[STATS] FM to PES 2012 Converter
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vinnie07
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I haven't tried it yet, vinnie. You didn't send me the file
FFS i could have sworn i sent you two PMs?!
Ok I'll send you the file thus far soon... once I've inputted the calculations for the Attack/Defence Awareness, oh yeah baby you heard me right i've worked something out just have to see if it works
I've also added a better method for working out the players form too. Paul was right the stats look a bit over rated right now but that's easily sorted!
vinnie07
Registered User
I'm off to watch An Idiot Abroad 2 now so I'll continue again later and hopefully get the Attack/Defence Awareness scores done tonight.
So far my calculations are working, hopefully ready for a test at some point tomorrow.
Paul, if you can play with the draft version you've got to see if you can get the stats rated lower (more reasonable) let me know how you do and if you can sort something, post them up and I'll copy them in!
So far my calculations are working, hopefully ready for a test at some point tomorrow.
Paul, if you can play with the draft version you've got to see if you can get the stats rated lower (more reasonable) let me know how you do and if you can sort something, post them up and I'll copy them in!
paul2478
Moderator
Sounds like you have made alot of progress With the Fast/Target Striker I changed it as in FM/GEnie Scout 2011 when you click on the positions tab there is only striker, I think they took out the Fast/Target Striker & replaced them with Striker/Free Role from FM2010 onwards.
I will have a think about the stats, might need to create new formulas as with the current ones if I make them give lower readings the maximum ratings will be lowered as well. This might not be a bad thing though as it allows for player growth in ML/BAL. What do you think to the maximum for any single stat being 90 even if a player is rated 20 in FM???
With the Fast/Target Striker I changed it as in FM/GEnie Scout 2011 when you click on the positions tab there is only striker, I think they took out the Fast/Target Striker & replaced them with Striker/Free Role from FM2010 onwards.I will have a think about the stats, might need to create new formulas as with the current ones if I make them give lower readings the maximum ratings will be lowered as well. This might not be a bad thing though as it allows for player growth in ML/BAL. What do you think to the maximum for any single stat being 90 even if a player is rated 20 in FM???
Parmar1993
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I like the idea of growth cause I am going to be using it for ml anyway. however from my point of view, my team will be my arsenal team in 2023 so they are all the best players in the world. so I would prefer if it was an accurate reflection of the player.
like one of my players that has had their stats converted has 20 and 18 for acceleration and pace respectively but only got low 90's for it (I think) so I think it needs to be something like if it 18-20 for a couple of stats that combine to make 1 pes stat. then it should be pushing the 95+ mark.
yeah it'll mean that the game will be a bit easier, however, it'll give a more accurate reading. but I know what you mean about lowering the ratings for player development in ml, I would just prefer the readings being as accurate as possible as opposed to underrating the player.
like one of my players that has had their stats converted has 20 and 18 for acceleration and pace respectively but only got low 90's for it (I think) so I think it needs to be something like if it 18-20 for a couple of stats that combine to make 1 pes stat. then it should be pushing the 95+ mark.
yeah it'll mean that the game will be a bit easier, however, it'll give a more accurate reading. but I know what you mean about lowering the ratings for player development in ml, I would just prefer the readings being as accurate as possible as opposed to underrating the player.
vinnie07
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Yaek im with you on the positions, at least ive got that sorted so that not all opf the fileds have to completed, we can just put in numbers for the positions Genie scout gives us and thats in 1-20 scores now instead of % ratings
I have some calculations put aside from the converter i was originally working on that are a mix of Gortop's and Ortegaz's along with some of my own so i'll add them in today and see how i go!
As far as the Attack/Defence awrenesses go, my calculations work but i really need guidance on what they do. Perhaps someone could get some info from someone in the know and can provide an explanation as how the edit mode describes them? theres all sorts of ways we could get them calculate just need to know which way is the most relevant!
For info: It's looking like there will need to be a separate sheet for GKs, which is fine!
I have some calculations put aside from the converter i was originally working on that are a mix of Gortop's and Ortegaz's along with some of my own so i'll add them in today and see how i go!
