The future of Goalkeeping in PES

[GoonerJosh80]

Ever since I have been playing PES there has been one element that has never been consistant and that is the goalkeepers performance.

I used to play in goal myself as a youngster and used to love watching how different keepers performed such as Grobblelaar, Seaman, Schmiechel and Ilgner.

I think Konami should be looking to add a bit more individuality in the keepers as a good goalkeeper can win you games where as a bad one can cost you.

I am going to break it down into two main areas

Stats
Animations


Stats

The stats for goakeepers could be alot more varied and relevant like they are for the outfield players. Stats more like thos one Football Manager would makes sense. for example

Agility = How nimble they are at getting across the goal or to shots.

Reflexes = How quickly they react.

Handling = How well they hold the ball.

Ariel Ability = How well they deal with corsses.

Distribution = How accuratley the kick and throw.

Distribution skill = How skilled they are a varying their kicks i.e high trojectory, slow speed or low trajectory faster speed.

Distribution Speed = How quickly their kicks and throws take to reach players.

One on ones = How well the keepers does in one on ones

Aggression = The more aggressive the quicker the goalkeeper comes of his line(maybe aggression is the wrong word )

I think stats along this line would be better suited and then with the card system Konami could come up with appropriate themed cards.

Animations

The Goalkeepers a far too generic on PES they all move the same and they all act the same apart from suitble differances. GOALKEEPRS ARE DIFFERENT!!

Firstly the way they dive, due to agility, weight & height you'll notice some goalkeepers can get higher of the ground than others

David James although big, imposing and blessed with excellent relfexs does not seem to have as much agility/spring as some one like Schmiechel

PES does not alway get it right in terms of animations for Keepers for instance they always dive in this manner below for freekicks

Unfortunately I can not find a pictue of PES keepers ding this but in 2009 it is common that if you beat the keeper with a long ranger or a powerful freekick. They will dive with the upper arm outstretched as opposed to the lower are when the ball is closer.

This is used too frequently as keepers only tend to do this in real life for shots in the upper areas of the goal if they are stretching and its their closest hand.

but this is where PES gets it wrong as most of the time the upper hand is not always the closest.

It would be better to see and animation more like this

or for shots higher in the goal

When saving penalties it is very rare to see a keeper save with one hand although it does happen but more often than not it's a two handed save such as

There are other little touches that Konami could add such as when a keeper pulls of a fnatastic stop firtsly the crowd react, secondly the player may react to going close and thirdly the goalkeeper doing this

you could maybe have the players patting him on the back and reacting if it's a penalty save during play.

Keepers also have different one on one stances which can make them harder to beat, this could almost be like a running or free kick style for a keeper.

examples below

Shay given

Schmiechel's I can't find a photo of but he was alsways big and wide stance and as he closed down the stiker his was ofetn a handball goalkeeping stance making him hard to beat.

Different types of throwing styles as well would add to the individualtity such as David James' javalin type throw or Schmiechel's massive throw.

Anyway if you think it's suitable move it to the Konami official feedback page.

 

[shaun7]

Overall you are right about pes keepers. They need to move to the next level.

 

[red]

It would be good to have the various animations and styles, however I would be happy if they could actually be more inteligent, and even learn during the game, i.e. if a player goes for the same type of goal every time (near post) that they adjust and would cover that area better.

 

[GoonerJosh80]

It would be good to have the various animations and styles, however I would be happy if they could actually be more inteligent, and even learn during the game, i.e. if a player goes for the same type of goal every time (near post) that they adjust and would cover that area better.

I think you arte right the AI with the keepers should be that they learn or that could be more down to how good they are. For example someone like Buffon will have better postioning than someone like Stpehen Bywater(Only example I could think of) Maybe the better goalkeepers AI would make them learn better and be less prone to mistakes.

 

[Suv]

You certainly make some fair points there and overall i definitely think the GK's have needed an overhaul for a long time. I think they need their own stat styling for a start...the sort of stuff you mentioned really. Also their animations need some improvement and some added variation such as diving across the floor for one....id like to see that look alot more natural and varied for a start. Obviously the AI needs to be improved but that goes without saying really. Catching the ball seems to be almost alien to any GK on PES unless you chip it straight into his hands and that is very unrealistic as keepers catch the ball quite often in various situations. I would also like to see the fairly rare injuries that keepers can get after a bad landing or a collision. Also an animation for them having a possible injury and then shaking it off and carrying on. That would be a great addition to the realism imo. At this point in time i cannot remember ever seeing a GK get injured in PES from anything other than a hardcore slide just like any other player in the field and even that is very very rare because GK's are rarely in a situation where they have a sliding tackle coming their way. Overall i think the main point is that GK's definitely need their individuality as players in that position.

