S-D-P
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Sorry your'e wrong , you can perform standing tackle in pes by tapping A when in the right position, you can also perform a similar action by tapping right trigger.
Pro Evo 2012 vs FIFA 12
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Sorry your'e wrong , you can perform standing tackle in pes by tapping A when in the right position, you can also perform a similar action by tapping right trigger.
yeah - when you are in a suitable condition. Are you trying to tell me that in real life you can stick your foot out only on the 'suitable' coniditions. Anyway pes doesn't know anything as when i am in a good position i can't stick my leg out.
I don't think you know much about footy
I don't think you know much about footy
S-D-P
Registered User
I dont remember saying that, its contextual and you have to time it right. Standing tackle isn't always as responsive as it could be however you have two different types of standing tackle at your disposal, you made it sound like standing tackle was non existent which frustrated me as its a big part of my game and I use it often.
And for the record mate, I don't need to defend my knowledge of football to you, nice try though.
in pes you don't have to time it right because the cpu decide when to do it. In fifa it is much more about timing because you could easily get in the book if you do it at the wrong place.
Let me ask you a question - which one of pes and fifa do you find has the most realistic stand tackling?
Let me ask you a question - which one of pes and fifa do you find has the most realistic stand tackling?
S-D-P
Registered User
Haven't tried fifa's new defensive system enough to comment so it would be unfair of me to make judgments on it. I came in this thread to respond to your comment not discuss pes v fifa. Sure it does the job, I found standing tackle in fifa 11 responsive and it took skill and timing especially against human players, although against legendary AI I felt standing tackles were less effective.
Not the best person to ask about fifa, I lost interest in it a while back. Played a bit of fifa 12 just not for me.
S-D-P
Registered User
Maybe you should start reading posts properly before jumping in and accusing people of not knowing their football.
This is my point Abu97...most of the noobs here who are giving Fifa a bad name ...(get this) have never played the fuckin' game! :w00t
Would you believe that?
And they go on and on and on about how PES is better that Fifa.
At least SDP has now admitted that he does not play Fifa so really there is nothing he should be saying about the damn game.
The other noobster techguy or what his name said some silly sheit about Fifa defense ...i posted a video of proof ....he said "oh thats human against human" .
So I posted human vs cpu and guess what ....nothing. All a bunch of wanksters.
I play both games and I have more games invested in PES over Fifa because i was a PES fan boy. But now I cannot be biased, Fifa is fundamentally and strategically kicking PES arse in every department. Bar none.
Now i am not telling anyone here that they should choose Fifa over PES, all i am saying is that for many (millions) Fifa is the best football game on any console or PC to-date.
Their record sales is not a fluke or only kids supporting the game...its people like me who have decided that PES 6 is the best Konami has done so far and i am not planning on comparing or playing PES 6 in 2011-2012.
Join the United States of Fifa ....
shaun7
Registered User
:erm: What in the world is that?
I am biased? No.
I never said that pes 12 is perfect, and I listed what needs to change, however even though fifa 12 looks like a better game, when you take the time to review it, it is NOT. How is that biased??
You said tactical defending resembles real life? :no:
You said fifa 12's AI is good? :no:
You said that impact engine is awesome because of the collisions? :no:
You said fifa 12 has individuality? :no:
Now who's biased?
You seriously cannot review a game if you have never seen or experienced the issues that I listed about fifa 12's AI and how aweful it is. EA made an easy to exploit AI, but made it look hard because it takes advantage of glitches in the game and makes his players have superhuman reactions, and not to mention that 99.9% of air balls will always be won by the CPU. Oh and what about the FACT that the cpu ALWAYS scores the same goals?
The two goals that I am talking about are a cross and a header (because the AI will win 99.9% of air balls)
And a pass to the winger, getting rid of your midfielders, and then he will turn and favour his foot, become unstoppable until he reaches the middle point and finesse you (the other HUGE issue that I listed where there are spots in the pitch where a standing tackle NEVER works)
That tells me something right there.
