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Pro Evo 2012 vs FIFA 12

orlandoSPUR

Registered User
I am a 4 year university graduate bro.....so don't try that!




Hmmm, taking it racial now? So if you are black ...your life sucks right?

Really?:w00t

Well i am black......
What color are you?

Clearly he wasn't saying anything racial at all... He was saying you see things either in black or white,Nothing in between...like saying you see something from the perspective of a glass half full or half empty


I should try that. :blush:[/QUOTE]
 

baangus

Registered User
Hmmm, taking it racial now? So if you are black ...your life sucks right?

Really?:w00t

Well i am black......
Let's see:

- You say you're black.
- Your life sucks so bad apparently that you have nothing better to do than troll game forums and post idiotically childish comments like the one above.

So are you telling us your being black and miserable is the reason for your ridiculous behavior?
 

baangus

Registered User
I could not have put it any better. My two cents is that Seabass should be replaced or Konami should move the PES series to another third party developer.

Good post bro.
Amazing, there's a discerning mind behind all that trolling and baiting BS after all.
 

markcross

Banned
I am a 4 year university graduate bro.....so don't try that!




Hmmm, taking it racial now? So if you are black ...your life sucks right?

Really?:w00t

Well i am black......
What color are you?




I should try that. :blush:

considering u hav a 4 year degree u cum across as a right idoit with no common sense wot so ever, and tryin to wave the racist card lol, everyone else could see what the other guy meant yet u try to twist his words... grow up son
 

abu97

Registered User
the only real flaw that I could think of in 2011 was the catch up bug, and the floating ball effect. All Konami had to do is address these 2 issues, add the off ball control and new tackling system and they would have had a gem of a game for 2012

So you didn't mind your cb's running away from every through ball, half your team beign offside, cutting in with a player like David Villa as if he was a double-decker bus, Every player being so heavy, no feeling in passing or shooting, no responsiveness in total, shooting being too easy, not being able to pass to a player right next you.

If you say you didn't have any problems with the issues i mentioned, you definitely are a die-hard pes fan
 

Mr Maverick

Registered User
I do think there is an element of truth in that, but a company like KONAMI should be bolder, and not radically change the gameplay so much from demo 1 and 2 to this mess of a hybrid we have now.

KONAMI this year has smacked of not doing what the fk is going on themselves, it's like they released the two demo's to get huge amounts of feedback because they really didn't know what they had on their hands and what direction to take PES.

I genuinely think they were lost this year. The ironic part is that as people have touched upon, I loved demo 1 and 2. They were different from each other yes, but if they had released either of them as retail I think I would have been much happier than what we have now. I played those two demos to fkin death, my missus was absolutely sick to the stomach of Ribbery, Robben, Bale and Eto, and was sick at the sound of me yelling at the tv when Jelavic scored another superb header. Those games got caned.

But KONAMI didn't have any balls this year; they should have said, right this is what the game is (demo 1/2), we will listen to feedback in terms of subleties like shots, passing etc etc and general ball physics. But we don't give a toss about user input with regards to gameplay. If they were going to go away from PES2011, they should have just taken the plunge and jumped, all in.

I had so much fun trying to beat Napoli, I went a run of about 15 games once where I just couldn't beat them, then I discovered the perfect tactic against them and the sense of achievement was palpable. Man, those Napoli front three caused me fkin hours of headaches!

But you know what, I loved the challenge. The CPU would cane me, 3-0, 4-0, but I never had the feeling of injustice, not as much as when I WIN 2-1 NOW, but get pissed off cos even that CPU goal was scripted.

The game is a combination of everything now, that's why it's not pleasing anyone. It's like demo 1 and 2 mashed together, with elements of PES2011 (good and bad, sim like on times but players on rails), and now we have a further mash of patches.

I'm no programmer genius, but even I can conclude that this situation ain't good!?!

Seriously now peeps, a straw poll....how many, given the chance right now, would just prefer KONAMI to give is demo 1 or 2, and just scrap what they have now? I'd guess quite a few.

Listen I can play the game and get some enjoyment out of it, it's in the form of a highly modded 1.01 with Jenkey's stuff going on.

But even I would prefer the feel and playability of the demos compared to what we have now.