 

[red]

Did we mention being able to adjust the power and angle on goal kicks, that single player pass option needs changing real soon!

 

[Suv]

Did we mention being able to adjust the power and angle on goal kicks, that single player pass option needs changing real soon!

I agree red. One thing that also constantly annoys me regarding goal kicks is that there's very little choice when wanting to go long and i usually find it doesnt even take any notice of where im actually wanting it to go regardless of how good a GK is at the long pass stat wise.

 

[vdsf1]

Ever since I have been playing PES there has been one element that has never been consistant and that is the goalkeepers performance.

I used to play in goal myself as a youngster and used to love watching how different keepers performed such as Grobblelaar, Seaman, Schmiechel and Ilgner.

I think Konami should be looking to add a bit more individuality in the keepers as a good goalkeeper can win you games where as a bad one can cost you.

I am going to break it down into two main areas

Stats
Animations


Stats

The stats for goakeepers could be alot more varied and relevant like they are for the outfield players. Stats more like thos one Football Manager would makes sense. for example

Agility = How nimble they are at getting across the goal or to shots.

Reflexes = How quickly they react.

Handling = How well they hold the ball.

Ariel Ability = How well they deal with corsses.

Distribution = How accuratley the kick and throw.

Distribution skill = How skilled they are a varying their kicks i.e high trojectory, slow speed or low trajectory faster speed.

Distribution Speed = How quickly their kicks and throws take to reach players.

One on ones = How well the keepers does in one on ones

Aggression = The more aggressive the quicker the goalkeeper comes of his line(maybe aggression is the wrong word )

I think stats along this line would be better suited and then with the card system Konami could come up with appropriate themed cards.

Animations

The Goalkeepers a far too generic on PES they all move the same and they all act the same apart from suitble differances. GOALKEEPRS ARE DIFFERENT!!

Firstly the way they dive, due to agility, weight & height you'll notice some goalkeepers can get higher of the ground than others

David James although big, imposing and blessed with excellent relfexs does not seem to have as much agility/spring as some one like Schmiechel

PES does not alway get it right in terms of animations for Keepers for instance they always dive in this manner below for freekicks

Unfortunately I can not find a pictue of PES keepers ding this but in 2009 it is common that if you beat the keeper with a long ranger or a powerful freekick. They will dive with the upper arm outstretched as opposed to the lower are when the ball is closer.

This is used too frequently as keepers only tend to do this in real life for shots in the upper areas of the goal if they are stretching and its their closest hand.

but this is where PES gets it wrong as most of the time the upper hand is not always the closest.

It would be better to see and animation more like this

or for shots higher in the goal

When saving penalties it is very rare to see a keeper save with one hand although it does happen but more often than not it's a two handed save such as

There are other little touches that Konami could add such as when a keeper pulls of a fnatastic stop firtsly the crowd react, secondly the player may react to going close and thirdly the goalkeeper doing this

you could maybe have the players patting him on the back and reacting if it's a penalty save during play.

Keepers also have different one on one stances which can make them harder to beat, this could almost be like a running or free kick style for a keeper.

examples below

Shay given

Schmiechel's I can't find a photo of but he was alsways big and wide stance and as he closed down the stiker his was ofetn a handball goalkeeping stance making him hard to beat.

Different types of throwing styles as well would add to the individualtity such as David James' javalin type throw or Schmiechel's massive throw.

Anyway if you think it's suitable move it to the Konami official feedback page.

i totally stand behind you mate,i've been goalkeeper myself to
and for me it's also very imported that the goalkeepers
are/have a important contribution to the game,so
where will i start

-that you must also control the ball with the goalkeeper by taking
the right position behind the ball and by handle the ball on the right way
by yourself

-inproved goalkeepers from pes 4(not pes 2009)
with the AI from iss deluxe

 

[svrmaster]

they sure need to update them