stop Complaining

[Decryptus]

Wow every thread boo hoo, boo hoo, everyone plays with same teams, I can't win, I never play with a big team, usually i play with benfica, and I have a 620 rating, i beat all big teams, with no cut backs, no garbage. I play the right way, build up play, strong defense. You have to learn tactics, switch your formation, play counter attacking futbol at times. Man, stop crying, and making excuses. The only thing that i read that is legit, is the lag, (cheaters). It is sooo easy to defend the cut backs (U must use your goal keeper). Man up, stop crying and makin excuses. I'm going to start a online league, with table, wins and losses, no point system, all teams availible, one condition, once that team is takin its gone.

You talk alot of bullshit my friend...

I know your kind of players you defend all game and play on counter attack (probably use pressure liker all the other lamers). This is not the style I like to play... I like to build up attacks moving the ball from side to side and try to crack up the defence. But when playing all the time against 4-3-3 opponenets with superman wingers with counter attack and pressure turnd on all the time makes the game robotic and dosent make you a player, it makes you a proud lamer. I know how to play defence and use the counter attack and pressure 'strategy' but thats an ugly game.

There is only one thing I can say - using the computer to help you make defence by pressuring all the game and counter attacking just makes you another lamer!

 

[Kubi_KZ]

There is only one thing I can say - using the computer to help you make defence by pressuring all the game and counter attacking just makes you another lamer!

How true and very interesting point of view!

The problem in PES is that any lamer (regardless of runner, defender, early crosser) can get successful with the biggest teams.

If they were forced to play with lesser teams, they would not know what to do, and all of the sudden, the truely skilled PES players would start to appear on the top of the rankings list.

 

[DIECI]

I guess everyone is a "lamer" in one way or another! soon it will be, "if you use turbo you're a lamer" PLEASE! get over it!

 

[0-0-10]

lol if com pressure is lame than the whole game is lame, which isnt completley wrong maybe... but really, its not noob stuff like messi or the early cross or a complete unreal manner for that matter to do so. i dont see how its lame. putting pressure on someone and your teammate backs up you is just how it also works irl. lol

 

[Decryptus]

I guess everyone is a "lamer" in one way or another! soon it will be, "if you use turbo you're a lamer" PLEASE! get over it!

Oh com'on you what I mean!!! You know damn well that using pressure all the time is a freaking bug, there is not one team in this world that does it, even Barcelnoa and Arsenal that do pressure are doing it smartly. Think about it that way - if players are always running after the ball on the pitch they will probably loose thier strength after 30 minutes.

Some of you use pressure all the time and consider themselfs good players, and then come-out and talk shit like the guy who opend this thread. Its not a big deal taking a team like barcelona activating the pressure and running like an asshole after the player with the ball, And on top of that doing it using double-up.

I'm just saying let the player make the game! if I wanted to play against the computer I wouldnt go online!

 

[DIECI]

Oh com'on you what I mean!!! You know damn well that using pressure all the time is a freaking bug, there is not one team in this world that does it, even Barcelnoa and Arsenal that do pressure are doing it smartly. Think about it that way - if players are always running after the ball on the pitch they will probably loose thier strength after 30 minutes.

Some of you use pressure all the time and consider themselfs good players, and then come-out and talk shit like the guy who opend this thread. Its not a big deal taking a team like barcelona activating the pressure and running like an asshole after the player with the ball, And on top of that doing it using double-up.

I'm just saying let the player make the game! if I wanted to play against the computer I wouldnt go online!

by pressure you mean pressing X to close down the guy with the ball? and using square as your 2nd defender?

Ok then how do you play defense? Explain the non "lamer" way...

Plus its not your whole team thats sprinting and pressuring all game long, its just the players around the opponent with the ball, which is normal and it happens in real life. Now if it was the whole team doing it for 90 minutes I would agree with you.

 

[ferdinand001]

I agree with Depryctus all the way... because:

Lets face it... the gameplay online its broken...why??

Because the pressure its unbalanced, the 85% of the online games we have pressure by the sliders or the tactics, even both activated all the match... i see 4 or 5 players running behind messi or cr9 crushing each other without any AI.

I can accept the pressure issue as a bug in the gameplay if the AI controled player havent the hability to take the ball from a Human controled player...just in case of a bad pass the AI controlled Pressing player could take the ball... but these is not the case with PES 2010 online.... because of that the lamers exploit the bug...but in the end, the gameplay lets the players exploit that bug...so the fault is in the gameplay not in the players IMO. I you play again a "dead" team online ( i use term "dead" when the opponent quit the game and dont control his team) you can see the AI doing almost 30% of the job, thats depends on the tactics and sliders activated.

When i play online i would like to play against a human an his habilities...not against a human helped by the AI...because then, the game become unfear and related to the power of the team (reason why RM and Barza users win 60% of their matches ( if their are not stupids)).

