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Seabass Interview SECRETS OF PES6 (08/10/06)

Chuck Morris

aka BlueScouse
This is from a thread over on PESFan, the interview was conducted in German but it has been translated quite badly so you'll have to try and make as much sense of it as you can.

Looks like the Xbox 360 version is a half arsed effort by the Konami boys with no major graphical updates on the stadiums, a toned down Edit Mode and no Bundesliga..............these guys are getting seriously lazy with the 360 version.

It seems as though they have spat their dummy out because they had to remove the Bundesliga even though they had done all the work on the teams and players, so they've just thought fuck it, we'll release what ever we've done so far whether it's finished or not..........next years game will be better so there!

Pissed off man :angry:

Heres the interview:

With the PES European championship in Dublin we could play not only extensively pro evolution Soccer 6 at Xbox 360 and PS2, but also lead an interview with the father of the football simulation: Shingo “Seabass” Takatsuka. The master of Japanese ball physics expressed itself to the German league loss, to the PlayStation 3 and coming feature.

4Players: Erstmal congratulations on pro evolution Soccer 6! All journalists here in Dublin are itself united that Konami could make again a grandioses play more grandioser a bit. How do you deal with the pressure to have to create each year this jump?

Seabass: Yes, the pressure is enormous each year. But it is not the pressure that we must absolutely deliver a better play than last year. It is rather the pressure to fulfill new expectations of the fans as well as possible. We collect the feedback very with the utmost care and want each year with realistic football a new enthusiasm to kindle.

4Players: Although we are spielerisch inspired, a fader taste for German players remains: the league is missing. In PES4 and PES5 there was a German league with fictitious association names and leotards, now is only the FC Bavaria Munich thereby…

Seabass: Yes, us quasi in last minute the rights were extracted.

4Players: The DFL forbade even a simulated league. The fans are naturally sour. What do you think of this cutting?

Seabass: We are annoyed also much, the whole team are correctly sour. On the one hand we had already prepared the values and statistics for the German crews. And then these license problems ensure for the fact that all work in vain was. The whole team is correctly sour. We will set however everything to prevent this absence in the next year.


4Players: Actually there is a point of criticism only regarding the Xbox 360: the fade window blind. We were disappointed something that the spectators and the Stadiondrumherum were not brought on NEXT generation level. Why didn't that fold? And itself is Konami of this weak point conscious?

Seabass: Yes, we know around this weakness. And we are even not content honestly said with the fan window blind on the Xbox 360. We are about already to improve for the next year. There some will do.

4Players: The Germans played a quite good WM. And the team plays itself in PES6 recreating differently, substantially more actively and more offensively. Did you improve the values of the crew in view of the achievement?

Seabass: Yes! We adapted a great many values. I was simply very done by the German crew. With the WM in Japan they did not please me yet so well, but in this year they were correctly good. Therefore I took over personally the programming of the Germans.

4Players: Thus aren't we mistaken the fact that Michael Ballack plays aka “Kruger” e.g. clearly more strongly and more effectively from the second row takes off?

Seabass: That is correct, Michael Ballack is now as a guidance player more salient.

4Players: How is with the individual team strengths? Is it correct that the tactical march direction of the crews is to be recognized etc. now on the basis their operating attitude that one notices the play style more clearly? We could examine so far not all teams so intensively.

Seabass: Correctly. Brazil and the FC Barcelona will fast notice for example as very offensive teams conceived - who plays it with the standard attitudes, that they look for rather the way by the center. Germany was designed however for the wing play over lame. We want to arrange this system for PES7 still clearer.

4Players: Isn't there there a conflict between the individual and the team strengths?

Seabass: That is the challenge. We will offer side for the next expenditures on still more individual values and statistics. On the other side we want the soul of the teams still more strongly rausarbeiten. The balance between individuality and collective is the difficulty.

4Players: If one the PS2 and the 360-Fassung compares: Were the animations taken over simply 1:1 or refined and/or supplemented for of Microsoft console?

Seabass: On the PS2 have we between 4000 and 5000 animations. If we had arranged all this completely again for the Xbox 360, we would alone have used two to three years for it - thus we took over the basic stick. But naturally we integrated 360 also completely new movements for the Xbox.

4Players: Which for example?

Seabass: For example the early taking of the ball or the firing movement. Both was refined for the Xbox 360 and is so not on the PS2 to be seen. In addition we have a fully mobile fussspitze only on the Xbox 360. Again also many hand movements and natural the Mimik are; those provides on of Microsoft console for the first time for furious or merry face expressions.

