They have destroyed a footballing Giant!

[Jimbob738]

Ok before i am Judged or criticsed lets get 1 thing straight i have been a Konami man since ISS on the 64 but this year has tipped me over the edge, poor graphics on the players thought i was playing resident evil they all looked like they had cancer or something, the shocking and i mean shocking Masters League interface (it was like that shocking pro evo management game all over again) and finally the Running bug and annoyone who keeps saying they stepped it up a gear with the game play speed is taking out there Anus!

come one Konami what have you been doing for the past year you have well and truely destroyed pro i have been a long and loyal fan and rejected fifa in every way i used to actually enjoy finding a good option file and editing the players but you have gone too far now.

i bought PES on the 15th from argos tried on release date but apparently Sainsburys delivery men got lost and the hole of the nottingham branch's got two copies each i ran around all weekend so i could use my nectar points, finally got it and i could of snapped it in half that running bug is just pathetic did Konami not test this shizzle?
so this morning i had to go to game a trade it in for the dreaded rival Konami what have you done to me im gutted! + i lost money i couldnt go back to argos and say eeerm its rubbish i wanna swap, so if this is how the long life fans get fobbed off then you can stick the future installments where the sun dont shine.

this almost feels like a personal dig all the stick i have taken since last year from my mates for not switching and then this happens, its knocked me about. all the fancy marketing in the world cant save you now konami. sorry if anyone is offended by what i say but its fact!:crymore::angry::realmad: Fifa

 

[skjblades]

Disagree.....

 

[Jimbob738]

Well i think Konami have taken a liberty releasing this junk when they must have known about the running bug and thought they would worry about a solution once people like me have parted with hard earned cash, i think thats disgraceful but if you condone that behaviour then you deserve to get fleeced i suppose.

 

[Jimbob738]

what is it with these people who buy these games out of pure blind loyalty, its supposed to be a competative market there's reems of choice yet you bend over and take one for the Sake of this fallen brand, you want your head looking at!

you do realise all the waiting you do for another patch that fifa 13 will be on the shelves when its sorted!

take a stand so they go back and look at the PS2 versions and emulate these classics.

 

[Jimbob738]

The silence says it all.

i am not going to keep harping on all i will say is got the sworn enemy out the box last night put it on started a career with Nottingham Forest and all i could think was why the hell had i stuck to pro for so long this blows it out the water in every way Graphics, Realistic Gameplay, Licensing, Commentry. End of!

 

[geeeeee]

Please close this thread

 

[DIECI]

PES 2012 is a great game, I don't understand all the hate and complaining really. Yes it has some issues but what game doesnt? Im talking PS3 version, I don't know how the Xbox one is but from the running bug comment I'm assuming you have an Xbox. In anycase, great game, playing the hell out of it and with the option file and chants I have makes it an immense experience!

Enjoy FIFA, hope its enjoyable for you

 

[g221911g]

PES 2012 is a great game, I don't understand all the hate and complaining really. Yes it has some issues but what game doesnt? Im talking PS3 version, I don't know how the Xbox one is but from the running bug comment I'm assuming you have an Xbox. In anycase, great game, playing the hell out of it and with the option file and chants I have makes it an immense experience!

Enjoy FIFA, hope its enjoyable for you

With all due respect DIECI, this game is an awful, primitive mess.

Let me preface this by saying: I'm not saying FIFA is better, because I haven't tried it. Also, this game can be fun, but it is nowhere near realistic or accurate.

I should also say, I really wanted to like this game. And I was hoping things would be better.

It's so much on rails, you can predict whenever a goal is coming an entire two minutes before it happens. You will have absolutely no control of anything until said opportunity is gained.

I've said it a hundred times before, but there is no control/freedom in this game at all. Even the man with the cursor is subject to konami bullshit animation at every whim. I'm sprinting; all of a sudden I stop for absolutely no reason except to let the other guy pressing the button harder through. The amount of times my player does something I didn't do is comical.

It's a disgrace. People just kick the ball straight forward and the game morphs multiple people out of the way to complete the pass. Over and over again. Until they run straight through you and shoot. Of course every rebound and loose ball is konami controlled so that you don't have a chance even when defending well.