I don't think KONAMI are decisive enough anymore, it's like everyone in their development team is shit scared to make a decision, shit scared to question Seabass, shit scared to say right this is the way we are going; if half the PES fuckers don't like it then fuck them. But this is the route we're going down and they'll thank us for it in the end!

What we have is a rabbit in the headlight approach, where they are all peeping over the duvet, testing, probing, taking EVERYTHING we say to heart because they are shit scared of FIFA and its sales!

There's no logic to KONAMI and no long term thinking. Where people are angry is the apparent lack of focus and direction - why release PES 2011 and make it what it was, if PES 2012 was going to be so different? For many, what was needed was PES 2011, just smoother and more consistent, with all the shitty CPU cheating taken out. Make it nicer, then spend the other 9 months just tinkering with it to make a perfect PES2011 for PES2012.

What they did was totally change the game....well why release PES 2011 as it was in the first place?!? What, their forward planning lasts a year at a time does it? Well change it they did, but even worse than that they then changed it radically again from the demos that were served up....aaaarrrrggghhhhh.

Man, PES could really have shat all over FIFA this year, this was their BIG YEAR to get it right, they should have sensed a split in the FIFA ranks early doors and said you know what, FIFA is going to hugely split their community this year, many, many people will be looking for an alternative, now let's bring back PES and get back those lost supporters who deserted us for FIFA 09. They should have said we've got them by the balls in terms of gameplay and AI, let's now make this game accessible, let's make it polished, let's get a finished, gleaming gem out, out of the box and let's get it right for a fking change! This quaint, little Japanese, oh look how retro everything looks, oh bless them, bollocks has got to stop. It's just not good enough in this day and age of NBA 2k11, Uncharted 3, Battlefield etc etc. FIFA probably gets 2 million sales alone for having the shiny Sky Sports style presentation. Fk me, even that KONAMI baseball game they released looks the real deal...so why not making the biggest sports game in the world look good!?!?

Oh man, KONAMI irritate me so much....

Listen I'm a PES man, always have been always will be. Call me blind, call me what you want, but I can always get something out of the game. This was THE YEAR that KONAMI were going to give us something back, fk me they owe us one...in fact they owe us two, for the rubbish that was churned out at the start of next gen. KONAMI could have made a serious dent into FIFA this year, and next year could have been a serious move to parity with FIFA. I firmly believe that EA are running out of ideas with regards to their game engine, I don't think they have something different in their locker, I think they know that, but they also know that KONAMI have the undoubted ability to fk up a cup of coffee, and it's proving so again.

I am entitled to my opinion; this year I shelled out £40 for the US version just to play it two weeks before release, then a further £40 for the UK version...I then shelled out £30 for the PC version, so that's £110 of my money that is funding KONAMI. But the vast majority going forward aren't going to be like me, they are going to say times are hard right now, I have one footy purchase in me this year, what will it be? And for all it's shitty gameplay and glitches, FIFA will probably be people's choice during these hard times because everything is an accessible 6/10. It's a dull, soulless product which will continue to sell so long as KONAMI don't have any clue in which to take the PES series.

I agree this much, its not even funny.

Konami have given us so many amazing games over the years.......but I think its time to part ways with the series, they have no idea where to go with this and they seem so clueless now, PES 2012, I so WANTED to love it but...I just can't, too frustrating, too scripted, too outright ridiculous at times.

Konami should just give the series to the 2K Sports team tbh, being a huge fan of NBA 2K11 and 12 and seeing the quality jobs they did with MLB and NFL, they should just give PES to them and have them bring the series back to where it SHOULD be now
 

g221911g

Registered User
I agree this much, its not even funny.

Konami have given us so many amazing games over the years.......but I think its time to part ways with the series, they have no idea where to go with this and they seem so clueless now, PES 2012, I so WANTED to love it but...I just can't, too frustrating, too scripted, too outright ridiculous at times.

Konami should just give the series to the 2K Sports team tbh, being a huge fan of NBA 2K11 and 12 and seeing the quality jobs they did with MLB and NFL, they should just give PES to them and have them bring the series back to where it SHOULD be now

Techboy's post; and this.
 

OCKRASS

Registered User
considering u hav a 4 year degree u cum across as a right idoit with no common sense wot so ever, and tryin to wave the racist card lol, everyone else could see what the other guy meant yet u try to twist his words... grow up son

Although I know you of all persons probably won't understand the importance of school since it is clear you have evaded them at all cost....A 4 year degree enhances knowledge and awareness plus some.