It tells me that the AI DOES IN FACT take advantage of glitches and it does make his players have superhuman reactions.
So before you come in here and slate pes for having bad collisions (WHICH DOES NOT MATTER AT ALL IN THE GAMEPLAY DEPARTMENT), you'd better take a look at Fifa's aweful AI and glitches first because those that I listed above, make the game more unplayable than Pes. Not to mention the lack of individuality and the ridicules turning ability of every player (the square + X move).
If you're bragging about the collision system and how impact engine is awesome, that tells me that you're just seeing what catches your eye and THAT IS NOT GOOD REVIEWING AT ALL. TO REVIEW SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO GO much, much deeper.
I never stated that pes 12 was awesome. I said that pes 12's good side outweighs the bad side, however the bad side is extremely annoying.
Agree 100% Shaun.
Listen nobody is saying that PES has got it spot on, in fact this year PES has been analysed and scrutinised from top to bottom by every man and his dog, it's been unprecedented the amount of depth people have gone into finder its good points and bad.
BUT...
Fifa is like the game that is always better when you're not playing it. You play PES for around a while and things may stagnate a bit, in the back of your mind your thinking about FIFA with all it's presentation, the physics, the smoothness etc etc. You begin to ask yourself why aren't you playing FIFA, so you take the PES disc out and shove in the old enemy.
Hmm, brilliant you think, why aren't I playing this more, you think. Everything seems solid, no funny things happening, FIFA is the best game out there you conclude once again....
UNTIL YOU'VE HAD 30 MINUTES WITH IT AGAIN...
Then you see for all the smoothness, all the presentation, all the silkiness there are GLARING problems which gets you even angrier than PES rage -
1) Rubbish AI. Not necessarily the stagnant nature of your players, but the way the CPU constantly manufacturers itself into 'glitch' positions to score the goals that Shaun was talking about.
2) Balls bouncing to the CPU in higher level modes.
3) The same repetitive goals for the CPU, and the finesse sweet spots for the human
4) The way defences open up on 45 mins (for you and the CPU) and 90
5) Everything is too precise, why bother with tactics or players at all, everyone has Messi touch and control.
It's around this point that I conclude that once again FIFA has had me fooled, and that it plays a much, much better game in my head, when I'm not playing it. It's also around this point that I put PES back in the drive and see the following
AND PEOPLE SAY FIFA IS SIM, this is what PES has to make it SIM
1) Players booked, yellow and red cards
2) Actual fouls - you know those things you see up and down the country on Saturday on the playing fields
3) Variety of goals
4) The ball is alive and bouncing everywhere
5) Player individuality
6) A need to change tactics and change players around
7) Variety of CPU goals
8) Wonderful AI, for you and the CPU, from what I can see there are very few glitch areas in PES for either you or the CPU, the cross from the byline is WAY, WAY too overpowered for my liking, but in the higher levels the CPU stops you mainly from easily getting to the byline, so it balances out a little
For anyone not enjoying the game, on the PS3 by all accounts, you need to try Chimps and Goalgerd's latest effort, the gameplay is stunning and fair. For my money it's a little too easy because they have changed the game dynamics and somehow managed to almost take out the silly CPU scripted cheat goals. But for 95% of people using the OF, they have had to DROP DOWN A LEVEL because they find it tough.
FIFA is just one big pretty illusion, designed to fool the weak minded. I can see the cheap programming a mile off I'm afraid, say what you like about PES outdated menus, silly music, and a host of other things, I don't buy a football game to have shiny presentation, I buy the game for gameplay value, and for me PES is in front.
Listen nobody is saying that PES has got it spot on, in fact this year PES has been analysed and scrutinised from top to bottom by every man and his dog, it's been unprecedented the amount of depth people have gone into finder its good points and bad.
BUT...
Fifa is like the game that is always better when you're not playing it. You play PES for around a while and things may stagnate a bit, in the back of your mind your thinking about FIFA with all it's presentation, the physics, the smoothness etc etc. You begin to ask yourself why aren't you playing FIFA, so you take the PES disc out and shove in the old enemy.