Of course defending itself is a big joke. You can make the same tackle by pressing X, L2, R2, or NOTHING!! How is this possible?? Because it's not determined by you anyway...

This game is about holding down the circle button and watching forwards press faster than the ball can be kicked for 90 minutes. Each time turning and sprinting off to goal after the ball is won.

Defenders don't defend so much as zoom in like a laser to the predetermined spot. Often making tackles while facing the other direction. So robotic and unrealistic looking/feeling.

konami DICTATES EVERYTHING. Even the coaching settings mean absolutely nothing when konami wants the other team to score. I'm playing all out defense in the 86th min. yet my defensive line is up in front of the halfway line so the hack i'm playing doesn't even have to look or aim.

It's always one team flying around the park and the other team hiding behind the first team.

The special controls button is the dumbest gimmick in a sports game. It's seriously the get-out-of-jail-free-card.

Q:What's the difference between stumbling at every slight touch and beasting 3-4 men at a time??

A:Special controls button. Physics are out the window, now it's just "hold this button for super strength!" Holding this button also makes the opponents retarded zombies who have no idea whats going on......UNLESS you hold it too!

Crossing.....You can tell whoever programmed this game, watches a lot of unrealistic anime bullshit because that's the only thing that the crossing system in this game bears a resemblance to.

The frosting on this turd is that they tried to invent confusing gimmicks to give the appearance of depth, when in reality none of these new "controls" mean anything (with the exception of "special controls" of course). The game's auto-animations determine all of the movements of you and your opponent.

At the end of the day, I think people say they like it because it looks like what they see on TV. However it plays nothing like that, and feels like a PS2 game....so primitive and basic.

The fundamental flaws of the game have not been addressed in years. The developers are incompetent and have nothing new to offer. The bleeding will continue.

Just my opinion....

 

[Soccer_Chick]

pes 2012 is the best so far (only been playing it since 2008) However, the 1.01 patch crashes the game and their tech support has been very unhlpeful. After a a few days waiting fr teh response, they send me the solution ... re install!!!! DUH! I have done that already 10 times!! If reading this konami, please fix the crashing issuein 1.01

 

[Dundon's]

pes 2012 is the best so far (only been playing it since 2008)

There you go. That was the year they released the Titanic.

 

[Amateur]

Q:What's the difference between stumbling at every slight touch and beasting 3-4 men at a time??

A:Special controls button. Physics are out the window, now it's just "hold this button for super strength!" Holding this button also makes the opponents retarded zombies who have no idea whats going on......UNLESS you hold it too!

At the end of the day, I think people say they like it because it looks like what they see on TV. However it plays nothing like that, and feels like a PS2 game....so primitive and basic.

The fundamental flaws of the game have not been addressed in years. The developers are incompetent and have nothing new to offer. The bleeding will continue.

Just my opinion....

Completely agree, I would not be surprised if in year 2013 Konami and EA Sports introduce a new gimmick called "breathing button" -allow me to explain- if you forget to press it, the player runs out of air and thus slows down, allowing the opponent to get away; at the same time, if you press it too quickly, it might leave you without air when you actually need more air; therefore, you have to master the art of breathing air at the precise moment.

Football Sims have become just that; complicated buttons to create the illusion of depth and substance, when in fact you are just tapping a lot of different buttons without actually thinking about what you are actually doing; does it make any sense that I need to press the R2 button just so the defender moves like a proper defender? No it doesn't make sense, the computer should press the R2 button automatically whenever the ball carrier is close enough for you (you: meaning the defender) to man mark him; does it make sense that I need to press the (x) button in order to pressure the defender? No it doesn't make sense, because the R1 button could easily function as both the sprint button and the pressure button; the list of completely useless and insubstantial buttons is a long one, destroying every facet of the game.

Does it make sense that the direction of movement through space without the ball and the direction of the standing tackle, are determined by the very same button? No it does not make sense, because the game/computer cannot distinguish the difference between movement through space and body positioning, and since body positioning is essential when man marking the ball carrier, it means that the outcome of the situation will be determined by statistics and not by your actual ability as a gamer.

