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Scripted games (and their frequency in Master League)

stajin

Registered User
I truly believe they could make this the best footy game out there if only they would listen - when it all goes correctly, as in the game actually doing what you're telling it, not necessarily the score line of the game, it's an amazing game, but when you're playing amazing yet every single shot of yours is saved no matter how impossible yet they score from the most basic of shots, you can't help but feel that you're an observer not a player.

If someone from KONAMI is actually reading this, which I somehow doubt, get that in your heads. We don't want to play and think we're just along for the ride, that the decision of who can score or who can defend is pre chosen. We want to be the player not the spectator and you have, at every step, made it so sometimes it just doesn't matter what we do. We may as well just get up and put down the control as you have just removed any interactivity from the game.

e.g.

Free kicks - it doesn't matter what I do, where I position myself, if that ball is goal bound and my keeper can't save it, that guy that I've ran back to mark the post will NEVER jump for it. Never. You decide if the opposition will score and I have absolutely no input. That's incredibly poor game design.

If the keepers throwing to the wing I can't f**king run. **slow clap for the design team**

If I header a ball out of the box it will almost always bounce centre and then almost always to an opposition player, at no point will any of my players EVER position themselves to even attempt to get the knockdown.

Sliding tackle? Now.... guess where that's going to bounce. And you tackle the opposition player it went to.. and where did that bounce? Sound familiar? You're not taking into account force and angles, etc. You're deciding which player it will bounce next to. That's poor design yet again.

There's just too much of this "roll the dice" "has decided what will happen" BS in the game in place (actively so) of actual player interaction.

Let us PLAY the game, not force us to watch with no ability.. no, not no ability, but actively TAKING AWAY our ability to play. Imagine that, you have actually made a game that TURNS THE F**CKING CONTROL OFF to give the AI an advantage!

How the hell can you not see this KONAMI?
 

gualivchenko

Registered User
Please Konami listen this post.
Freedom!!!
If you script referí determinations, ok, that happens, but super free kick shooters or my movement freedom... that's just unacceptable.
 

g221911g

Registered User
I truly believe they could make this the best footy game out there if only they would listen - when it all goes correctly, as in the game actually doing what you're telling it, not necessarily the score line of the game, it's an amazing game, but when you're playing amazing yet every single shot of yours is saved no matter how impossible yet they score from the most basic of shots, you can't help but feel that you're an observer not a player.

If someone from KONAMI is actually reading this, which I somehow doubt, get that in your heads. We don't want to play and think we're just along for the ride, that the decision of who can score or who can defend is pre chosen. We want to be the player not the spectator and you have, at every step, made it so sometimes it just doesn't matter what we do. We may as well just get up and put down the control as you have just removed any interactivity from the game.

e.g.

Free kicks - it doesn't matter what I do, where I position myself, if that ball is goal bound and my keeper can't save it, that guy that I've ran back to mark the post will NEVER jump for it. Never. You decide if the opposition will score and I have absolutely no input. That's incredibly poor game design.

If the keepers throwing to the wing I can't f**king run. **slow clap for the design team**

If I header a ball out of the box it will almost always bounce centre and then almost always to an opposition player, at no point will any of my players EVER position themselves to even attempt to get the knockdown.

Sliding tackle? Now.... guess where that's going to bounce. And you tackle the opposition player it went to.. and where did that bounce? Sound familiar? You're not taking into account force and angles, etc. You're deciding which player it will bounce next to. That's poor design yet again.

There's just too much of this "roll the dice" "has decided what will happen" BS in the game in place (actively so) of actual player interaction.

Let us PLAY the game, not force us to watch with no ability.. no, not no ability, but actively TAKING AWAY our ability to play. Imagine that, you have actually made a game that TURNS THE F**CKING CONTROL OFF to give the AI an advantage!

How the hell can you not see this KONAMI?


Spot on again. Turning control off to force gameplay and action. Pathetic. Seriously, in what year will I be able to move my goalkeeper after he catches the ball?

How I wish a third company would make a game. As it is now, FIFA (for ME), although not great, is still MILES better than pes because of the fact that the user still has control/freedom to make their own decisions.

You don't even play pes, you watch it and give suggestions.
 

