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Really losing patience with this game.

alkemy007

Registered User
I think I have finally come to the end of the road with PES. I have bought the game religously since the days of ISS. Ill get straight to the point. The last few offerings by Konami have been below par, I think most would agree, but after playing 2010 since release I have come to the conclusion that it is shite, plain and simple. I have no time for little idiots who will reply with the pathetic "go and play FIFA" whinings. For the record, I also think FIFA sucks. My reasons for this....hell, how long you got?.

1: Still too easy. I have not lost a Master League (On Top Player) game in two seasons now (first season I lost 6)...I heard about unlocking another difficulty level but in my experience, when you do this, it seems to make it easier, you just pass around the crazy pressing players.

2: Some annoying things--when the ball is in front of you and you are running on to it, you press the shoot button and hope to connect with a rocket shot and your player does that stupid slide on the floor thing and the ball bounces harmlessy into the keepers hands.

3: While Im on keepers....absolutely abysmal would be my assessment of keepers on this game. How many times do they spill the ball into the path of an opposing player?...even when the opposition hoof it up field and it is bouncing harmlessly towards the goalis hands he does some aerial jump and catches the ball!...there are too many faults with the keeper.

4: Long shots!...how many top corner rockets am I gonna score?..the defenders back off you until the last second possible, when you get used of this you can pretty much time it right to smash a long ranger that is accurate as hell 90% of the time.

5: I am playing as Spurs in my Master League, I have bought some great players to go along with the ones already at Spurs (Lennon, Modric etc) but even when I am playing Hull City they seem like Brazil in disguise!...they one touch pass around there defence (even in their own penalty area)...sometimes you dont touch the ball for a couple of minutes or so...this, even when they are 2-0 down FFS!....Its pathetic. It makes the game frustrating to play. Its not because theykeep the ball the reason Im unhappy, because like I said, Im winning these games easily, its just that it is too dumb to describe, that Hull (or any other sub par team for that matter) can play free-flowing football where they dont lose the ball, its real silly.

6: Animations for headers still suck (small gripe but what the hell)

7: Fouls...now this is the most frustrating of the lot!...I have not had ONE penalty in 3 seasons of Master League...I can get hacked down from behind and they dont even touch the ball and I get no penalty...not just penaltys though, free kicks in general...Im sure most people have noticed this...its so frustrating.

8: Penaltys!...If you are struck by luck and actually get a pen you have to put up with the abomination that is the new penalty taking system on the game...YES, i know how to do them but the point is, they suck, plain and simple. The view is terrible also. Why not just have it like the old pro, or better still, like FIFA's pen system, thats at least one good thing on that game, along with the commentary.

9: Commentary...so embarressing that I now put it on mute...seriously, its becoming a joke.

10: I am running down the wing with Lennon...he has 91-94 for top speed and acceleration respectively...he is being chased by a Portsmouth player called Griffin, who has 70-70 as his attributes...he is at least 5 yards behind Lennon but catches up!..GTFOH

11: There is no diversity in the goals no more...the majority of goals are either long shots or from crosses into the box from the wing...gone are the days of slick passing movements, finished off with a killer through ball to a striker who rolls it calmly past the keeper.

12: Through Balls...they suck to high heaven on this game, that goes for floating ones too.

There are also so many little faults with this game that I couldnt fit it into this post...I am a football fanatic so I need my footy game fix but it is really starting to p*** me off.
 

MatTheCat

Registered User
I think I have finally come to the end of the road with PES. I have bought the game religously since the days of ISS. Ill get straight to the point. The last few offerings by Konami have been below par, I think most would agree, but after playing 2010 since release I have come to the conclusion that it is shite, plain and simple. I have no time for little idiots who will reply with the pathetic "go and play FIFA" whinings. For the record, I also think FIFA sucks. My reasons for this....hell, how long you got?.

1: Still too easy. I have not lost a Master League (On Top Player) game in two seasons now (first season I lost 6)...I heard about unlocking another difficulty level but in my experience, when you do this, it seems to make it easier, you just pass around the crazy pressing players.

2: Some annoying things--when the ball is in front of you and you are running on to it, you press the shoot button and hope to connect with a rocket shot and your player does that stupid slide on the floor thing and the ball bounces harmlessy into the keepers hands.

3: While Im on keepers....absolutely abysmal would be my assessment of keepers on this game. How many times do they spill the ball into the path of an opposing player?...even when the opposition hoof it up field and it is bouncing harmlessly towards the goalis hands he does some aerial jump and catches the ball!...there are too many faults with the keeper.

