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The long (air) through ball problem

Stardusted

Registered User
As I have stated again during the demo days, there is a really annoying problem while trying to pull a long through pass. The problems seem to occur when the players pass the middle of the field and head towards the oppositions penalty area, obviously intending to score :p.

To be exact, and to avoid the "noob you suck at pes5 so stop posting" plague that I noticed lately here (as if when someone comments on negative aspects of his favorite game does not want to see it improved, but does it out of some hidden dark anti-pes motives) I ll describe some situations so you can try to re-create them in-game to notice how annoying it can be.

Starting with simple stuff, training mode. You have one attacker running near the left wing and another one lower down closing to the penalty spot. Easy situation, you can press the Triangle (through pass) and the ball will go slightly ahead of your second attacker etc etc. But instead you decide to make the through ball and also lift it off the ground, so the player could shoot it while middle-air or something like that. You press L1+Triangle. You notice the "pass" being something like a "shoot" that goes to the keeper's hands or even beyond the posts.

Now, why oh why why would any player, even the worst player in the world, do that ? You dont press shoot, you are trying to pass, and the results are all wrong. You dont even need skills to make a pass like that.

Try the same not in training, but during a match. Say you are on the counter attack, two attackers for you or even three and one defender who is in a clear can't-do-anything position. You through-pass the ball to another attacker while closing to the oppositions penalty area (not closing too much, you are still outside of the box), and it goes fine. You press the L1+through pass to give a high through pass to your team-mate and guess what happens.

The long or high or air or how you want to call them through passes are ridiculusly bad when you pass the middle by some meters, at the point of being unusable. That greatly reduces the possibilities of some nice goals or playing styles.

I thought in the final version it was going to be fixed, but it is sadly still there. And because I dont like to make posts for making posts, I would love to read your oppinions. Who knows maybe I m doing something wrong or maybe I m missing some new controls etc etc.

EDIT : Clarification : The things I describe happen all the time, it aint like "not all passes are perfect" situations. Also in pes4 these problems were not there.
 

fluke88

Registered User
I can agree with you a bit. Out of 5 of them balls i got one to a player but you need to get the player right the time the weight alot of things on one pass maybe thats why its harder.
 

David P

Registered User
It's made me think more about where im passing and when.I think if you bide your time and wait for the right oportunity i.e, When you have had a good spell of possession or the com A.I slows a little thats when the execution of the magic happenens.

Please dont get me wrong im not trying to tell you by any means on how to play i just fell the more possession and the more i think about the build up play instead of those visions of turn him and shoot.It's when you see the gaps when you strike.

;) My opinion is put more thought into your tactics and your build up play , you will be greatly rewarded:D
 

fluke88

Registered User
I think with the gameplay with pro 5 you need to think an awful lot more which is only better and makes the game harder and more realistic.
 

David P

Registered User
Bob 05 said:
I think with the gameplay with pro 5 you need to think an awful lot more which is only better and makes the game harder and more realistic.

My point exactly mate enjoy what weve got for now thats what i say , as you never know where youll be in time to come so ENJOY!:D

Thanks sebass and the team ;)
 

This-is-our-time

Registered User
Just tap triangle and it won't go through to the keeper, I was having same problem, between a slight tap and using R2 to control the attackers run I can get it to work, sometimes
 

Stardusted

Registered User
First of all, I appreciate greatly your responses, and I totally respect them. But, while i agree with people who said that you need to think to plan carefully to work your tactics etc etc, what I describe has nothing to do with that.

Two attackers no defenders running towards the oppositions nets, normal pass works fine, normal through pass works fine, high through pass (L1+Triangle) will send it to the keeper or generally kick it abnormally hard and long ahead. The situation is a no-brainer, you don't need to plan anything you have all the open space you can possibly wish for in any classic oppurtunity for a goal and both of your players are not guarded. Yet you can pass the ball slightly ahead in the open space when not lifted off the ground, but when you try to add some height just a little bit to it... I'm no football wizard and I don't like to praise my skills even though I do play real life football.

What I do know for sure though is that such passes are easily made in schoolyards by 10 year old boys.
 

sasuke12

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isnt the inaccurate air long pass also an improvement to meet realism? How many times in a match can you see a long ball that accurate, to point which a running forward will be able to one on one the goalie and score?

to be honest, it hardly happens, players got to give something very special in terms of team play to counter with long ball
 

snipergotya

Registered User
The passes remind me of real football.

How many times during a game do you see simple balls over the top go to the keeper.

I use to love making ball over the top work catch it in the air n slam it home. Which i have yet to do in PES5 :) but it just reminds me of real life balls over the top generally don't work 90% of the time.

unlike PES4 they worked nearly all the time thats how i scored most of my goals lol and shots from outside.

you'll get use to the balls over the top. i've onli got use to the speed at weekend now it don't seem slower :)

Sorry about the bad spelling(which there should be somewhere if not i must be lucky)
 

Stardusted

Registered User
How often can't two attackers unguarded not exchange a high pass in the open space when the only thing that is between them are a couple meters of playing field? Maybe they just see the opposition's keeper ahead and think he could have better chances of scoring?...
 

fluke88

Registered User
Just fuck that whole in the air pass when unmarked with 2 strikers just do somethin else like a rabona or somethin if you cant do it. Or just like the old sayin practice practice and practice some more you may get it in the end mate.
 

Stardusted

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Since the name of the game is imagination, I am pointing out that the whole matter limits our choices, as for practise well if it aint clear by now that it is not a matter of practise...

And for the case I describe, it is only an example of the simplest of cases when the prob occurs. There are many many more.
 

This-is-our-time

Registered User
Stardusted, when you hit that through ball it will go through to the keeper most of the time, which is realistic in my mind. However if you immediately switch player and then try and run him towards the pass, your attacker will sometimes make it. Ive scored a few looped headers and little flicks this way but they were all 1st touch.
 

Usul

Registered User
You're damn right, stardust. My lower jaw dropped the moment i tried my first high thru ball. Konami really piss me off.
 

David P

Registered User
Stardusted said:
First of all, I appreciate greatly your responses, and I totally respect them. But, while i agree with people who said that you need to think to plan carefully to work your tactics etc etc, what I describe has nothing to do with that.
What I do know for sure though is that such passes are easily made in schoolyards by 10 year old boys.

Ok you must be doing something wrong then , im not trying to tell you how to play but take this into consideration.

Try putting the long pass or lob over the defender at a slight angle i.e
slightly turn the player in possession so the ball is travelling more diagonaly it usually works for me iv'e scored at least 4 goals from lofted passes not much i know and i do fully agree they have reduced the accuracy of long passes , but give it more time :D
 

David P

Registered User
Bob 05 said:
Just fuck that whole in the air pass when unmarked with 2 strikers just do somethin else like a rabona or somethin if you cant do it. Or just like the old sayin practice practice and practice some more you may get it in the end mate.

Some nice words mate i agree stop complaining and start practising;)
 

David P

Registered User
dean7879 said:
through balls are fucked up on this

:eek:hmy: As i have stated before stop complaining and start practising!

when attacking try to pass the ball high diagonally rather than straight on;)
 
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