4Players: Why doesn't one have the full editing function, which possesses the PS2-Fassung on the Xbox 360?

Seabass: We had to be limited here simply for time reasons to the substantial. The editing function of the PS2 is so complex, since one can change each detail. And there we for the Xbox 360 many new diagrams use, we still at least six to twelve months for the full editing extent would have used. But I promise now already that the next PES will likewise offer on the Xbox 360 everything.

4Players: So far one could play on-line on the Xbox only one against one. Will it give on-line tournaments to live ones for Xbox also?

Seabass: No, for it the time was not also enough unfortunately. We had to already program this on-line mode opposite PES5 completely again. Now the whole has to do nothing more with on-line mode of the PS2. The advantage is that the play barness is now in the Internet a better.

4Players: Why did you decide for Santa Cruz as Coverfigur?

Seabass: That has many reasons. On the one hand Wolfgang Ebert [European PR manager Konami] likes it. (laughs) on the other hand there were not with the player search also many alternatives - either had other professionals of the FC Bavaria vacation and was in the hot phase of the decision not to be achieved or it had already different contracts. It was like Katz and a mouse play.

4Players: As far you are with the development of Winning Eleven 11 [the Japanese version of PES; Note D. Talk.] for the PlayStation 3?

Seabass: We are nearly finished. Property it is that we could gain already very much experience with the Xbox 360-Code and the whole thereby more easily to transfer to be able.

4Players: John Carmack said that the PlayStation is to be programmed 3 more with difficulty than the Xbox 360. Which experiences made you?

Seabass: I agree it. One can transfer a PC play more easily to the Xbox 360 than to the PS3. However one may not forget that it is no longer so heavy for us as experienced PS2-Entwickler. And I think that in, two years will again relate itself, if all could gain this experience.

4Players: Will it give also a version of pro to evolution Soccer for the Wii?

Seabass: We say neither nor no. But can be safe you that we think about it. (laughs) 4Players: Thank you for the interview.
 

Karaoke29

Registered User
Thanks for your hard effort BlueScouse.

The only thing that has made me annoyed a little bit, is that there is no much improvement regarding some player movements on PS2.
 

Chuck Morris

aka BlueScouse
Ahmedios said:
Thanks for your hard effort BlueScouse.

The only thing that has made me annoyed a little bit, is that there is no much improvement regarding some player movements on PS2.

I didn't translate it mate, someone lese did on PESFan.

I've just bought a 360 a few days ago aswell, mainly for PES6 aswell and now i find out that it's gonna be an unfinished game and that we'll have to wait another year for a truly next-gen PES.............taking the piss Konami!
 

zeemeister

Registered User
Ouch thats tough bluescouse, theres always Fifa 07 though.......as if.

PS2 edit mode sounds excellent.
 

Chuck Morris

aka BlueScouse
zeemeister said:
Ouch thats tough bluescouse, theres always Fifa 07 though.......as if.

PS2 edit mode sounds excellent.

:laugh: Fuck that right off! Downloaded the 360 demo and it's awful.

Still got my PS2 so i'll see what PES6 is like on that.
 

Preki-USA

Registered User
BlueScouse said:
This is from a thread over on PESFan, the interview was conducted in German but it has been translated quite badly so you'll have to try and make as much sense of it as you can.

Looks like the Xbox 360 version is a half arsed effort by the Konami boys with no major graphical updates on the stadiums, a toned down Edit Mode and no Bundesliga..............these guys are getting seriously lazy with the 360 version.

It seems as though they have spat their dummy out because they had to remove the Bundesliga even though they had done all the work on the teams and players, so they've just thought fuck it, we'll release what ever we've done so far whether it's finished or not..........next years game will be better so there!

Pissed off man :angry:

Heres the interview:

i feel like all the sports games for the 360 has been half-assed
 

Dan

Woo Woo Woo
Don't be daft, you lot were excpecting too much, we wont get a true next gen version untill the PS3 is out.
 

Sully

Wait Here, Gone for Help
Preki-USA said:
i feel like all the sports games for the 360 has been half-assed
Do you have a 360 preki? If you have live send us your gamertag
 

Magono

RaPiD 'MaGz' of the PeP
To be honest I have had a feeling for a while that the Next-Gen was going to over shadow this incarnation of PES. From playing the 360 version this year, it is not even close to better than PES5 on the PS2. We all have to realize that next-gen is the way to go so they need abit of practice getting to grips with it I guess. I get the feeling from reading the interview that seabass is being pulled in many directions as everyone and their aunties want the game on different platforms. I still reckon this will be the PES of PES' though on the PS2.