4: Long shots!...how many top corner rockets am I gonna score?..the defenders back off you until the last second possible, when you get used of this you can pretty much time it right to smash a long ranger that is accurate as hell 90% of the time.

5: I am playing as Spurs in my Master League, I have bought some great players to go along with the ones already at Spurs (Lennon, Modric etc) but even when I am playing Hull City they seem like Brazil in disguise!...they one touch pass around there defence (even in their own penalty area)...sometimes you dont touch the ball for a couple of minutes or so...this, even when they are 2-0 down FFS!....Its pathetic. It makes the game frustrating to play. Its not because theykeep the ball the reason Im unhappy, because like I said, Im winning these games easily, its just that it is too dumb to describe, that Hull (or any other sub par team for that matter) can play free-flowing football where they dont lose the ball, its real silly.

6: Animations for headers still suck (small gripe but what the hell)

7: Fouls...now this is the most frustrating of the lot!...I have not had ONE penalty in 3 seasons of Master League...I can get hacked down from behind and they dont even touch the ball and I get no penalty...not just penaltys though, free kicks in general...Im sure most people have noticed this...its so frustrating.

8: Penaltys!...If you are struck by luck and actually get a pen you have to put up with the abomination that is the new penalty taking system on the game...YES, i know how to do them but the point is, they suck, plain and simple. The view is terrible also. Why not just have it like the old pro, or better still, like FIFA's pen system, thats at least one good thing on that game, along with the commentary.

9: Commentary...so embarressing that I now put it on mute...seriously, its becoming a joke.

10: I am running down the wing with Lennon...he has 91-94 for top speed and acceleration respectively...he is being chased by a Portsmouth player called Griffin, who has 70-70 as his attributes...he is at least 5 yards behind Lennon but catches up!..GTFOH

11: There is no diversity in the goals no more...the majority of goals are either long shots or from crosses into the box from the wing...gone are the days of slick passing movements, finished off with a killer through ball to a striker who rolls it calmly past the keeper.

12: Through Balls...they suck to high heaven on this game, that goes for floating ones too.

There are also so many little faults with this game that I couldnt fit it into this post...I am a football fanatic so I need my footy game fix but it is really starting to p*** me off.

Go n play FIFA.
 

DIECI

Registered User
Im enjoying PES2010, but to be honest I just play friends or online, I don't play the AI... I tried a few times and got bored and turned it off. But to be fair I get bored playing the computer on all other sports games. Ever since the online era I haven't been able to enjoy games off line! Maybe you've outgrown PES, maybe its time to move on to something else? Whatever it is, good luck and the most important thing is to enjoy yourself! ;-)
 

ariknovak

Registered User
alkemy007, I agree with most of what you say (it'll make me feel bad if i say that i agree with everything said here...), but still, can't stop playing!
The things you wrote here, are things that i don't think to be so complicated to get fixed. If Konami can do these adjustments to the game, it'll be stop-less.
 

clm7

Registered User
i agree with everything you've said there, exept the pens, there probably the most decent thing konami have added to the game, apart from the camera angle, at least your in control here, but the keepers during pens are absolutly atrotious.

there is so much more wrong with the game though cant be bothered typing it all out.

read what matt the cat say's he has it down to a tee.
 

proevofan88

Registered User
I agree with most your points except the one with lennon and griffin.I feel that with Lennon I'm almost unstoppable.

This game is only fun with friends for now....When you play the computer it's become very boring. There are so many faults with this game.

It is 2010...and a couple of soccer games on the ps2, if not 3 ( PES4,5 and 6 ) are still better than this.

I get the feeling that a lot of us didnt realize what we had at those times.... truly those 3 PES's that I named were ahead of their time.

The best thing that has happened to PES post-ps2 era is that their sales have declined. That is the only thing that can turn this around.
 

skickahit10

Registered User
I couldn't agree more with you.

I'm developing heart problem because of this game and I will eventually set my apartment on fire if I get ripped off on one more goal by the f***ing CPU. :realmad:

It could have been such a wonderful game....why Konami? Why??

Conclusion:
FIFA 10 (on PC) - totally sucks.
PES 10 - so frustrating it sucks.

What's left??
Nothing!

I think I have finally come to the end of the road with PES. I have bought the game religously since the days of ISS. Ill get straight to the point. The last few offerings by Konami have been below par, I think most would agree, but after playing 2010 since release I have come to the conclusion that it is shite, plain and simple. I have no time for little idiots who will reply with the pathetic "go and play FIFA" whinings. For the record, I also think FIFA sucks. My reasons for this....hell, how long you got?.