As far as the Attack/Defence awrenesses go, my calculations work but i really need guidance on what they do. Perhaps someone could get some info from someone in the know and can provide an explanation as how the edit mode describes them? theres all sorts of ways we could get them calculate just need to know which way is the most relevant!
For info: It's looking like there will need to be a separate sheet for GKs, which is fine!
vinnie07
Registered User
Parmar what you need to remember is that FM stats are based on opinion of the scout working for sports interactive and PES stats are based on the opinion of someone from Konami, essentially what were trying to do is combine the opinions of sports interactive and konami. What's more, the calculations of any converter are based on the opinion of the writer when he's deciding what FM stats are relevant to the respective PES stats.
When you ask people what FM stats should be used in PES again, your getting opinions again and well never have a converter because everyone thinks something slightly different.
When you take all of this into account you need to think of a converter as a guide not a exact converter!
As far as development works players in FM improve based on, age, training routines, experience and a whole load more. In previous PES games players improve or lessen based on age. This year the training in ML has changed slightly so well have to find out how that works before we play with it! For this reason i think a dev. curve addition to the converter cant be done just yet, although i bloody well want to try!
You also have to take into consideration that PES uses "form" to dictate a players stats for a game, a red up arrow increases the players stats by 10% or even more, cant remember now, this makes a exact converter difficult as well as a players stats effectively change all the time!
Based on all this ive now changed the name of the excel file from Stats converter to stat conversion guide
So when we do release it (even for testing) please think of it as a guide and then do what you want with the PES stats your given, don't take it as exact and then dislike it.
vinnie07
Registered User
OK UPDATE,
I've got the Attack awareness working now. It will be dictated by the players position and the height of his attack stat. Different positions need different attack stats, so hopefully this will make the players more individual this way, i wanted to take preferred moves/index cards into consideration but this proved really difficult, however the player's attack/defence stats take this into account anyway.
Just got the Defence Awareness to do now and then i'll move on to sorting the general calculations to ensure players arent over rated!
I've also altered some of the index card calculations so that they take the player's positions into account so that we dont get CFs with the box-box card, they will now get the track back card instead!
laters, im off back into my hole
I've got the Attack awareness working now. It will be dictated by the players position and the height of his attack stat. Different positions need different attack stats, so hopefully this will make the players more individual this way, i wanted to take preferred moves/index cards into consideration but this proved really difficult, however the player's attack/defence stats take this into account anyway.
Just got the Defence Awareness to do now and then i'll move on to sorting the general calculations to ensure players arent over rated!
I've also altered some of the index card calculations so that they take the player's positions into account so that we dont get CFs with the box-box card, they will now get the track back card instead!
laters, im off back into my hole
Parmar1993
Registered User
good job! really looking forward to seeing the the updated version. I will do some tests with the original one just to see if it is all good.
once you've uploaded the updated one I will see if any minor fixes need to be made, although by the sounds of things, I dont think much will need to be changed.
once you've uploaded the updated one I will see if any minor fixes need to be made, although by the sounds of things, I dont think much will need to be changed.
vinnie07
Registered User
Keep open minded mate! I am!!
Just done the defence awareness stat, like ive said there are lots of parameters that could have been taken into consideration but either my brain or excel wont have, probably both
Anyway, its done and its a guide just like the rest of the stats!
Ive altered the GK skills stat for the outfield players to say 50 for all of them except if the player is someone like Phil Jagielka (who has played in goal in the past) they will get 60.
I need to work on the rest of the stat calculations now then it should be ready for testing, while thats going on i'll start creating a separate sheet for the GKs. PHEW
vinnie07
Registered User
cheers peixe,
Things to do before testing:
A few aesthetics to be improved
IMO the attack defence stats need adjusting based on the player's registered position
alter the calculations for the rest of the stats
Once ive done the above, probably tomorrow, it should be ready for testing, i'll send it to paul first for his view let him post it up for general testing if he thinks it's ok!