..and to all...Although I am aware that his statement was not probably racial, it still clearly indicates the logic or idea of equating anything that is black as bad or in his words "sucks" and anything that is white as good "great".

"..But your posts in general reflects that you're a black or white person. Something either sucks, or is great. Nothing in between....?


In today's world a statement like that is regarded as disrespectful and offensive in many ways to people.

There are many other ways to he could have made his point...i felt.

I for one like to point those backward statements when i see them anywhere.

But because i prefer Fifa over PES ....everyone jumps on my ass for pointing it out.

fucking noobs i tell ya :realmad:
 

Sabatasso

Banned
..and to all...Although I am aware that his statement was not probably racial, it still clearly indicates the logic or idea of equating anything that is black as bad or in his words "sucks" and anything that is white as good "great".

"..But your posts in general reflects that you're a black or white person. Something either sucks, or is great. Nothing in between....?

If you look for racism with Argus eyes, you will find it everywhere. Chess, why does white always start? RACISM!!!! Piano, why are there more ivory than ebony? RACISM!!!!!!

There is one thing I hate more than zealous religious people, and it's racism card bashers. Seeing racism where there is none is just pathetic.

PS. I was clearly going for an ink and paper analogy, everyone but you and your failed "4 year degree powered" analyze could see that.
 

OCKRASS

Registered User
If you look for racism with Argus eyes, you will find it everywhere. Chess, why does white always start? RACISM!!!! Piano, why are there more ivory than ebony? RACISM!!!!!!

There is one thing I hate more than zealous religious people, and it's racism card bashers. Seeing racism where there is none is just pathetic.

PS. I was clearly going for an ink and paper analogy, everyone but you and your failed "4 year degree powered" analyze could see that.

Ink and paper my ass!

Your comment (whatever the intention) clearly states one thing....

I see things in black and white .....black being bad and white being good.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that what you stated is fucked up.

don't try to waste your time with me bro.....i think you are racist.

if you had said that around where I live, you would have gotten punched in the throat immediately....fool.

Ink and paper shit .....why didn't you say that in the first place? :angry:

biaach
 

Sabatasso

Banned
It's a common analogy dating from before african mass slavery you dimwitted dillweed. Educated my ass...

don't try to waste your time with me bro.....i think you are racist.

You're not even close, in fact I like both Latinos and Negroes quite much in general. I don't really worry about color when picking friends. I doubt you and me would go along well, though...
 

OCKRASS

Registered User
It's a common analogy dating from before african mass slavery..

in fact I like both Latinos and Negroes quite much in general. ...

Listen to this idiot. Is that how you refer to blacks now....negroes?

I think you meant niggaz...

Spoken like a true racist.

Punk ass
 

MozzyEng

Registered User
Listen to this idiot. Is that how you refer to blacks now....negroes?

I think you meant niggaz...

Spoken like a true racist.

Punk ass

Lol. Negroes. whats racist about that? Funny old world innit. If i said nigger id be a racist bastard, But when a black person calls another black person nigger which a lot of them do in america its ok. The race card element arises again!
 

Sabatasso

Banned
Listen to this idiot. Is that how you refer to blacks now....negroes?

I think you meant niggaz...

Spoken like a true racist.

Punk ass

Need I mention that Spurs, my team, is also nicknamed "Yids", and that Spurs has relatively many "deep colored" (satisfied?) players. Many of which are among my favorite players, I might add.

The only reason why I actually bother to defend myself against your pathetic postings is because I like to bicker. I actually called your bluff several posts ago, and you have to do a lot better to actually antagonize me. I actually doubt that someone with 4 years of higher education (yay!) can actually be as stupid as you act right now. But on the other hand, education is not an IQ proof either, it's just a proof that you can read and remember stuff for a few weeks until the exam is done. I know, because I have some education myself ;)

Anyway, I can understand that there are racists in the world when idiots like you are around. You alone would be reason enough for certain people to hate an entire race. At least if you're anything like you act on this board...