1: Still too easy. I have not lost a Master League (On Top Player) game in two seasons now (first season I lost 6)...I heard about unlocking another difficulty level but in my experience, when you do this, it seems to make it easier, you just pass around the crazy pressing players.

2: Some annoying things--when the ball is in front of you and you are running on to it, you press the shoot button and hope to connect with a rocket shot and your player does that stupid slide on the floor thing and the ball bounces harmlessy into the keepers hands.

3: While Im on keepers....absolutely abysmal would be my assessment of keepers on this game. How many times do they spill the ball into the path of an opposing player?...even when the opposition hoof it up field and it is bouncing harmlessly towards the goalis hands he does some aerial jump and catches the ball!...there are too many faults with the keeper.

4: Long shots!...how many top corner rockets am I gonna score?..the defenders back off you until the last second possible, when you get used of this you can pretty much time it right to smash a long ranger that is accurate as hell 90% of the time.

5: I am playing as Spurs in my Master League, I have bought some great players to go along with the ones already at Spurs (Lennon, Modric etc) but even when I am playing Hull City they seem like Brazil in disguise!...they one touch pass around there defence (even in their own penalty area)...sometimes you dont touch the ball for a couple of minutes or so...this, even when they are 2-0 down FFS!....Its pathetic. It makes the game frustrating to play. Its not because theykeep the ball the reason Im unhappy, because like I said, Im winning these games easily, its just that it is too dumb to describe, that Hull (or any other sub par team for that matter) can play free-flowing football where they dont lose the ball, its real silly.

6: Animations for headers still suck (small gripe but what the hell)

7: Fouls...now this is the most frustrating of the lot!...I have not had ONE penalty in 3 seasons of Master League...I can get hacked down from behind and they dont even touch the ball and I get no penalty...not just penaltys though, free kicks in general...Im sure most people have noticed this...its so frustrating.

8: Penaltys!...If you are struck by luck and actually get a pen you have to put up with the abomination that is the new penalty taking system on the game...YES, i know how to do them but the point is, they suck, plain and simple. The view is terrible also. Why not just have it like the old pro, or better still, like FIFA's pen system, thats at least one good thing on that game, along with the commentary.

9: Commentary...so embarressing that I now put it on mute...seriously, its becoming a joke.

10: I am running down the wing with Lennon...he has 91-94 for top speed and acceleration respectively...he is being chased by a Portsmouth player called Griffin, who has 70-70 as his attributes...he is at least 5 yards behind Lennon but catches up!..GTFOH

11: There is no diversity in the goals no more...the majority of goals are either long shots or from crosses into the box from the wing...gone are the days of slick passing movements, finished off with a killer through ball to a striker who rolls it calmly past the keeper.

12: Through Balls...they suck to high heaven on this game, that goes for floating ones too.

There are also so many little faults with this game that I couldnt fit it into this post...I am a football fanatic so I need my footy game fix but it is really starting to p*** me off.
 

The Eristic

Registered User
1: I don't think it's too easy, but I agree that the extreme AI pressure is dumb and lacks realism.

2: Yeah, some response/timing issues. You wouldn't believe how many easy goals I've missed (especially from corners) because the ball will fall to my player, but he just won't shoot, even if I've charged the shot before the ball even got to him. It seems first-time shots are almost impossible unless conditions are just perfect (though I couldn't tell what they are!).

3: Keepers are way better than they used to be. Still, some dumb OGs due to them and idiotic defenders.

4: Not having this problem. I've only scored a few from outside the box so far. Most long rangers go just over.

5: Yeah, this is fairly ridiculous. No matter how good your team is, and how bad the opponent, you're quite often stuck playing the counter-attacking game for way too long. In fact, it almost seems like the worse the opposition, the harder they are to dispossess and break down. I can beat Real Madrid, United, etc, all day long 3-0, but barely manage 0-0 time and again against the teams in the relegation zone.

6: No complaints about headers.

7: Everybody knows the ref is dire in this one. Has it all backwards. The better the tackle, the more likely it'll be called a foul.

8: Actually saw two PKs in BAL yesterday. AI took both, AI missed both by a mile.

9: I'm sick of Champion and Lawrenson, too. I change the commentary language to that of the league/teams I'm using. Fewer languages available than previously, which sucks. Maybe that has to do with the version, though.

10: Speed is screwed up, as well as size and strength. Tiny players can shove much larger, stronger players around with ease when the AI decides it wants the ball.

11: All depends on how you play. I've found a lot of variety, but have had to force it. AI by default tries the same thing every time.