Hmm, brilliant you think, why aren't I playing this more, you think. Everything seems solid, no funny things happening, FIFA is the best game out there you conclude once again....
UNTIL YOU'VE HAD 30 MINUTES WITH IT AGAIN...
Then you see for all the smoothness, all the presentation, all the silkiness there are GLARING problems which gets you even angrier than PES rage -
1) Rubbish AI. Not necessarily the stagnant nature of your players, but the way the CPU constantly manufacturers itself into 'glitch' positions to score the goals that Shaun was talking about.
2) Balls bouncing to the CPU in higher level modes.
3) The same repetitive goals for the CPU, and the finesse sweet spots for the human
4) The way defences open up on 45 mins (for you and the CPU) and 90
5) Everything is too precise, why bother with tactics or players at all, everyone has Messi touch and control.
It's around this point that I conclude that once again FIFA has had me fooled, and that it plays a much, much better game in my head, when I'm not playing it. It's also around this point that I put PES back in the drive and see the following
AND PEOPLE SAY FIFA IS SIM, this is what PES has to make it SIM
1) Players booked, yellow and red cards
2) Actual fouls - you know those things you see up and down the country on Saturday on the playing fields
3) Variety of goals
4) The ball is alive and bouncing everywhere
5) Player individuality
6) A need to change tactics and change players around
7) Variety of CPU goals
8) Wonderful AI, for you and the CPU, from what I can see there are very few glitch areas in PES for either you or the CPU, the cross from the byline is WAY, WAY too overpowered for my liking, but in the higher levels the CPU stops you mainly from easily getting to the byline, so it balances out a little
For anyone not enjoying the game, on the PS3 by all accounts, you need to try Chimps and Goalgerd's latest effort, the gameplay is stunning and fair. For my money it's a little too easy because they have changed the game dynamics and somehow managed to almost take out the silly CPU scripted cheat goals. But for 95% of people using the OF, they have had to DROP DOWN A LEVEL because they find it tough.
FIFA is just one big pretty illusion, designed to fool the weak minded. I can see the cheap programming a mile off I'm afraid, say what you like about PES outdated menus, silly music, and a host of other things, I don't buy a football game to have shiny presentation, I buy the game for gameplay value, and for me PES is in front.
Ive wanted FIFA to produce a game I like again since the very first 2. Which at the time I loved. EA can offer everything, if they just get the game feeling correct on the pitch. So anyone who doesn't go over to FIFA, just through loyalty to PES, is doing themselves a disservice.
I always get both at some point over the year. But FIFA doesn't get nearly as much time as PES. Forgetting everything else, the main issue is, I find FIFA ultimately quite dull. I never really care if i win or lose. Plus for me, the annoyances of FIFA frustrate me more than the ones on PES. (or I can overlook PES's easier as it offers me more pleasure)
I could liken the 2 games to 2 cars that Ive owned in the past.
An Audi TT (the older version) and a nissan 350Z.
If you analysed each individual aspect of the cars, the build quality, interior, ease of use, smoothness, badge, comfort, amount of seats, storage, service centre, cornering ability, speed, running costs, sales figures etc etc to get an over review score. The Audi would win hands down.
But the TT is ultimately boring to drive. You feel removed from the driving experience.
The 350Z however, fell down on most areas, but not where it counts. Driving pleasure. Every time I drove it, it put a smile on my face, in spite of its flaws. So it was, for me, the much better car (RIP).
Also, you can't state sales figures to show that FIFA is better than PES. FIFA has always outsold PES no matter how well rated it was.
I always get both at some point over the year. But FIFA doesn't get nearly as much time as PES. Forgetting everything else, the main issue is, I find FIFA ultimately quite dull. I never really care if i win or lose. Plus for me, the annoyances of FIFA frustrate me more than the ones on PES. (or I can overlook PES's easier as it offers me more pleasure)
I could liken the 2 games to 2 cars that Ive owned in the past.
An Audi TT (the older version) and a nissan 350Z.