PS. Negro means "Black" in Spanish, hardly a racist word is it? Afro American isn't a good name, hardly all Negroes are Americans with an African heritage.
And lowering myself your standards, I have way more black clothes than white, because I prefer black over white. That must mean that I am not a racist at all... By the looks of it, I am a Negro lover, actually.

I do like Negresses when I think about it...a lot.
 

g221911g

Registered User
There is one thing I hate more than zealous religious people, and it's racism card bashers. Seeing racism where there is none is just pathetic.

Why did I even step into this...

Let me preface by saying I don't think you meant to be racist with the 'black and white' comment. But.......

This is an interesting statement. I have some genuine questions: So you hate a racism-card-basher more than a racist? (and if this is true) Do you hate people that falsely accuse others of rape MORE than rapists as well? I'm just wondering if this logic applies across the board in your life or if it's something specific to racism. According to that list, the best (worst) a racist could be is third. And looking at the first two on your list, I doubt it's that high. (Maybe I'm just reading too much into an overly dramatic statement?)

Honest Question: And what, exactly, is a racism card basher? Is it someone who calls racism when there is none? Or someone who simply calls racism? For that matter, what do you think about people who just throw the term around in an attempt to trivialize legitimate issues?

Also I thought you used a pretty interesting choice of words for your 'latino' and 'negro' friends. Do you call your friends 'negroes' to their faces? Do you call your 'latino' friends 'morenos'? Because that would be the equal term...Or 'African' if we're referring to 'Latino'.

Wow...too much writing, but like I said, all genuine questions.

And Mozzy, I hope you're not serious in that statement. You think a white person calling a black person a nigger is in the same context as a black person who says it to another black person?

Do you find it okay to slag off all races because you've heard 'one of them say it to another'? You go around calling Italians guineas and wops?

I've heard a latino call another a spic, but I don't go around using that as a reason to do it myself.

Maybe I would if I thought like that though. Sounds like an excuse to me.

Imagine that, I should just go around calling white people 'pale', or 'cracker' or 'devil' just because I've heard one of them use it. When confronted with an inevitable racism charge, I'll just say they're using the 'race-card' again.

I think I'm starting to see how this works....
 

markcross

Banned
Why did I even step into this...

Let me preface by saying I don't think you meant to be racist with the 'black and white' comment. But.......

This is an interesting statement. I have some genuine questions: So you hate a racism-card-basher more than a racist? (and if this is true) Do you hate people that falsely accuse others of rape MORE than rapists as well? I'm just wondering if this logic applies across the board in your life or if it's something specific to racism. According to that list, the best (worst) a racist could be is third. And looking at the first two on your list, I doubt it's that high. (Maybe I'm just reading too much into an overly dramatic statement?)

Honest Question: And what, exactly, is a racism card basher? Is it someone who calls racism when there is none? Or someone who simply calls racism? For that matter, what do you think about people who just throw the term around in an attempt to trivialize legitimate issues?

Also I thought you used a pretty interesting choice of words for your 'latino' and 'negro' friends. Do you call your friends 'negroes' to their faces? Do you call your 'latino' friends 'morenos'? Because that would be the equal term...Or 'African' if we're referring to 'Latino'.

Wow...too much writing, but like I said, all genuine questions.

And Mozzy, I hope you're not serious in that statement. You think a white person calling a black person a nigger is in the same context as a black person who says it to another black person?

Do you find it okay to slag off all races because you've heard 'one of them say it to another'? You go around calling Italians guineas and wops?

I've heard a latino call another a spic, but I don't go around using that as a reason to do it myself.

Maybe I would if I thought like that though. Sounds like an excuse to me.

Imagine that, I should just go around calling white people 'pale', or 'cracker' or 'devil' just because I've heard one of them use it. When confronted with an inevitable racism charge, I'll just say they're using the 'race-card' again.

I think I'm starting to see how this works....

o dear, how the hell do u get so off topic in every thread m8, u reallllyyyy need to get out more pal, have u ever had a gf?
 

g221911g

Registered User
o dear, how the hell do u get so off topic in every thread m8, u reallllyyyy need to get out more pal, have u ever had a gf?

Thanks for the offer but I would never date a girl as stupid as you.

Plus, my wife gets upset when I have other girls...keep searching. I'm sure you'll find the right guy somewhere.

Read the posts before mine. I can't believe how utterly stupid you are. Aren't you embarrassed?
 
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