12: No problem with them on the deck, but the chipped through balls are wildly inconsistent and never work the same way twice, especially when it's your only option. Ruined many an outstanding counter attack for me.
 

clm7

Registered User
also whats the deal with walls? i take it its impossible to take away players from a default wall? but you can add!, why? i dont want a 3man wall 50 yards from goal.

throw ins, i might be missing something but can you move the player receiving the ball?

i've tried going for compititions online but there only 5min matches, is there 10 minute matches tournaments anywhere?
 

bunnywhi7e

Registered User
I agree with DIECI. I can't see myself playing PES or FIFA in offline mode. I just get too bored quickly and knowing I'm playing a computer is just not fun. I only play PES 10 online but even that has got me really bored. Quick ranking match online and I get idiots with Barca and Real running down with Messi or Ronaldo doing cutbacks and its a goal. Thats what got me bored of PES10 and believe it or not I started playing FIFA 10 AGAIN for the hell of it and its scary to say this but I'm having more fun with FIFA 10 online than with PES 10. Doesn't mean FIFA 10 is better than PES 10, but ONLINE its way better. Also FIFA 10 online I've been playing some great players who use Spurs, West Ham, Benfica and other "lower" teams and its a great experience.
 

LUCAPLAYER

Registered User
I think I have finally come to the end of the road with PES. I have bought the game religously since the days of ISS. Ill get straight to the point. The last few offerings by Konami have been below par, I think most would agree, but after playing 2010 since release I have come to the conclusion that it is shite, plain and simple. I have no time for little idiots who will reply with the pathetic "go and play FIFA" whinings. For the record, I also think FIFA sucks. My reasons for this....hell, how long you got?.

1: Still too easy. I have not lost a Master League (On Top Player) game in two seasons now (first season I lost 6)...I heard about unlocking another difficulty level but in my experience, when you do this, it seems to make it easier, you just pass around the crazy pressing players.

2: Some annoying things--when the ball is in front of you and you are running on to it, you press the shoot button and hope to connect with a rocket shot and your player does that stupid slide on the floor thing and the ball bounces harmlessy into the keepers hands.

3: While Im on keepers....absolutely abysmal would be my assessment of keepers on this game. How many times do they spill the ball into the path of an opposing player?...even when the opposition hoof it up field and it is bouncing harmlessly towards the goalis hands he does some aerial jump and catches the ball!...there are too many faults with the keeper.

4: Long shots!...how many top corner rockets am I gonna score?..the defenders back off you until the last second possible, when you get used of this you can pretty much time it right to smash a long ranger that is accurate as hell 90% of the time.

5: I am playing as Spurs in my Master League, I have bought some great players to go along with the ones already at Spurs (Lennon, Modric etc) but even when I am playing Hull City they seem like Brazil in disguise!...they one touch pass around there defence (even in their own penalty area)...sometimes you dont touch the ball for a couple of minutes or so...this, even when they are 2-0 down FFS!....Its pathetic. It makes the game frustrating to play. Its not because theykeep the ball the reason Im unhappy, because like I said, Im winning these games easily, its just that it is too dumb to describe, that Hull (or any other sub par team for that matter) can play free-flowing football where they dont lose the ball, its real silly.

6: Animations for headers still suck (small gripe but what the hell)

7: Fouls...now this is the most frustrating of the lot!...I have not had ONE penalty in 3 seasons of Master League...I can get hacked down from behind and they dont even touch the ball and I get no penalty...not just penaltys though, free kicks in general...Im sure most people have noticed this...its so frustrating.

8: Penaltys!...If you are struck by luck and actually get a pen you have to put up with the abomination that is the new penalty taking system on the game...YES, i know how to do them but the point is, they suck, plain and simple. The view is terrible also. Why not just have it like the old pro, or better still, like FIFA's pen system, thats at least one good thing on that game, along with the commentary.

9: Commentary...so embarressing that I now put it on mute...seriously, its becoming a joke.

10: I am running down the wing with Lennon...he has 91-94 for top speed and acceleration respectively...he is being chased by a Portsmouth player called Griffin, who has 70-70 as his attributes...he is at least 5 yards behind Lennon but catches up!..GTFOH

11: There is no diversity in the goals no more...the majority of goals are either long shots or from crosses into the box from the wing...gone are the days of slick passing movements, finished off with a killer through ball to a striker who rolls it calmly past the keeper.

12: Through Balls...they suck to high heaven on this game, that goes for floating ones too.

There are also so many little faults with this game that I couldnt fit it into this post...I am a football fanatic so I need my footy game fix but it is really starting to p*** me off.