If you analysed each individual aspect of the cars, the build quality, interior, ease of use, smoothness, badge, comfort, amount of seats, storage, service centre, cornering ability, speed, running costs, sales figures etc etc to get an over review score. The Audi would win hands down.
But the TT is ultimately boring to drive. You feel removed from the driving experience.
The 350Z however, fell down on most areas, but not where it counts. Driving pleasure. Every time I drove it, it put a smile on my face, in spite of its flaws. So it was, for me, the much better car (RIP).
Also, you can't state sales figures to show that FIFA is better than PES. FIFA has always outsold PES no matter how well rated it was.
N'gog le God
Registered User
PLEASE READ:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/20...lling-pes-25-1
"When you look at Pro Evolution Soccer versus FIFA, only five years ago in the UK PES was outselling FIFA. On its first weekend like-for-like we've just outsold PES by 25 times,"
There is a reason for this. Tells you everything you need to know.
EA have tried their best to improve a crap game over the years.
Konami have tried their best to destroy a great game over the years.
Konami just don't give a sh1t basically, EA do. On FIFA there are constant updates. On PES hey leave out features such as 2vs2 online on the XBOX then make no effort whatsoever to patch it back in.
Btw i am [was] a serious PES FAN BOY, i defended it to the last. I always hated FIFA and i still hate EA but enough is enough.
If are like me and you always hated FIFA i would say give it one more try. It's still feels worse than PES yes, but it is getting much better and has had a lot more care put into it. Konami can go f off.
FIFA 12 on completely manual settings against a human opponent is actually a very interesting and challenging game and i would recommend all PES users give it a try if they get the chance. As in all assistance settings set to manual.
Also 11 vs 11 players online is a great idea only held back by numpties and imbeciles bu that isn't EAs fault.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/20...lling-pes-25-1
"When you look at Pro Evolution Soccer versus FIFA, only five years ago in the UK PES was outselling FIFA. On its first weekend like-for-like we've just outsold PES by 25 times,"
There is a reason for this. Tells you everything you need to know.
EA have tried their best to improve a crap game over the years.
Konami have tried their best to destroy a great game over the years.
Konami just don't give a sh1t basically, EA do. On FIFA there are constant updates. On PES hey leave out features such as 2vs2 online on the XBOX then make no effort whatsoever to patch it back in.
Btw i am [was] a serious PES FAN BOY, i defended it to the last. I always hated FIFA and i still hate EA but enough is enough.
If are like me and you always hated FIFA i would say give it one more try. It's still feels worse than PES yes, but it is getting much better and has had a lot more care put into it. Konami can go f off.
FIFA 12 on completely manual settings against a human opponent is actually a very interesting and challenging game and i would recommend all PES users give it a try if they get the chance. As in all assistance settings set to manual.
Also 11 vs 11 players online is a great idea only held back by numpties and imbeciles bu that isn't EAs fault.
IronCity
Banned
its amazing to me that EA has not been able to make FIFA really good. Never played FIFA but EA's Madden and NHL are fantastic. Why is FIFA so hard for them to get right? Sometime I think Madden is easier because 11 players are patterned to do less - for example, offensive lineman have to block a space, and defenders have to chase a ball. But for FIFA, 11 almost have to work independently and that may be a hard feat to pull of.
fifa 12 encourages freedom and pes stops it. FIFA'S AI might not be the best but atleast it is decent. I want a game with freedom AND player individuality and clearly pes doesn' know the difference between both. They only have 4 bloody dribbling styles which is a disgrace considering it is 2012 and even pes 4 had 4 styles. It's ridiculous - in pes you rely on the sliders and tactics because there is no freedom so you rely on the cpu changing your tactics when you set up the sliders. Sure fifa is less tactical but that is because they think a human should play the match themselves, not with assistance. You can also alter the passing and shooting better - instead of four bars in pes' passing and not even having the ability to change the shooting settings and in FIFA you can alter it from 0 to 100. It might be boring to you ut atleast it offers freedom and doing things more independant eventohugh most fifa noobs put everything assisted and abuse the finesse shots
I don't think you have tried FIFA. Incase you didn't know they have looked inot tacics deeper and introduced tactical defending where defenders are less compact and choose the right time to press and make sure you don't leave holes. I mean look at pes, just introduced zonal marking and zonal defense which is what fifa 11 introduced and their one is better than pes 2012's. And if you've ever played it, you probably play it on the easiest level.
