This is the issue i'm having, i'm not an expert on all the teams but many have expected me to get every team dead on right.
I saw loads of dortmund last year and this year. they play nice football,very nice, their centerbacks sit quite deep however and having pressure over 13 means they will push up all over the place and move out of position. Also they do love to counter once they are leading and in general like countering so i gave them similar settings to what i did in PES 2011 which worked scarily well. they played almost identicly like they did in real life.
how player support works is really the 'speed' of the attack rather than how they move in the attack. So by default they like to dominate possesion and play nice passing football in groups. At the back they keep the ball, play it around then once Kagawa gets it, he will work in little passges with Gundogan, Gotze tends to start out wide but drift in and out, they all link u well, they swap postiioins a lot and are really quite dynamic, which is why i gave them these settings.
if your settings work then fine, but wouldn't they be attacking really quickly all the time with 15 as player support?
sure it seems quite impossible to get every single team that "real", and there are few people who have time to watch footie 24/7. Dont feel any pressure to get it perfect, this thread is absolutely great and huge help. my aim was just to get kinda explanation or something, why you have chosen that settings.
i had some try on your tactics, well the results were interesting.
when watching a CPU game, CPU against CPU (superstar difficulty), dortmund played quite realistic, it was suprising how offensive the team played although you give player support and support range such low lewel settings. I always thought the lower you choose your setting the more defensive and careful the team reacts.
so it was nice to watch, offensive football, double-passing, one-touch, they created a good amount of goal shots and ball possession was always between 50 and 60%. I already noticed watching CPU that the defense had some problems nonetheless, the opponents are also creating lots of shots, especially when attacking over the wings.
When i tried it out myself (superstar difficulty)it was interesting to see how the midfield is pushing the attack zone further and further to opponents box, bender and gündogan, supported by the wbs schmelzer and piszczek made it easier to combinate, you always had someone near to pass the ball.
But my defense felt like an open gate, one lost ball, quick counters from 3 to 5 opponents players, only the centerbacks left and there was the mess. i dont lack at pes normally (although the game difficulty seems rather huge due to good AI) but this was quite terrible.
in reality, dortmund is known as the #1 team in bundesliga when it comes to quick switches between defense and offense. Intense "Offensive Pressing", introduced by Barrios and Kagawa and continued by the whole team to make the opponent lose the ball, superquick counters with few ball contacts, one-touch-football, immediate finish. the coach tries to educate players to finish the whole attack within few seconds.
on the other side, after winning championship this year, dortmund seems to get other reactions, the teams they play against seem to act much more defensively, deep defensive line, the whole team in own half so there is a need to act more with ball possession style than with quick counters. what i try to get into pes is mix between these two. a mix between ball possession and superquick counters, disciplined defense by the whole team, intense pressing.
you were right with your state that with pressing setting above 14/15 the centerbacks start to leave their positions and defende on the wing instead of center, that really seems to be quite unrealistic. but also in this case it would be nice to find a balanced setting between high intense-pressing and disciplined centerbacks holding their positions keep it shut in the middle.
Lookin forward to your thoughts, mate. This thread, this source is absolutely awesome, keep it going :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
Don't have the time. Sorry...
