Psm3 thoughts on pes2010

[Tech_Skill]

dont kno what your problem is kid but deluded is one of them... i never said pes is perfect but it is much better than fifa you just wont wake up and realise it.... eveyone who i have spoken to has agreed with me that fifa is an arcade game i could be here all night saying how i think its sht and people will agree...

*no skill at all required

Moronic comment of the day, no skill required even though the game offers you full manual control, while the PES AI assists you in every part of the game, passing to shooting, you think your good because you press one button and computer sorts out the direction for you, you wouldn't last 2 seconds on an all manual game of fifa where you have to do it for yourself. Here's a 'skillful' pes game in a nutshell, aim and press x, aim again and press x, then run, then press square. Seriously, if you think CPU automated everything is more skillful then semi-manual and manual, you need help. I take eto and run though whole teams in pes, apparently this takes skill... [/QUOTE]

*Players dont look like real life counterparts

Ermm, yes they do, not all though and pes's face are better than fifa's.....whocares, pes gameplay is for noobs.

*CL games played at 12pm in sunlight

Ohhh the travesty of it all, if can you can be arsed you can play them in dusk/night, but you aint played tje game for more than 30 secs so you wouldnt know, not ideal, but who really gives a shit, thats like saying pro evo CL is shit because it has the liscense but half the teams arent even official, North London red anyone?? lol.

*can score 100% from the halkway line

True and disgraceful, changed for fifa 10, the italian fifa champion couldnt do it in 10 attempts, so they reckon its done, see at least EA listen.

*crappy manager mode

But it has real money which it just took PES 10 years to implement and you can switch teams mid season which PES still havent worked out how to put in ML, again, completley revamped for 2010.....unlike pes ML, all you lot got this year is real money, still only 4 fucking leagues, (leagues a,b,c,d lol)

*world class players play for 2nd division teams(unrealistic transfers)
*weather is shitty
*tackling is crap with no need to press anything
*to get a certian goal you can pass it across the shitty goalies and get a certian goal
*no movement in the players with the AI knowing every single move you make
*unrealistic stats, sami hypia is as fast as ronaldo

All corrected in fifa 10, i cant be arsed to keep saying this, but lets put it this way, 70% of your gripes have been indentified and changed, now to pes 2009, tell me what they have done to change this.

Off the top of my head.

1) Running ape animations, where every player runs like Donkey Kong stuck a bannana up their arses.
2) Shooting animations are horrible, you know in PES there are only about 2 ways to hit the ball with the outside of foot, overall there are about 6/7 ways to finish a chance with either foot, lol. Not realistic at all,
3) Ball sounds like there is a sniper trying to JFK the players on the pitch.
4) Slide tackling is absolutley shocking
5) Super players like Ibrahimovic can be tackled 15 times and still keep the ball and balance before scoring.
6) Master League: 4 shitty leagues where you cant even put all the teams in it, a top 6/7 finish gets you in the champions league (hahaha), cant change teams mid season, no transfer or press news, no player interaction, no scouting, you can have 11 players on the bench at any time, players get fatigued after about 2 games, you can play injured players in games (yellow cross injured players)
7) AI: Cheats, scripts, gets cheap goals, moves defenders out of the way of attackers, move strikers away from passes that would put them on goal, PES is the only game where a 5"3 striker can outjump 3 6"0 players and score a header.
8) Keepers: Appalling, they are retarded when it come to holding the ball, any cunt can wack a shot in from angle and watch them fumble the ball time and time again.
9) Crowd chanting- Disgraceful, sounds like house of the dead, completley out of context, sounds like " u are gay"
10) Players dont position themseveles properly, wing backs always get exposed, games are devoid of skill, one fast player can skin entire teams as seen online,
11) For all the edit options in PES they only have about 10 types of boot.
12) Movement is horribly rigid, players are on rails, collision dectection is appalling, a featherweight touch sends big players spawling all over the place.
13) Offsides are gay, CPU allows offside goals, then shows a replay to prove the game doesnt understand what offside is.
14)Player attributes mean fuck all, some guy on here set AI john terry's speed to 0, and he was still catching quick players hahaa.
15) Shot direction is shocking, ball centres all the time, balloons, always deflects back to AI players.
16) All AI teams play the same, even Hull city could play like Barca in pes.
17) Do we even need to talk about online on pes?.......lmao.

