Team Spirit is breaking ML

[pEst410]

I finally got round to playing the game since the patch, started a new ML in Top Player, 9 minute matches, -1 speed, manual shooting.

I'll just say that as I waited for the patch I played half a season in League mode, 10 minute matches. There's no Team Spirit in League mode. By the end of that half season my scores were only very slightly higher than normal, so I reduced now to 9, but they were ok, nothing too shocking. It was fun and realistic-ish.

Now in ML: playing with only a couple of players that add a couple of OVR points each, no big deal. First 2 or 3 games are ok, but then as my Team Spirit gets in the 90s and it seems almost all other teams in my league remain in the 70s, I start getting ridiculous scores, like finishing 1st half already 4 or 5-0 and so on.

If I change my tactics to bring my Team Spirit down to the 70s, that stops and it's either no goals till the end or maybe I take 1...

It's too much. I thought when they said they'd change how GK is affected by Team Spirit this would be it, but no (btw, also can't tell any difference in GK improvement and fouls being given, seems the same to me as before)...

So as before, I'll have to go up to Superstar and put up with the scripting to get realistic scores :erm:

 

[PES94]

Maybe you didn't even update the game

 

[pEst410]

Maybe you didn't even update the game

Er it downloaded and says it installed 1.04, although in game it says 1.03 and data pack 2.0, which I think is correct...

 

[matthewjohn85]

I was starting to find superstar on manual too easy apart from playing vs madrid but after 20+ games the reverse fixtures are really tough as now all teams have 95+ ts and its now so much harder with no space to just run into i just hope com ts remains high into next season and dont reset in the off period.

 

[Parkinfed]

I was starting to find superstar on manual too easy apart from playing vs madrid but after 20+ games the reverse fixtures are really tough as now all teams have 95+ ts and its now so much harder with no space to just run into i just hope com ts remains high into next season and dont reset in the off period.

Whenever teams change manager their team spirit can fall depending on the new manager's tactics. In my save, Juventus went from 99 TS to ~65 because they changed mangers. Now at the end of the season their team spirit is ~85 and I am sure by the end of the next season they'll be 99. I had some easy games against them but I can see my team's ass getting whooped once they 'Gel'.

PS I was thinking of the 'experiment' you (and your roommate) were doing when I saw the myClub Player slot 50% discount last week. Cheers Bro.

 

[pEst410]

TS remains into next season if you stay at the club.

 

[matthewjohn85]

I still play online as i have a decent squad with pogba as my latest adition bit i dont bother farming anymore just play now . And i mean hope the com ts remains the next season as it is too easy playing every team with anything less than 88.

 

[Parkinfed]

It appears I seemed to have caused some confusion. The team spirit of your and for that matter all the other teams carries forward from season to season. The exception being a case where a COM controlled team changes managers. The example of Juventus I gave above, I was playing as Ternana Calcio and it was Juventus whose team spirit dropped because of the appointment of a different manager and, this happened in season 4. Throughout the first three seasons their team spirit was 99. They went from playing a 3-5-2 formation to a 4-5-1 that is a real pain in the behind to beat.

 

[pEst410]

That's all true. I'll just add in regards to my original post that in superstar, ML is great post-patch and I finished a whole season without experiencing any obvious scripting, massive improvement.

 

[SportGameFan]

(Deleted my post-patch placebo thoughts... I'm sick of those stupid CPU goals that go into the bottom-corners of the net!)

 

[scottw2307]

Just started my Master League in Seria B as Sampdoria. Playing on manual passing and shooting, top player level.
It seems easy to play against the computer teams , i always had a hard challenge just on professional level in other PESs, they give you space to run int and are easier to tackle and win ball back and not so in your face ontop of you . However the manual settings are making it difficult for me to score so im played 4 lost3 won 1. My team spirit keeps goin up and is now at 88, seems most teams i play its in the 60s , is this normal, will the AI be tougher if its Team spirit goes up and mines goes down. Just now i think i would be thrashing the computer if i was playing on assisted passing and basic shooting, im creating loads of chances every game.
Its such an unbalanced game theres so much going on to influence the game its too hit and miss wether its good or crap, Skill level, Team spirit , Manual/assisted passing-shooting x dodgy goalkeepers.
I think theres a cracking game in there somewhere , lovely animations, manual passing feels so right its perfect, shooting could be good given a tweak.

 

[pEst410]

I think theres a cracking game in there somewhere , lovely animations, manual passing feels so right its perfect, shooting could be good given a tweak.

I was like you, feeling there was a good game in there somewhere and trying to find what worked for me, I found it after my OP here with Superstar, everything else as I described. Had 2 awesome seasons, starting the third tonight...