Also how does things like how the field is set out doesn't relate to freedom.
I also agree with you OCKRASS, a lotof people that say FIFA sucks balls or whatever haven't even tried it or gave the damo 10mins on the easiest demo and didn't even change some settings. Also a lot of people complain that the defending is crap and that shows they don't try it out as you can change it to legacy defending. Some people don't even try the demo, they look at youtube vids and judge the game on that.
Furthermore, FIFA you can actually do a goal celebration so you actually control a player unlike pes where they randomly decide whether to do goal celebration 1 or 2, they don't even let you choose. This is yet another example on how FIFA gives you more freedom than PES
Also how does things like how the field is set out doesn't relate to freedom.
I also agree with you OCKRASS, a lotof people that say FIFA sucks balls or whatever haven't even tried it or gave the damo 10mins on the easiest demo and didn't even change some settings. Also a lot of people complain that the defending is crap and that shows they don't try it out as you can change it to legacy defending. Some people don't even try the demo, they look at youtube vids and judge the game on that.
Furthermore, FIFA you can actually do a goal celebration so you actually control a player unlike pes where they randomly decide whether to do goal celebration 1 or 2, they don't even let you choose. This is yet another example on how FIFA gives you more freedom than PES
IronCity
Banned
I didn't requote his techboy's entire message to save space, you can read it above, but it is these posts that I feel save me from wasting $60 on FIFA.
I am teased by its looks, and growing tired of the OF process. Every time I begin to stray this site brings be back in. thanks techboy for bringing me back to reality.
It really makes no sense arguing or trying to explain anything to them.
There is no way anyone who plays both game would come back to say PES is better than Fifa....that would be ridiculous.
As I stated, most who do not like Fifa ...do not play the game. Period.
They come up with stuff like ..."Fifa has no soul" Whatever the fook does that means?
or EA's huge marketing, tricks people into buying the game. Just a bunch of shiity comments.
I played PES for a long period but have realized that Seabass has no idea where to take the game on the next gen console. He has now chosen to copy some of Fifa's features but still has failed miserably.
Fifa has outsold PES 25 to 1. I guess that the 25 represents fools and idiots who knows nothing about football games and the 1 is the really smart ones who really knows how to choose the best game on the market. :laugh:
Without apology.....Fifa kicks PES arse up and down the field any day.
Stick to PES if you want ...but don't pick on Fifa for Konami's poor excuse of a game. Let Fifa enjoy its well earned #1spot on top like PES once did,.............
stick to the robotic, fake players/teams, retarded refs/goalies, slingshot/ping pong passing, absurd shooting, monkey animations, run fast and shoot hard as you can "Soccer" game if you like....
I will stick to Fifa the true "Football" simulation.
PES more realistic...? they can't even juggle the damn ball :w00t
That should be basic ...so how is that realistic football for ya? :no:
Please :blush:
peace
It's a well known researched fact that FIFA players are chav unemployed little mummy's boys, who are 99% more likely to sexually abuse animals, and whose daily diet includes lots of blue smarties and fizzy pop.
Meanwhile, MORI conducted a poll into PES players and found that they had really good sex lives, a gorgeous partner and had a full time job. They also concluded that PES players had a wide spectrum of friends, a car that rocked, were popular in school, were successful in sport and generally just kicked ass in everything they touched.
True, that.
Meanwhile, MORI conducted a poll into PES players and found that they had really good sex lives, a gorgeous partner and had a full time job. They also concluded that PES players had a wide spectrum of friends, a car that rocked, were popular in school, were successful in sport and generally just kicked ass in everything they touched.
True, that.