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Suggestions to Improve BaL

Heathen

Registered User
When I bought this game, I got it with a promise to my pal that I wouldn't play single player, but wait till weekend when we can play against each other. He doesn't have a PS3, so this way I'll never get too good at it and make the games a boring 1 sided affair.

Anyway I found the BaL mode and I'm loving it (Last PES I played was ISS98 on the N64!)

Now BaL is a great mode, but there is huge room for improvement on it. From what I've read it doesn't seem like much has changed from last year, which is a shame as it's so addictive!

So, here's how I'd improve it. (I play as a CF)

1) Match Experience.
Totally stupid. I can let the CPU go 1 goal ahead, then assist the leveller and score the winner and get more exp than if i score a hat trick.

2) Match Ratings.
Just seem random. They generally do not reflect the stats shown after a match. ie: I score 1, assist 1, and get 3 intercepts = 7, rooney scores 1, 0 assists, 0 intercepts = 7. huh?

3) Getting subbed off.
Incredibly frustrating and tiresome. Means you have to miss out on joining in the celebrations of winning trophies etc. I actually ran around for 30 mins with the ball in defence to see out the game just to guarantee I'd be there at the end.

4) Certain stats impossible to increase.
Agility, weak foot acc/tend etc. Why? Surely if I purposely try to shoot on my weak foot it should increase? (I tried for a while before I knew it couldn't go up)

5) Rather than Skip match, why not be able to ask to be on the bench instead?

6) Sponsorships.
Rather than just picking a set of boots that suits you, how about getting sponsorships which unlock new boots?

7) Training
How about, instead of match EXP, you boost your stats through training in between match days? They shouldn't take long to complete, be easy to learn but hard to master, and it would also mean you can play your heat out on match day knowing you wouldn't be dragging you exp down by scoring another goal to go 2 goals ahead.

There should be diffent schedules to choose from, which affect diffent stats, and you can do say 3 sessions.

8) Transfer Hate (Dunno what else to call this)
I signed for Man U mid way through my 2nd season after staying with Villa until they came knocking. Now when I go to Villa I should get a hostile reception and get booed by their fans, but they just don't seem to even notice!

9) News Info
I'm really not bothered that Ji Sung Park got into the top 20 on the assist leaderboard, tell me something about me!

10) Stamina
I currently have 86 stamina but unless I spend as much time as possible standing still I will be knackered by 60-70 mins. Surely in a game mode where you are only controlling 1 player stamina should last a bit longer.

11) Teammates
Very irregular in the way they play. I've played awesome through balls to rooney countless times and he just blasts them wide. When a CPU player hits one to them though he can hit the target with ease! (Note: don't think teaming up with Rooney will be great, hes a greedy sod and shoots from miles out. A lot.)

12) Manager talks
Would be cool If you could ask the manager to let you try a different position, ask to be paired with a different striker, attempt a contract renewal. Which leads to...

13) Transfers
Transfer speculation is non existent. Clubs should show interest in you before the windows. It'd be exciting knowing which clubs might bid for you when the window opens.

14) Watching Speed
When your not on the pitch, there REALLY needs to be more options. 2xspeed still takes 5mins a half on 10min matches. This is boring. Also SO annoying when the timer hits the 60 mark, then the ball refuses to go out of play. I came on once in the 83rd min. Great. Just let us skip to when we come on, because, thats what we're playing this mode for.

I could go on all night with loads of minor things which would make this mode awesome. I thought of most of those on the fly just now, after playing only 2.5 seasons. Wake up Konami, this mode is great!


So, what do you think would Improve BaL?
 

Ravex

Registered User
1) Match Experience.
Totally stupid. I can let the CPU go 1 goal ahead, then assist the leveller and score the winner and get more exp than if i score a hat trick.

The match experience has had me scratching my head a few times too. Honestly, I don't take notice of whats required to get the max amount of match points - I just play and hope for the best.