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Most human beings with an IQ of +90, including the reviewers, writers and even one of the writers of this website confirmed FIFA 09 was the better game.

Im not marketing for EA, im telling it how it is, and to answer this from RAMAXWY

"8 directional, well that may be true but the freedom you have when playing,passing and dribbling is much more than FIFA has at the moment much more."|

Tell me this mate, PES doesnt offer manual passing, shooting, the CPU intervenes in nearly everything, so how can what you are saying possibly be logical?

Makes no sense, to say a game where nearly everything is CPU automated gives you more freedom than a game which offers you manual control, its insane.

This is the reason why konami keeps arse raping you mugs for 40 quid, for a CPU automated 8 directional game.

Unreal.

 

[RAMAXWY]

dont kno what your problem is kid but deluded is one of them... i never said pes is perfect but it is much better than fifa you just wont wake up and realise it.... eveyone who i have spoken to has agreed with me that fifa is an arcade game i could be here all night saying how i think its sht and people will agree...

*no skill at all required
*Players dont look like real life counterparts
*CL games played at 12pm in sunlight
*can score 100% from the halkway line
*crappy manager mode
*world class players play for 2nd division teams(unrealistic transfers)
*weather is shitty
*tackling is crap with no need to press anything
*to get a certian goal you can pass it across the shitty goalies and get a certian goal
*no movement in the players with the AI knowing every single move you make
*unrealistic stats, sami hypia is as fast as ronaldo
*no customization to make it better
*be a pro is crap with only 4 seasons and your the best ever made in those 4 short years
*online is shocking with everyone just chosing 5* rated teams..

there only a few to boot but i kno the game is filled with flaws thus making it an arcade game....

and as for your silly idea of staying at one club have your not tried BAL for someone with no loyalty such as your self would love to move year in year out.

NO SKILLS REQUIRED to play FIFA , THAT WAS A KNOCK OUT.
and i agree that's why most teams and players feel the same and even the goals get boring.
BUT if you just don't have the time to invest in learning a game which requires skill and knowledge of the sport i can totally understand you going for FIFA 09 and that's your right don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
but if you can spare some time , truly love the sport and understand why a goal means so much in football than sit down and play PES09.
because if not you are missing out on a great game.

 

[Tech_Skill]

NO SKILLS REQUIRED to play FIFA , THAT WAS A KNOCK OUT.
and i agree that's why most teams and players feel the same and even the goals get boring.
BUT if you just don't have the time to invest in learning a game which requires skill and knowledge of the sport i can totally understand you going for FIFA 09 and that's your right don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
but if you can spare some time , truly love the sport and understand why a goal means so much in football than sit down and play PES09.
because if not you are missing out on a great game.

Mate you just said one of themost moronic things ever of all time above.

Apparently CPU automated controls give you more freedom than manual controls............l-o-l.

See above for the response

And where are the REAL pes players like amatuer? enough of these noobs.

 

[shankly is god]

how many people say fifa = no skill unless you actaully think tap in goals and fake stats oh plus the fact it unrealistic is skillful then im afraid you belong in some sort of retarded school..
pes 2009 was shocking but blows fifa out of the water in terms of realisim. just wake up kid smell the coffee

me a noob ha ha your a real geek kid i been on here since 2005 commenting on the game i like pes not fifa..
your a knob kid go out in the real world..

 

[Kevthedrummer]

Steve from Konami responds:

Can I add my thoughts?

For me, the PSM3 piece came across as balanced and realistic. They have felt let down by the last two iterations - as have many on here - so to me it came across as a wary, but optimistic article. I certainly do not regard it as a negative story.