No reason why this shouldnt be ready for UK release... fingers crossed!
rejoice people we have a converter, well, a conversion guide
Things to do before testing:
A few aesthetics to be improved
IMO the attack defence stats need adjusting based on the player's registered position
alter the calculations for the rest of the stats
Once ive done the above, probably tomorrow, it should be ready for testing, i'll send it to paul first for his view let him post it up for general testing if he thinks it's ok!
No reason why this shouldnt be ready for UK release... fingers crossed!
rejoice people we have a converter, well, a conversion guide
lemonegasque
Registered User
Oh oh oh, big problem ! You're in trouble ! :hmm:
The program "FM to PES" was developed by Ortegaz, from CYPES ( http://CustomYourPES.com/Stats ).
For legal and copyright reasons, you have NO right to use FMtoPES without Ortegaz's approval !
You have much less right to MODIFY the program we created.
Something we didn't like was that you didn't even attributed FMtoPES to CYPES, the authors... :angry:
At least you could have asked. You know what ? The original creator is currently working on a new version called FMtoPES 2012, adapting the stats to the new PES stats. Please let him do. If you have comments or advices to help him, ok, I'm listening to you, but only he can modify his creation.
Oh and you know what, there will be a topic to ask for stats. Meanwhile, DON'T use FMtoPES. There are laws, you'd better respect them !
The program "FM to PES" was developed by Ortegaz, from CYPES ( http://CustomYourPES.com/Stats ).
For legal and copyright reasons, you have NO right to use FMtoPES without Ortegaz's approval !
You have much less right to MODIFY the program we created.
Something we didn't like was that you didn't even attributed FMtoPES to CYPES, the authors... :angry:
At least you could have asked. You know what ? The original creator is currently working on a new version called FMtoPES 2012, adapting the stats to the new PES stats. Please let him do. If you have comments or advices to help him, ok, I'm listening to you, but only he can modify his creation.
Oh and you know what, there will be a topic to ask for stats. Meanwhile, DON'T use FMtoPES. There are laws, you'd better respect them !
lemonegasque
Registered User
Caricature isn't a correct answer. If you don't have any consideration towards laws, please at least respect the work of the others when they ask for it.
I'm not insulting you. Don't do so in return.
I'm not insulting you. Don't do so in return.
peixe02
Registered User
I don't see it as a question of law, to be honest. What Vinnie and Paul have been doing lately are very different from what Ortegaz has done in the past... different calculations to suit the PES stats better, different ways to attribute cards to the players, Injury and Att/Def awareness, etc...
They may have used Ortegaz converter as a base (and they always said that they did use it), but now it's a different file. Something like the relation between Wii and PS Move.
And after all, they are both trying to help the PES community, not trying to earn money with the converter nor win a nobel prize for it. There is no need to call the Interpol.
They may have used Ortegaz converter as a base (and they always said that they did use it), but now it's a different file. Something like the relation between Wii and PS Move.
And after all, they are both trying to help the PES community, not trying to earn money with the converter nor win a nobel prize for it. There is no need to call the Interpol.
paul2478
Moderator
Just like to say I'm sorry if I offended anyone, In my my earlier adapdations of the editor it clearly has Ortegaz name in the file as well as a credit it was only with the latest version that his name isnt in the file name, but the credits still remain on the instruction page.
I always assumed that Ortegaz wasnt active any more as the editor was made for PES5 & has never been updated even though we have had new skill cards/stats in both PES & FM since then.
As peixe has said Vinnie has created a whole new converter that i've been helping him with which does not use the Ortegaz file in any way.
If Ortegaz wants to PM saying he's not happy with what I have done I will happily remove all links to the converter I edited even though what remains now from the original is basically just the layout
I always assumed that Ortegaz wasnt active any more as the editor was made for PES5 & has never been updated even though we have had new skill cards/stats in both PES & FM since then.
As peixe has said Vinnie has created a whole new converter that i've been helping him with which does not use the Ortegaz file in any way.
If Ortegaz wants to PM saying he's not happy with what I have done I will happily remove all links to the converter I edited even though what remains now from the original is basically just the layout