2) Match Ratings.
Just seem random. They generally do not reflect the stats shown after a match. ie: I score 1, assist 1, and get 3 intercepts = 7, rooney scores 1, 0 assists, 0 intercepts = 7. huh?

I've had a 7.5 by doing nothing, except running with the ball, shooting a few times and had a few through balls that never connected with the net. No one has quite figured out the match ratings - except that YOUR teammates get worse. I went to Liverpool onc and Torres were 2nd in the All-time rating rankings. By the end of the seaosn, he was nowhere to be seen on that list.

3) Getting subbed off.
Incredibly frustrating and tiresome. Means you have to miss out on joining in the celebrations of winning trophies etc. I actually ran around for 30 mins with the ball in defence to see out the game just to guarantee I'd be there at the end.

I've done that too ^^ Kicked the ball waaaay up ahead just to be able to participate with the celebrations.

4) Certain stats impossible to increase.
Agility, weak foot acc/tend etc. Why? Surely if I purposely try to shoot on my weak foot it should increase? (I tried for a while before I knew it couldn't go up)

Agreed.

5) Rather than Skip match, why not be able to ask to be on the bench instead?

And adding to this - you should be able to request a sub during the game. If you're up by 3 or 4 goals, and you KNOW that you're gonna win, then you should be allowed to go off.

7) Training
How about, instead of match EXP, you boost your stats through training in between match days? They shouldn't take long to complete, be easy to learn but hard to master, and it would also mean you can play your heat out on match day knowing you wouldn't be dragging you exp down by scoring another goal to go 2 goals ahead.

There should be diffent schedules to choose from, which affect diffent stats, and you can do say 3 sessions.

I've been asking for a training option within BAL forever now. Hell, just a normal training mode copypasted into BAL so that you can train on say freekicks or dribbling with YOUR PLAYER would be nice. But yeah, training drills is something I've been wishing for, for a long time now.

11) Teammates
Very irregular in the way they play. I've played awesome through balls to rooney countless times and he just blasts them wide. When a CPU player hits one to them though he can hit the target with ease! (Note: don't think teaming up with Rooney will be great, hes a greedy sod and shoots from miles out. A lot.)

I've had players such as Rooney and Andrew Johnson score lots of goals when I play these awesome through balls. Sure, they score in the same boring way every time - but they score :happy: Not always, mind you.

12) Manager talks
Would be cool If you could ask the manager to let you try a different position, ask to be paired with a different striker, attempt a contract renewal. Which leads to...

Yes please.

13) Transfers
Transfer speculation is non existent. Clubs should show interest in you before the windows. It'd be exciting knowing which clubs might bid for you when the window opens.

Also, you should be able to react towards a specific club. "The press are saying that Juventus are keeping their eyes on you, what are your thoughts?"

"Juventus can go to hell!"

You probably wouldn't be approached by Juve in that instance. Which is something I personally wouldn't want to.
 

Biffco

Registered User
Pretty much agree to all of your suggestions, if they were implemented correctly they would improve BAL hugely. Nice work mate.
 

TYayo

New Member
Wake up KONAMI !!!!

konami should realised that this BAL mode can bring them a lot of money ...

just do it online like WOW or something .. spend some time improving it and realesed it thats all,they allready have the idea and the publicity the rest should be the easy part ... i just dont get it why they dont focus on this mode it will be hell of fun playing league with team made only by real players am i right ?
 

dan80

Registered User
Yeah i hate getting subbed off and you dont celbrate ive not had it but its the same in any mode like ML if a player comes off he wont celebrate and he could of got the winning goal.

Sitting on the bench yeah thats so annoying i was on the bech for 2 games and the ball didnt go out ofr like 15mins so i i had no impact.

Plus the slowness and the dumb AI when your ready for a pass or you make space you just get ignored.

Id like sponsership deals.

Better training why do we haft to play matches cant we do focous point like freekicks penaltys passing bit like the training back on pes2.