The intro highlights how the new AI closes down attacks, howthe graphics are shown to be extensively reworked and not just limited to a handful of players. But any other enthusiasm has to be tempered by the earliness of the code. You can't expect a 50% complete game to have a lot in it. To add Master League means that other elements have to be present for it to work and to combine. Likewise, Legend needs other elements to work, which are not in the current build.

No, that code was to show that PES 2010 is a more realistic football game: to look at and to play. Stuff like animation does go in last, as it is decorative. Right now, the AI that makes all the players act uniquely is being worked on and implemented. This is then tied into the many secondary AI elements that also contribute to the unique way, say, Messi moves off the ball, or Gerrard holds up play.

Imagine the 50% build of PES 2010 as a foundation. From this solid base, we can then add new tiers and, of course, decorate them all to a high standard. We are much further along the development schedule than normally at this time, thanks to the reorganisation and expansion of the development team, and there is still much to cram in.

But know this: the team know they have to deliver, and are commited to doing so. So far, they wanted to show off the graphics, more realistic game pace, and a sliding bar tactic system that actually affects play. They have done all three. Now we move on to the next level...

All the best,
Steve

 

[RAMAXWY]

Mate you just said one of themost moronic things ever of all time above.

Apparently CPU automated controls give you more freedom than manual controls............l-o-l.

See above for the response

And where are the REAL pes players like amatuer? enough of these noobs.

hey EINSTEIN act like you are intelligent enough to have an argument with because mostly when people start insulting it's when they just can't keep up the pace.
the basics are wrong in FIFA and if you don't get that i just can't help you.
the stats of the players and teams are there to see for us all but don't mean shit in the game.
the reason why they are looking for feedback and are implementing everything they can is because they just don't know football as KONAMI does but just want to sell so adjusting the game in the way that anyone can play it the way they like it.
don't get me wrong because in theory it sounds fantastic but it isn't.
EA from their side have already tried everything they could and have run out of ideas so now they just give you the option to thinker with the game till you personally like it but strangely enough it still t sucks.
i want to feel the difference in player and team abilities when i'm in control of a player or a certain team but FIFA just doesn't have that.
i wan't to feel excited when i score a goal because i earned it or when i defended a 1-0 win with a HULL against a MANU.
the passes are automatic you say, well my friend it's a game, get used to it and even though you think you are passing manually in FIFA you aren't it's just a tweak that you like and someone else doesn't.
just like a few people liked the manual pass option that PES had and others didn't.
don't buy in all the hype that people sell you man most of it is true when u believe it.
FIFA09 BIGGER THAN PES09 THAT'S A HYPE WHICH A LOT OF PEOPLE BOUGHT INTO.
the truth is it is no were near.
EA have a lot of money and market their game well so it's really hard to make an individual stand and say you don't like their game in fear that you will be laughed at and will be left behind.
but for myself i have no loyalty towards KONAMI so when it get's to the point where FIFA really wins i will tell you that i agree but for now
please PES is better.

 

[shankly is god]

RAMAX mate there no point he is deluded.... just concentrate on pes init and let him rant on about how awesome fifa is ha ha

 

[RAMAXWY]

RAMAX mate there no point he is deluded.... just concentrate on pes init and let him rant on about how awesome fifa is ha ha

yeah i guess your right but it's too bad though because he's just buying into the hype the game ain't that great.:no:

 

[Tech_Skill]