IMO the tactics and sliders has to be a complement to the hability in the human player but never a equal like now in PES 2010.

In a lot online games i see people playing like these:

For example...with Brazil:

5-2-3, auto pressing tactics enabled, counterattack tactics enabled, pressing sliders enabled 95%, attack strategy slider enabled 10% (wider team), Defence line slider enabled 10%( really back)... with:

--------------------------Julio Cesar(GK)-------------------------------
Thiago Silva (CD)----Juan (CD)---Lucio(CD)-----Luisao(CD)--------Alves
-------------------Thiago Motta (DMF)----- The juventus DMF----------
ALL THEM DEFFENCE MINDED
----------Robinho (SS)--------Pato (SS)-----------Kaka (SS)-----------
THEM OFFENCE MINDED

Then... when they attack, just run with robinho, kaka or pato dribbling and doing cutbatcks... in a 10 min game they can score at least 2 goals...if the player are medium (like 450-550) category... these is nothing more than a BIG LAMERS...

If you play a man in the category of 600-700 with these formation you can see the same thing attacking, maybe taking out kaka for a center forward like Baptista or Adriano for headers and deffending (here comes the more LAMER thing) with one player using only the "radar" to follow the man who can get an eventual pass mean while the AI has 3 or 4 players chasing you across his field...IN THESE CASE THE MAN IS NOT DEFFENDING HIMSELF...you are playing against a LAMER...Against a BUGGER...helped by the lazzynes of the Konami development team.

Obviously..you can do the same...and win...but then you are not playing a football sim, IMO...you are playing a bugged computer game... maybe you even can win without using the same LAMER thing, but...with luck and lag free the 40% of the matches or least.

With the lag thing in the scene...you can not do anything against the bugged AI pressing, because the AI is "LAG FREE"...

If you play someone who has better ranking that 750 he is 95% secure, a lagger...

by the way, play more of 600 games online...having a ranking of 620-650 and sell PES 2010 today to get Fifa 10 just to play online...because even winning in PES online its not funny anymore...IMRHO...

Peace.

 

[DIECI]

I agree with Depryctus all the way... because:

Lets face it... the gameplay online its broken...why??

Because the pressure its unbalanced, the 85% of the online games we have pressure by the sliders or the tactics, even both activated all the match... i see 4 or 5 players running behind messi or cr9 crushing each other without any AI.

I can accept the pressure issue as a bug in the gameplay if the AI controled player havent the hability to take the ball from a Human controled player...just in case of a bad pass the AI controlled Pressing player could take the ball... but these is not the case with PES 2010 online.... because of that the lamers exploit the bug...but in the end, the gameplay lets the players exploit that bug...so the fault is in the gameplay not in the players IMO. I you play again a "dead" team online ( i use term "dead" when the opponent quit the game and dont control his team) you can see the AI doing almost 30% of the job, thats depends on the tactics and sliders activated.

When i play online i would like to play against a human an his habilities...not against a human helped by the AI...because then, the game become unfear and related to the power of the team (reason why RM and Barza users win 60% of their matches ( if their are not stupids)).

IMO the tactics and sliders has to be a complement to the hability in the human player but never a equal like now in PES 2010.

In a lot online games i see people playing like these:

For example...with Brazil:

5-2-3, auto pressing tactics enabled, counterattack tactics enabled, pressing sliders enabled 95%, attack strategy slider enabled 10% (wider team), Defence line slider enabled 10%( really back)... with:

--------------------------Julio Cesar(GK)-------------------------------
Thiago Silva (CD)----Juan (CD)---Lucio(CD)-----Luisao(CD)--------Alves
-------------------Thiago Motta (DMF)----- The juventus DMF----------
ALL THEM DEFFENCE MINDED
----------Robinho (SS)--------Pato (SS)-----------Kaka (SS)-----------
THEM OFFENCE MINDED

Then... when they attack, just run with robinho, kaka or pato dribbling and doing cutbatcks... in a 10 min game they can score at least 2 goals...if the player are medium (like 450-550) category... these is nothing more than a BIG LAMERS...

If you play a man in the category of 600-700 with these formation you can see the same thing attacking, maybe taking out kaka for a center forward like Baptista or Adriano for headers and deffending (here comes the more LAMER thing) with one player using only the "radar" to follow the man who can get an eventual pass mean while the AI has 3 or 4 players chasing you across his field...IN THESE CASE THE MAN IS NOT DEFFENDING HIMSELF...you are playing against a LAMER...Against a BUGGER...helped by the lazzynes of the Konami development team.

Obviously..you can do the same...and win...but then you are not playing a football sim, IMO...you are playing a bugged computer game... maybe you even can win without using the same LAMER thing, but...with luck and lag free the 40% of the matches or least.

With the lag thing in the scene...you can not do anything against the bugged AI pressing, because the AI is "LAG FREE"...