1 more thing button lag has a major effect in this mode i feel.
 

shaun7

Registered User
Button lag in general is much worse in BAL than all other modes (in the first few years but then it gets better). So it is an issue.
Some other problems like the teamates (although they're much better than they were in pes 09).
But the biggest thing is the cheating. I cannot stand it. Make your oppenents clever but no cheating.
My player's speciality is speed and burst on the wing + double passes = goal. But the defenders outrun you which is totally insane considering I have a 90 in spee and over 80 dribble speed.

Also I totally agree that sitting on the bench watching the game is soooooooo annoying. This is like the thing I hate most.

Anyway I hope I am not sounding like a BAL hater because overall BAL is great. :)
 

Limphy

Registered User
My player's speciality is speed and burst on the wing + double passes = goal. But the defenders outrun you which is totally insane considering I have a 90 in spee and over 80 dribble speed.

yeah, focusing on speed is pretty much the only way to achieve anything in BAL..but even though the defenders are ridiculously fast, you can still get away with a lot by training your speed stats to the max
 

dan80

Registered User
there is a load of annoying stuff but the mode is so addictive i hope i will do better now im with my new team valencia
 

shaun7

Registered User
yeah, focusing on speed is pretty much the only way to achieve anything in BAL..but even though the defenders are ridiculously fast, you can still get away with a lot by training your speed stats to the max

Speed is only part of it. Body balance and strength play a bigger part because the defenders will always win anything with you unless you're fast and Strong.
 

Limphy

Registered User
^i guess it depends on your gamestyle..i usually turn a lot, to throw the defenders off, and avoid contact most of the time..nonetheless, speed always plays one of, if not the most important role..
 

byrnie05

Registered User
Possibility of joining bigger teams after the scouting match, but being sent out on loan at a smaller team to get your game time would be much more realistic than what we have now. At 17 I'm already starting in place of Hernan Crespo at Genoa and this is only about 20 games into the first season.

The biggest change needed though is my big gripe; allow us to change the leagues like in ML, so I can potentially play for my two edited teams or Arsenal, whilst being amongst fully licensed teams.

It works in ML, can't see why it was removed from BaL, other than they simply forgot.

Finally, it would be good to allow us to become defenders. I'd love to be the next Tony Adams. Bar the drink problem of course lol.
 

jamie-911

Registered User
12) Manager talks
Would be cool If you could ask the manager to let you try a different position, ask to be paired with a different striker, attempt a contract renewal. Which leads to...

13) Transfers
Transfer speculation is non existent. Clubs should show interest in you before the windows. It'd be exciting knowing which clubs might bid for you when the window opens.

Both of those would be very cool and it would be very interesting to see who might make a bid for you in the transfer window
 

25~ZoLa~25

Registered User
BaL is the best game mode on the game but they need to make it more realistic.
Last season on my BaL game i was playing for FC Twente in the dutch league, i got the most goals and the most assists in the league and i got voted into both european team of the year and world team of the year. At the end of the season i was expecting an offer from a world class team but the best team who offered for me was Burnley!!
In real if you get voted one of the best players in the world im sure you would get much better teams offering than Burnley.

A good idea would be to have like a message board which tells you all the rumours going around about you and your teams.
It would be a good idea if you have a choice to have interviews with the media to comment on rumours and any other question they ask.
 

EnglishSnake

Registered User
Id like training like dribbling sessions between the cones or practising FK with the coach and him telling you what you doing wrong etc

Plus id like it if you could speak to your manager to be played in a diff position
 

yen21

Registered User
how about adding a rival system in the bal system?

I think it will be really interesting element if we can interact with other players (cpu, of course) during before and after game sessions? then depends on the contents of conversation and the other parties' personality, it gives changes to your relationships. These relationships can be noticed in the gameplay situation. I want to see the clash like zidane and matterazzi or the friendship tie between gerrard and owen. Just add more real emotional sense in football games. Realistic huh?

I dun understand y there are no tutorial or specific training parts in bal modes. maybe should add in a part where the coach explain us about the strategy so that we understand the style of the game. Sounds very complex and wildful thought. haha
 
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