hey EINSTEIN act like you are intelligent enough to have an argument with because mostly when people start insulting it's when they just can't keep up the pace.
the basics are wrong in FIFA and if you don't get that i just can't help you.
the stats of the players and teams are there to see for us all but don't mean shit in the game.
the reason why they are looking for feedback and are implementing everything they can is because they just don't know football as KONAMI does but just want to sell so adjusting the game in the way that anyone can play it the way they like it.
don't get me wrong because in theory it sounds fantastic but it isn't.
EA from their side have already tried everything they could and have run out of ideas so now they just give you the option to thinker with the game till you personally like it but strangely enough it still t sucks.
i want to feel the difference in player and team abilities when i'm in control of a player or a certain team but FIFA just doesn't have that.
i wan't to feel excited when i score a goal because i earned it or when i defended a 1-0 win with a HULL against a MANU.
the passes are automatic you say, well my friend it's a game, get used to it and even though you think you are passing manually in FIFA you aren't it's just a tweak that you like and someone else doesn't.
just like a few people liked the manual pass option that PES had and others didn't.
don't buy in all the hype that people sell you man most of it is true when u believe it.
FIFA09 BIGGER THAN PES09 THAT'S A HYPE WHICH A LOT OF PEOPLE BOUGHT INTO.
the truth is it is no were near.
EA have a lot of money and market their game well so it's really hard to make an individual stand and say you don't like their game in fear that you will be laughed at and will be left behind.
but for myself i have no loyalty towards KONAMI so when it get's to the point where FIFA really wins i will tell you that i agree but for now
please PES is better.

More fucking crying from someone who obviously cant answer the question he was asked

Once again

this one goes out to your boyfriend too (Shankly is god) who is so far up seabass's arse, im not sure colonic irrigation could remove him.

Which game gives you more control......

The one with CPU automated passing and shooting and through ball, and tackling and penalties?

Or the game which offers you manual control over almost all aspects of gameplay?

Simple question for those who have a fully functioning nervous system.

How can it take more skill, to let the computer take Pk's for you, weight passes for you, take control of shots for you, through balls for you, tackle for you.....

As opposed to weighing your own passes, having full control over shot placement and penalties and having full manual control of gameplay which allows you to make your own mistakes rather than the computer making mistakes for you.

??????????????????????

You two are a joke, plastic pes fans who probably started playing at pes 4 or summin, if you cant understand the massive contradictions you are making you are beyond help. Because sane people dont agree with you, one of the writers of this forum doesnt agree with you, the reviewers dont agree with you, the sales dont agree with you, and if you look at how stupid your argument is, you dont even agree with you.

Congrats on this quote though on why EA seek feedback, stupidity like this should be celebrated

"the reason why they are looking for feedback and are implementing everything they can is because they just don't know football as KONAMI does but just want to sell so adjusting the game in the way that anyone can play it the way they like it."

Absolutley shocking, they dont know football like konami, but they got a 360 degree game and konami have 8 directions.........do me a favor, log off yeah, your hopeless.

Now, are there any real PES fans out there that wanna talk, these noobs you are feeding me arent up to scratch...


Im happy to talk about Konami new system where players flood the box when a good crosser gets the ball, because thats one of the few ideas i like.

 

[willmo]

this thread is epic!!!

Glad to see Steve M defending the article/game, for me it all looks very promising but there is no way i'm gonna buy pes on release day. gonna wait for feedback from the forums, i'm not getting stung for another £40 for a pile of shit.

 

[Tech_Skill]

this thread is epic!!!

Glad to see Steve M defending the article/game, for me it all looks very promising but there is no way i'm gonna buy pes on release day. gonna wait for feedback from the forums, i'm not getting stung for another £40 for a pile of shit.

Its all a bit of banter, the forum needs traffic, and what better way than exposing jokers pretending to know about football games. If any serious fans wanna get back on topic, fine by me.

If people disagree, thats fine, they wanna flame, thats fine,

But dont fucking tell me a game with CPU automated controls gives you more freedom then manual controls, seriously, im not against disabled people posting on pesgaming, but thats a step too far.

 

[RAMAXWY]

no one has to agree with me my friend and that's the biggest difference between me and you. i have my own functioning mind and own opinion so i don't just go with the flow.
you on the other hand obviously need all those people and things u summed up to make up your mind about what game is better in representing football.
i just have to play them for myself and give you my opinion.
as someone else already said it's probably down to preference and i ad to that it's all down to what u really want to feel.
i want to feel like i'm playing the real thing, i want to play football and FIFA just doesn't give me that feeling if it does for you than you don't need much or just don't know the sport as i do that's why you like playing a game that doesn't resemble the sport at all.
and can u please stop with the noob thing because you registered in 2008 the chance that you've been playing WE before me are very slim and it doesn't matter when you started to play because everyone who has knowledge of this sport will tell you that they feel an instant connection with the PES series when they play it especially when they compare it to FIFA.
but obviously that's another thing u need so you can prove ur opinion counts for much more, grow up.
let's not forget it's a game not a practice or a job so please.
veteran's that's how they call themselves ha ha ha.