 

Davinche

International Player
This has probably be run through bablefish (translation site) rather than a German member who has actually translated it himself. This is why it reads like a riddle.

If james is reading I hope this cements to him what I said about seabass favouring the playstation regardless of which console sells better or is better.
Im not saying I blame him, he has his reasons, but the fact that he has a next gen console RIGHT NOW and is still not doing anything to drastically upgrade the game, basically waiting for th3 PS3 is dispointing (personally)

If you read this thread you will see some things I said about pes6 on 360 when I played it. Dont get me wrong the core gameplay is all there, but personally I felt the graphics were not good. Kits lacked much detail, and everything is shiny much like Fifa 06 for the 360 and perfect dark zero. Basically the problem is though some parts look next gen, like the players faces, others were not, such as thier hair which was a straight rip from the current genration ones, this makes the players look VERY tacky and fake. I cant correctly describe it, but It just didnt look very good.

And after reading this I will be getting PES6 for my PS2, and just wait till PES7for the real next gen version.
 

crazy47

Registered User
BlueScouse said:
I didn't translate it mate, someone lese did on PESFan.

I've just bought a 360 a few days ago aswell, mainly for PES6 aswell and now i find out that it's gonna be an unfinished game and that we'll have to wait another year for a truly next-gen PES.............taking the piss Konami!


BlueScouse i dont belive u bought an xbox 360. i think u are lying
 

wrathchild_uk

Registered User
This is stupid if true the 360 has been out since Christmas and i'm sure Konami could of worked hard to ensure that the 360 version was no worse in terms of features. I aint buying a version with a basic edit mode, i noticed from the screenshots that none of the players have untucked so i guess thats been removed and i bet you wont be able to have things like long socks, short socks etc. Ok its not like the end of the world but little things like that matter cus it makes the game more realistic. It's just pure shit you know..
 

jamez

Calcio Agriculturus
I agree that Seabass favours all things Playstation. Reading between the lines it seems that Seabass is bitter that next-gen PES has arrived on the 360 before the much-delayed PS3. Konami have had over a year to develop for the 360 (which is an easy console to program for according to those in the know) so all these excuses about pressures of time don't wash with me. As a result, he's made a half-arsed version of PES6 for the 360 in the hope that many people will reconsider buying a 360 and continue with the PS2, and in time then buy PES7 on the PS3. I think he's trying to make PES6 on the 360 a failure so that he can concentrate on the PS3. Maybe Sony is involved behind the scenes?

I know some of you will disagree with this conspiracy theory but thats how i see it. And its a shame that Konami doesn't want to embrace a multi-format PES. Say what you want about EA, but they give each format their full attention and i might even give FIFA 07 a look this year.
 

wrathchild_uk

Registered User
jamez said:
I agree that Seabass favours all things Playstation. Reading between the lines it seems that Seabass is bitter that next-gen PES has arrived on the 360 before the much-delayed PS3. Konami have had over a year to develop for the 360 (which is an easy console to program for according to those in the know) so all these excuses about pressures of time don't wash with me. As a result, he's made a half-arsed version of PES6 for the 360 in the hope that many people will reconsider buying a 360 and continue with the PS2, and in time then buy PES7 on the PS3. I think he's trying to make PES6 on the 360 a failure so that he can concentrate on the PS3. Maybe Sony is involved behind the scenes?

I know some of you will disagree with this conspiracy theory but thats how i see it. And its a shame that Konami doesn't want to embrace a multi-format PES. Say what you want about EA, but they give each format their full attention and i might even give FIFA 07 a look this year.

I dont think they favour the playstation its just more the fact that the 360 is the only next gen console out and they probably cudn't be botherd to do a proper version cus the ps3 aint out yet. Pes5 is exactly the same on the xbox compared to the ps2 version and even better accourding to some people, so i doubt Konami favour the playstation..
 

jamez

Calcio Agriculturus
But Seabass has said the Playstation pad is ideal for PES. Its what the game is designed around!
 

zeemeister

Registered User
FIFA aren't passionate about anything, they'll release a 07 cardgame to make the moolah.....Seabass is Japanese, xbox 360 is so dead in japan it's not even funny.

I agree with with your theory, about the whole deal with sony, maybe they'll give him a fat heap of cash so he can get those licences.:tongue:

Remember what GTA did for ps2, imagine what a truly next-gen PES would do for the xbox 360.

I so hope the transition for pes from ps2 to ps3 is as great as GTA's transition from ps1 to ps2. That my friends was phenomenol.
 
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