Lord Wibble

Registered User
You should never EVER have to play a game you can't possibly win. I am soooo frustrated by PES 2012 that I have virtually given up playing it. I can only manage about 2 games in a row before I get so angry I hurl abuse at the playstation and give up. If you really really really have to have scripted games in Master League don't make them so bloody obvious. I have had situations where MY OWN players tackle me so the CPU can get the ball and score !!! And leading 2-1 on aggregate from the away leg of a dodgy Europa tie I KNEW the CPU would cheat. And lo and behold the most comicle of own goals helped by my defender refusing to clear a ball right next to him, my goalkeeper refusing to catch it and 3 players near it all kicking it at the same time against the head of another hapless player ... the result being the ball flying into the back of my net and me playing keep ball for the next 70 minutes. Oooohhhh exciting. Not.
 

Skeezix

Registered User
Yeah it's preety ridiculous when this happens.

For me doens't even the switching player works. That's what frustrates me the most.
The CPU player is running and I'm trying to swithc players and nothing happens!!! I look at the radar and the player switching are 2 player that are in the opposite side of field.

The player keeps running and when finally I switch to the player close to the ball (almost inside my area) y tackle and the CPU manages to jump and stay with the ball even if is tackled by 2 different players consecutively... he shots and scores...

That happens to me very often in games that are tied when I was shooting and shooting and the ball just don't enter... even Messi misses without keeper.

And that's how I lost.
 

ratatouille

Registered User
It is something rediculous...
The AI is always cheating to win something that always gets on my nerves!
The goalkeepers of th CPU are like they have superpowers! WTF?!?!??!
 

Wewillgreetu

Registered User
Hmmm I don't think its called cheating, I just think its poor AI that has been put into the game. Seriously the amount of stupid goals scored in this game is beyond belief. "Freedom" pah! I actually feel that PES2012 has handed the computer more control than ever. You need to rely on the AI positioning players which never ever happens, particulary when it comes to defending. I think I may just miss out this years football. I honestly wish there was more choices when it came to football games. PES was once a masterpiece now its this? They seem to be concentrating more on small details like substitutes jogging around, press members, managers etc but what is the point in all this when your missing out on developing the main thing, which is the gameplay?
 

GSC

Registered User
Hi there,

I play PES since PES6 and i always played on topplayer (and i may say that i'm a good player) but what i see this year i can't believe my eyes... At every PES edition i got the feeling when i win that it was because i was better then the CPU and when i loose because i diserved it and played bad. Ok, sometimes i play good and i lost but thats football!!! But this year i feel cheated!!!

-CPU scores almost every freekick from every angle.
-all the CPU defenders are fasters then my fastest attackers.
-every time i clear the ball or long pass returns into CPU foot
-every move i plan or trick i do, it's like they can read my mind. They ALWAYS know what i want to do.
-most of my shots are sooo slow with no power
-CPU shots are always dangerous or goal
-most of the shots are going to the middle of the goalkeeper (and yes i press right or left)
-the new defending system is NOT trustable
-it's like every team is full of Messis or Ronaldos
-the CPU dribbles me like a knife true butter
-...

I hope KONAMI listens to the fans and fix this problems because i never felt sooo bad with a PES game :crymore:

Sorry for my frustration


same here played since pes6 always on top player except on 2012 when Ive played on regular to eliminate the scripting but also the joy from the game and Im getting the exact same problems....they are trying to be all realistic like fifa but no pes fan gives a s**t for that we want; speed where actual fast players pull away and aren't caught by an oppo player with much lower speed stats, freedom of our passes and our players, and take the little things out like how the cpu always steals the ball as soon as Ive thrown it in, the refs giving every single tackle as a foul even when its not, the keepers just collapsing on the spot not moving an inch to let in a piece of s**t goal, the tackling in last man situations because if I lunge in its because I want to stop the player so let me hack them out I dont care if its a red card, and that stupid thing were my own teammates skip over the ball that was intended for them that was done ok in 2011 but its just crap in 2012.....Ive felt the gap was so wide in 2009 between pes and fifa because fifa09 was shocking and even tho pes2010 was the best footy game ever fifa caught sum ground by releasing a half decent game that year and pes has majorly declined in 2011 and 2012 where fifa is making strides....pes2012 is only a bit ahead anymore so if fifa keep improving for fifa13 they way they have the past 3 years then Im taking my custom elsewhere....listen to the fans konami there is a reason most people rant on pes2011 and pes2012 and then go and play the classics its because they had a fun winning formula
 
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