Take a step back...

[spacedskunk]

Take a step back, Konami you have an opportunity to make a football game brilliant but it seems you won't embrace much change - your community will eventually dwindle and the PES franchise with it. Please for 2015 listen to your players, they will provide you with all the research you need to know because right now I think your first installment of PES on a next gen console will ultimately be a make or break situation.

For me Konami have kept the right direction - make the player control the team and allow them to fine tune the team to get it to play really well. Master league is excellent still, and the game experience on pitch is enjoyable but it's bogged down by awful AI.

Something for example is making my players forget their positions whilst defending, it resulted in 6 players chasing the oppositions winger completely leaving me open. This player still manages to get a cross in, this goes straight to my player who completely misses the ball for some reason consequently their striker gets it and shoots where it goes in from a fairly improbable angle. See the issue is I don't want to win every game, and I don't cheat in ML (I don't do the reloading after a loss etc). The real annoyance is it's obvious that the reason my players turned to stupid mode was an intentional AI mechanic - it's unrealistic, fustrating and has thus made me find a forum to give feedback.

I cannot answer for all the players, but if you made a game where I felt I was in control for 95% of the time it would be much much better than the current where I feel helpless. Players don't do obvious runs through defence even though you're right there waiting for them to do it, they run into each other, they miss the ball all too easy, sometimes they get stuck running forward for no apparent reason, you get fouls easy for doing sliding tackles when the reply shows clearly contact with the ball first - I could go on. Just please make 2015 enjoyable, make the player be in control, I'm sick of FIFA being better because PES always was the better FOOTBALL game. Fix the AI and PES 2015 will be 100% better, this to me has to be your priority.

 

[spacedskunk]

I am actually banging my head at the moment, yesterday I got so fustrated playing master league I rage quit - I was 1 nil up and all of a sudden MY team started acting like complete retards and I hadn't changed anything at all. It has resulted in the opposing team winning 2-1, I quit the game and restarted it to see if there was a pattern...once again...easy to go a goal up for my team then to act entirely idiotic...once again I lose 2-1...rinse and repeat for the 3rd time and the same outcome!!!! Is this pre written or something...wtf is going on?

I cannot see a reason why in reality some moron at Konami thought this was a good thing to implement? It's so damn obvious and frustrating for the player I am now leaving it.

I played my first 2 games today online and you know what, both times I went 1 goal up, both people I played scored 2 in the final minutes of the game and I couldn't do anything about it...my centre backs were just not passing right, they couldn't control the ball, they completely miss kicked the ball, they were stood still not seeming to be part of the action. It's fair to put in some artificial pressure but something so strong and obvious? What exactly is the point in that?

Do I have to go a goal down for my team to start playing properly...is that how the AI works?

Idiotic.

Sorry for my rant.

So so so disappointed with this game it's untrue.

 

[princo45]

I rage quit -

I was 1 nil up and all of a sudden MY team started acting like complete retards and

I cannot see a reason why in reality some moron at Konami thought this was a good thing to implement? It's so damn obvious and frustrating for the player I am now leaving it.

My centre backs were just not passing right, they couldn't control the ball, they completely miss kicked the ball, they were stood still not seeming to be part of the action.

So so so disappointed with this game it's untrue.

There is far too much of the game deciding the outcome of things rather than the user.

Because it plays so a big role for you it's also affecting the outcome by purposely playing bad for you and doing the wrong thing..

I noticed loads of instances playing against the AI where my control is hindered in some way to influence the outcome.. A player will lack response, a player will slow down, a player will stop running all by the control of the game. Players running in a direction that makes them more likely to not get the ball, player deliberately run into opponents and clumsily fell, purposely bad anticipation.

Even ball physics follow the same influence the outcome pattern.. favourable bounces that make no logical or physical sense but are purposeful to give a momentum and influence the outcome or against the player. I can say the ball played favourite the whole match.

Player freedom of control is an illusion in this game:

There is still something 'sticky' and rail-like about it, the way players move, run, turn, the way the ball decides where to go. It still doesn't feel properly 'free'. It also still feels governed more by odd background scripts rather than truly and exclusively by what you do with your controller.

Pathing to the ball and some actions are appalling , we are supposed to have freedom. It really doesn't feel like it - invisible force fields and rails are obvious and really annoying. Your player always ran/locked into the path of an opponent. You could sprint into a standing player and stop dead. It's like hitting an invisible brick wall.

Evasive reaction is a joke in this game. You saw the threat miles a way, You tried to evade, but always too late, your player already railroaded into the opponent and surrendered the ball.

The railing and pathing is too much that You always have the feeling of wrestling with your own game controller to play the game, a constantly bust-a-gut feeling with whatever You do the whole match (either passing, turning your player, dribbling, evading...to steer your player to the right direction).

 

[dekkoo84]

Fix the ref and every tacke i make being a damn foul, but when i get fouled anywhere on the pitch i get nothing??!! I lost many penalties due to this ..PLEASE PLEASE fix the ref and the fouls. Also i agree with everything else thats been said with players just running in one direction by themselves sometimes, but i dont think the game is scripted because i know what that feels like, iv been a FIFA guy for years and PES14 is my first PES and i love it, its realistic and way better and more fun then FIFA, but PLEASE KONAMI fix these issues we are having.

Keep the next PES15 as realistic as PES14 with the way the players touch the ball and such...I ALSO love the CLASSIC PLAYERS like RONALDO AND ZIDANE they move exactly like they did in real life and that is amazing good job and keep it that way!!!!!!!!!