Play 30 games on line and then tell how many match you'll win...
 

blazer89

Registered User
1: Still too easy. I have not lost a Master League (On Top Player) game in two seasons now (first season I lost 6)...I heard about unlocking another difficulty level but in my experience, when you do this, it seems to make it easier, you just pass around the crazy pressing players.

Try professional. Some say it's harder than Top Player. I have yet to try Top Player, so I can't say if it's true or not.

2: Some annoying things--when the ball is in front of you and you are running on to it, you press the shoot button and hope to connect with a rocket shot and your player does that stupid slide on the floor thing and the ball bounces harmlessy into the keepers hands.

Come on. You should know that timing is everything. You're pressing shoot too early.

3: While Im on keepers....absolutely abysmal would be my assessment of keepers on this game. How many times do they spill the ball into the path of an opposing player?...even when the opposition hoof it up field and it is bouncing harmlessly towards the goalis hands he does some aerial jump and catches the ball!...there are too many faults with the keeper.

Keepers aren't that bad. Though yeah that jump animation is overused.

4: Long shots!...how many top corner rockets am I gonna score?..the defenders back off you until the last second possible, when you get used of this you can pretty much time it right to smash a long ranger that is accurate as hell 90% of the time.

Try boosting "Pressing" and "Defensive Line" for every team. The backline will still back off but not as much.

5: I am playing as Spurs in my Master League, I have bought some great players to go along with the ones already at Spurs (Lennon, Modric etc) but even when I am playing Hull City they seem like Brazil in disguise!...they one touch pass around there defence (even in their own penalty area)...sometimes you dont touch the ball for a couple of minutes or so...this, even when they are 2-0 down FFS!....Its pathetic. It makes the game frustrating to play. Its not because theykeep the ball the reason Im unhappy, because like I said, Im winning these games easily, its just that it is too dumb to describe, that Hull (or any other sub par team for that matter) can play free-flowing football where they dont lose the ball, its real silly.

Boost "Player Support" for each team. This will encourage the computer to push the ball forward more.

6: Animations for headers still suck (small gripe but what the hell)

Substance over style. The animations of PES were never a strong point.

7: Fouls...now this is the most frustrating of the lot!...I have not had ONE penalty in 3 seasons of Master League...I can get hacked down from behind and they dont even touch the ball and I get no penalty...not just penaltys though, free kicks in general...Im sure most people have noticed this...its so frustrating.

I've put in over 50 hours so far and have yet to see a penalty kick given. Fouls are bad this year.

8: Penaltys!...If you are struck by luck and actually get a pen you have to put up with the abomination that is the new penalty taking system on the game...YES, i know how to do them but the point is, they suck, plain and simple. The view is terrible also. Why not just have it like the old pro, or better still, like FIFA's pen system, thats at least one good thing on that game, along with the commentary.

Meh.

9: Commentary...so embarressing that I now put it on mute...seriously, its becoming a joke.

Try a different language?

10: I am running down the wing with Lennon...he has 91-94 for top speed and acceleration respectively...he is being chased by a Portsmouth player called Griffin, who has 70-70 as his attributes...he is at least 5 yards behind Lennon but catches up!..GTFOH

With Lennon? Maybe that's a Top Player "AI cheat" going on there.

11: There is no diversity in the goals no more...the majority of goals are either long shots or from crosses into the box from the wing...gone are the days of slick passing movements, finished off with a killer through ball to a striker who rolls it calmly past the keeper.

Lower "Offensive Style" for every team. This will space out your attack more and give you more room for through balls.

12: Through Balls...they suck to high heaven on this game, that goes for floating ones too.

They can be quirky at times, and need some fixing, but you can learn to avoid the quirkiness for the most part.

There are also so many little faults with this game that I couldnt fit it into this post...I am a football fanatic so I need my footy game fix but it is really starting to p*** me off.

Most of the stuff can be worked around. Just realize it's videogame football and not football, and also realize Konami set the bar high and haven't lived up to it recently. They are getting there though.
 

skickahit10

Registered User
Most of the stuff can be worked around. Just realize it's videogame football and not football, and also realize Konami set the bar high and haven't lived up to it recently. They are getting there though.

When you pay some good money for a game you should not have to resort to "work-arounds" in order to get a pleasant experience. :no:
 

blazer89

Registered User
When you pay some good money for a game you should not have to resort to "work-arounds" in order to get a pleasant experience. :no:

Pretty much all sports video games need some sort of adjustments, and even then they aren't perfect. PES has been the one series that usually gets most things right, and they seem to be building back up to that. It's certainly better than most sports games on the market at the moment.
 
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