sim-like', the games panned out EXACTLY the same OVER AND OVER AND OVER again. I scored the same goals, OVER AND OVER AGAIN and the CPU scored the same GOALS OVER AND OVER AGAIN. My goals would come from any combination of trigger runs and one two's, and the CPU would constantly try and get me on the wide, then attack the corner of the 18 yard box, one on one. To me, this is dull as dog shit.
2) Glitchy spots - as Shaun said, there are just areas on the pitch when tackling becomes impossible.
3) Free kicks and yellow cards - I must have had about 1 free kick all career and 1 yellow card lol, okay that may be a bit of a lie but it wasn't far off that
4) Lack of an aerial game, the trajectory at which balls get pinged to the strikers is too flat thus ensuring that you cannot play a long ball game
5) Players feel exactly the same - FIFA relies on speed/acceleration/agility, these are the only stats that matter, someone like Jamie Carragher who has years of defensive knowledge is just useless on this game, I ended up putting Maxi Rodriguez as CB most of the time because it just worked better, this is just wrong and unrealistic
6) The impact engine?!? (shakes my head) there were constantly times where free kicks should have been given for body checks etc and just weren't.
7) Just general cheats - there were games when the CPU would just say you're not going to score. I had one game which sticks out in teh memory where I had 4, YES FOUR, shots saved within the six yard box, which were just scripted saves. Ridiculous.
8) No difference whether you play Barce or Burton Albion - I use Burton as an example, because I played a League/FA Cup against them. They were quite simply stunning, talk about Barce, eat your heart out. 1 MOVE consisted of around 60 passes, I shit you not. These are FIFA times, as I like to call it, when the CPU pass 'illusory script' kicks in and the CPU just hold possession for an eternity to fk you over, getting themselves THAT ball which gets them one on one in the corner of said 18 yard box.
9) Ball bounce feels scripted, doesn't feel organic
I could go on...
I then sold FIFA and was going to sell PES, but on sell day it simply wasn't worth selling PES so I had to keep hold of it. Thank goodness I did because a week or so later the patches started to come out for the gaming community, Chimps for the PS3 and a whole host of others for the PC.
So OCKRASS - can we take these as assumptions before you write anything else in the future
Point 1) I played FIFA to death
Point 2) I played PES to death
Simples. Now armed with this knowledge feel free to post what you like, but remember that I have extensive experience of both games at a high level on both (offline), online I just can't stomach (on both).