 

[Trevi]

People please do try to stay in the topic of the post; no further insults will be tolerated.

 

[RAMAXWY]

PES gives you much more control when playing the game.
just setting things to manual doesn't mean the same thing you just think it does.

 

[Tech_Skill]

no one has to agree with me my friend and that's the biggest difference between me and you. i have my own functioning mind and own opinion so i don't just go with the flow.
you on the other hand obviously need all those people and things u summed up to make up your mind about what game is better in representing football.
i just have to play them for myself and give you my opinion.
as someone else already said it's probably down to preference and i ad to that it's all down to what u really want to feel.
i want to feel like i'm playing the real thing, i want to play football and FIFA just doesn't give me that feeling if it does for you than you don't need much or just don't know the sport as i do that's why you like playing a game that doesn't resemble the sport at all.
and can u please stop with the noob thing because you registered in 2008 the chance that you've been playing WE before me are very slim and it doesn't matter when you started to play because everyone who has knowledge of this sport will tell you that they feel an instant connection with the PES series when they play it especially when they compare it to FIFA.
but obviously that's another thing u need so you can prove ur opinion counts for much more, grow up.
let's not forget it's a game not a practice or a job so please.
veteran's that's how they call themselves ha ha ha.

*Yawn*

heres the question for a 3rd time.

Which game gives you more control......

The one with CPU automated passing and shooting and through ball, and tackling and penalties?

Or the game which offers you manual control over almost all aspects of gameplay?

How can it take more skill, to let the computer take Pk's for you, weight passes for you, take control of shots for you, through balls for you, tackle for you.....

As opposed to weighing your own passes, having full control over shot placement and penalties and having full manual control of gameplay which allows you to make your own mistakes rather than the computer making mistakes for you.

??????????????????????

Do me a favor, answer that or log off.

Ps, my join date on this forum means nothing mate, I was reading before I joined, and was playing ISS years before that.

 

[RAMAXWY]

biggest problem the FIFA game have is their response in the game and if it doesn't response as quick as you need it to how can it be a better game even if everything else was perfect which by the way it isn't.

 

[RAMAXWY]

hope that answers your question or are you gonna argue that response has nothing to do with controlling the game.
please don't do that , don't give me the feeling i was talking to a kid the whole time.

 

[Pantilimon]

I think we should concentrate more about how the game feels.I mean we're not coaches to say AI should do that or he should do the other.You just build your own tactic and try to beat the AI(which will be very hard to beat from what I've heard about PES 2010).Sorry for repeating,but the main concern about this game is that players runs like they are not footballers,I mean they are like some Ice Hockey players with football equipment.And i guess noone can argue with me,because it's not too hard to understand this if you have seen or played a real life match.
I didin't buy PES 2009 not because of licenses,or unrealistic Master League,but because of unrealistic gameplay.

 

[Lugash]

this thread is epic!!!

Glad to see Steve M defending the article/game, for me it all looks very promising but there is no way i'm gonna buy pes on release day. gonna wait for feedback from the forums, i'm not getting stung for another £40 for a pile of shit.

I shall be doing exactly the same. I sick of cunts on this website feeling they have to pin their colours to the EA or KONAMI mast. I was a total die hard PES man until 08, and then this year I've realised FIFA have made the better game, in my eyes. But I'll give both a chance come September/October, and I suggest others do the same.

 

[proevofan88]

Tech Skill...

I would really like to know what your point is? You come here and bash this game so bad ( and many points I agree with you ) but you just seriously make PES2009 out to be the WORST football game ever. Its a GOOD game just not up to the standards we expect, so chill out man.