You have to play around with difficulty, game length, speed and manual vs auto settings and tactics+formations until you find what works for you. I suggest you do a few trials in League mode (3 to 5 matches each time) because that way Team Spirit is not a factor. That will give you an idea of how you'll perform when your Team Spirit stabilises. If you trial stuff on the first matches in ML you'll think nothing is working or the game is too hard, and if you adjust your settings for that, when Team Spirit stabilises the game will be too easy and you'll be mauling every team!

 

[who]

Good thing I found this thread, because I am experiencing similar problems when AI is too soft, lazy, barely moving with low team spirit teams. Even on Super Star they become like professional level sides at most. At some point it feels like cheating, because you know that you wont have to try and just go straight through opponents, score goals and thats all. It also gives that feeling of unbalanced and not stable game. Afcorse, I understand the main idea of team spirit and why it varies that much, something similar happens in real life as well, but for my taste and given this video game, it just becomes too easy and gives unpleasant factor of broken/unbalanced game. Now I managed to get used to it a bit. Im not so agressive against lower spirit teams, I try not to exploit them. I am seriously considering manual passing and some kind of semi assisted shooting to make it more even against these sides, but then I know I`ll get trashed by normal ones who play the same as in league/exhibition mode with normal team spirit.

 

[pEst410]

[MENTION=227170]who[/MENTION], try manual shooting but keep passing assist at the lowest level, not manual. That's how I play, I find it's a good balance between the default settings (too easy) and using manual passing (too hard). I love manual shooting btw, the good GKs really shine and it's a real challenge to score against them. It's more satisfying to score overall.

 

[who]

Thanks, I will try that.

 

[scottw2307]

[MENTION=227170]who[/MENTION], try manual shooting but keep passing assist at the lowest level, not manual. That's how I play, I find it's a good balance between the default settings (too easy) and using manual passing (too hard). I love manual shooting btw, the good GKs really shine and it's a real challenge to score against them. It's more satisfying to score overall.

I find the manual shooting far harder than manual passing. Cant find any manual shooting tutorials anywhere, theres not even a n instruction booklet with the game these days, annoying. Do you have to point the left stick towards the goal after you press the shoot button and hold it in that direction .
I keep losing games in ML but my team spirit is up to 90, other teams are all in 60s, do they go up as the season goes on .

 

[pEst410]

What do you mean, there's a manual, here: http://www.konami.jp/we/2016/online/manual/ps4/en-us-a/top.html

Manual shooting is pretty much the same as basic except you really have to aim between the posts and the ball pretty much goes where you point it.

In basic shooting there's only 3 general directions, left, centre and right, and the ball goes to one of those and there's some tolerance, if you aim to the sides the ball might still go to goal (if player stats are good for example).

So that's it. Manual shooting: aim where you want it to go between the posts, gauge your strength well and Bob's your uncle.

Some people complain headers are harder and so is finesse shot, maybe, I haven't quite figured out headers yet though I've scored some, while others have gone nothing like I expected. As for finesse, I pretty much don't need it anymore...

 

[scottw2307]

Update
Bottom of Seria B . I have only scored 5 league gouals in 13 matches.
Manual shooting is just way too hard, its spoiling it now. I can hit shots fairly well if your infront of goal but cutting in from an angle is near impossible , its either a shot straight across the pitch outside the near post.
The Team Spirit thing is weird as well , mostly im in the 90s but i tried to change my formation to a straight 4-4-2 and it dropped down to 65, WHAT?
I tried a game like that and i got beat 5-1 by Ascoli, my Keeper never made a save , just let everything go in low, the same cheap computer Goals over and over.
Another thing is i think through ball is very hard nearly useless in this version. The AI seem to always have 6 men back in defence almost impossible to break down through the middle.
I tried putting the passing/shooting marker guide on but nothing appears only a yellow circle when you try through ball.

 

[pEst410]

Interesting, I found manual shooting surprisingly easy to adapt to. Yes, it's harder the less frontal you are to goal but that only makes it more realistic. It's also harder to shoot from afar, while it's too easy with basic shooting. I'm getting used to shooting from a tight angle and starting to miss less that way.

Your team spirit went down because when you changed formations, your players changed to positions they're not used to (e. g. a CF became an AMF or a CMF became a DMF).

When you change tactics it also affects team spirit (for example, if you use all out defence and your players are used to that but then you change to frontline pressure, team spirit will go down, but if you bring in players with 3 bars in frontline pressure in their player stats it will go up again).

 

[scottw2307]

I think the analogue sticks are very sensitive and shooting from an angle almost imposible to get on target if you aint facing directly straight at goal, the slightest nudge will put your shot way off target .
I cant get the target guide up at all, i turned it on in match settings but nothing happens , only a yellow circle appears when i try through pass. I think a shooting arrow might give me a happy medium of shooting difficulty.