If you play someone who has better ranking that 750 he is 95% secure, a lagger...

by the way, play more of 600 games online...having a ranking of 620-650 and sell PES 2010 today to get Fifa 10 just to play online...because even winning in PES online its not funny anymore...IMRHO...

Peace.

wow you're upset.......but its Konami that intruduced these tactics and sliders, in the past we had the arrow strategies which they replaced. I understand the "pressure" that you guys are talking about now... I thought you were talking about pressuring the player withe ball with your defender using X or square. But I see what you're saying.... I think you could counter the "pressure" you are describing by playing a more defensive, counter attack type game. If you try to play on TOP PLAYER rather than REGULAR the pressuring team should get tired by the middle of the 2nd half.

But most of the BARCA/REAL cheesers dont even use pressure or any other tactics though... they just play DEFAULT and run around with Messi or Ronaldo LOL

 

[Blaz00r]

I agree with Depryctus all the way... because:

Lets face it... the gameplay online its broken...why??

Because the pressure its unbalanced, the 85% of the online games we have pressure by the sliders or the tactics, even both activated all the match... i see 4 or 5 players running behind messi or cr9 crushing each other without any AI.

I can accept the pressure issue as a bug in the gameplay if the AI controled player havent the hability to take the ball from a Human controled player...just in case of a bad pass the AI controlled Pressing player could take the ball... but these is not the case with PES 2010 online.... because of that the lamers exploit the bug...but in the end, the gameplay lets the players exploit that bug...so the fault is in the gameplay not in the players IMO. I you play again a "dead" team online ( i use term "dead" when the opponent quit the game and dont control his team) you can see the AI doing almost 30% of the job, thats depends on the tactics and sliders activated.

Wow, people will always find things to complain about uh? Why are you complaining, the game has always been like that with options to pressure etc, what do you want the defenders you don't control to do? just stand there still until you control them?

And what are you talking about with the "dead" team thing? When your opponent doesn't control his players it becomes so easy to score, you just need to run through his defense because every time you get close to one of his defenders he will get the control of that defender and he will stand still, again, what do you expect the players to do, just stand still?
Konami took out the manual goal keeper off online just because of that, because when you control the keeper all the other players are controlled by the computer, anything else aside of that is in no way cheating or w/e.

And BTW, atleast get you facts right, Thiago Silva isn't a RB (wtf is CD?), the "Juventus DMF" is called Melo, and Motta (wtf?) hasn't even one national appearance.
And for the record, I've never seen a single person using this formation or even something close to it. But its a nice formation tho, thanks :w00t

 

[dicky_t]

any formation can be beaten if you know how to play against it and know how to use your formation and the key to that formation and its weakness is the DM and the fact they are pulled back allows you to pass in front of them,if you can pull one out and get in the space between that and the defender ,you can shoot ,even if your 30 yards out ,with that many defenders all it takes is a good shot or a deflection to wrong foot and go past the keeper

if your playing 4-4-2 use your wide midfeilders to come in feild and go towards their DM one will come across the other by default will come in to cover ,leaving your 2 central midfilders and the opposite wing free ,you then just pass to your nearest CM then to your next CM if he cant work the shot then you pass to your winger if ,you still cannot get a shot or pass away ,you work it back across your midfeild ,if his forewards come back you play it back to your defence ,when their forewards come to pressure your defence you just pass the ball across then foreward to your wide midfeilder untill you start at the posistion again ,working and retaining the ball ,if your opponent gets fustrated and starts to pull players out of posistion ,you can then start to exploit more space going foreward

its best to play a medium defensive line when playing against a counter attacking formation ,you want to keep him penned in to his own half but on one hand you dont want to sit too deep as you will struggle to retain to ball ,and on the other if your defensive line is too high ,you risk your defence been broken by quick players

 

[ferdinand001]

Again Blaz00r...

I would like to have 90% control of my team like PES6 , no 60% depending on the tactics enabled...same for the opponent human player.

Off course, about Melo i dont know every fucking player on earth...but you get the idea.

And yes, i want a dead...REALLY dead team without human control.

I dont know where you play(Europe, America, Japan) (PSN, XBOXLIVE, PC), but in americas xboxlive, almost every player above 650 rating play these kind of formation with Barza/RM/Brazil/Argentina/Inglaterra.

AND CD is CENTRAL DEFFENDER, I play the mex version so the LIBERO, DEFENSA CENTRAL,CENTRAL,STOPPER, or anyname you use in your area is called DC in PES.

Obviosly Silva its not a wing...but you can play 4 CDs or Back defenders or central defenders (i dont know how you call it) in the botton line...

Use that formation and you will win some matches without any hard work... I like play without these shits..

Peace.

 

[bunnywhi7e]

ferdinand001 - i absolutely, 110% agree on everything you've said so far. I'm glad that at least someone thinks the same way I do. Kudos!

But again I have to blame Konami for it not the actual players.