Bottom line: fully agree with you, PES12 is a get-out-of-jail game, fixes non of the fundamental flaws, and merely disguises the fundamental flaws by adding more and more cheap gimmicks; and nothing could be truer, (like FIFA12) people say they like it because it resembles what they see on TV, however, fundamentally, essentially, it is much closer to a basketball game played on a football pitch, than it is to being an actual football simulation.

At the end of the day, I still think that PES12 (same as FIFA12) is fun for a laugh; but I'm still waiting for the serious footy sim, which I don't expect to be produced by neither Konami nor EA Sports.

 

[Pokervriend]

At the end of the day, I still think that PES12 (same as FIFA12) is fun for a laugh; but I'm still waiting for the serious footy sim, which I don't expect to be produced by neither Konami nor EA Sports.

For me (and a lot of other players) realism is not so important. Playing a soccer game will never ever resemble a real soccer match. It would be utterly boring imo. I'm happy with PES 12. I play it online all the time and beside the fact it's not a perfect game, it is very entertaining (for me..). And that is actually all what I want from a game. I remember playing PES 4. It was one of the best footies I played, but far from realistic. The game had some bugs and errors, but that does not matter if it gives you an unforgettable experience. I played that game against my friends for so many hours, and it never got bored. Well, PES 12 doesnt give me that vibe jet, but I do think the game is very good ad enjoyable.

 

[stajin]

Have to agree. Each PES game has been adding and adding to a broken idea.
That broken idea is that rather than your actual input *always* controlling the game, that sometimes KONAMI will take control or 'tweak' things;

Why can't I run if thier goalkeeper has the ball? How can I defend / intercept if you're deliberately handicapping me?

How come my 10 point blank range shots are saved like superman has gloves on but thier 35 yard shot goes past my keeper like he's dropped into a coma?

Why can thier lowliest player get past 3 defenders (who all gravitate to his back instead of going in front when called) but your players never could?

Why is it I can be held, when through on goal, to the point of stumbling but no foul/penalty? Never seen one given.

Do KONAMI not understand the idea of obstruction? When that defender stands in your way AND STAYS THERE, that's obstruction. Fair enough, it's not always called in real life, but can anyone here remember a foul given? Didn't think so.

When my CB (under AI, say I'm on the wing) is in the D and thier forward is near him, they will actively move out of his way, I've seen them literally run to the other side of them as the pass to them comes in and THEN I get control.

That's just a few of the things I can think of the top of my head.
This game, when it works properly, is the best football game out.
Unfortunately, there is just so much broken in this game that it becomes an attempt at playing around the bugs though seeing as they haven't been fixed in years I'm thinking that this is actually meant to be 'gameplay'.

I think that's your problem, right there. We want to be able to play OUR way, not YOUR way.

 

[Pokervriend]

Speak for yourself please

 

[stajin]

If you like 'football on rails' that's up to you, personally I want to play the game, not have the game play for me.

 

[Amateur]

For me (and a lot of other players) realism is not so important. Playing a soccer game will never ever resemble a real soccer match. It would be utterly boring imo. I'm happy with PES 12. I play it online all the time and beside the fact it's not a perfect game, it is very entertaining (for me..). And that is actually all what I want from a game. I remember playing PES 4. It was one of the best footies I played, but far from realistic. The game had some bugs and errors, but that does not matter if it gives you an unforgettable experience. I played that game against my friends for so many hours, and it never got bored. Well, PES 12 doesnt give me that vibe jet, but I do think the game is very good ad enjoyable.

Well that's because you dismiss things that have never been done, because somehow, something you have never experienced in your life: would be utterly boring.

Yeah, I think you are utterly boring yourself, as well as utterly closed minded; PES12 is not a great video game, simply because the game is mostly determined by statistics, and video games are supposed to be determined by your ability as a gamer, not by some statistics that work in accordance to the random whims of a computer, with no real substance nor consistency at the heart of everything.

Realism is very important, it's got little to do with how it looks, yet everything to do with the thinking that goes into every button that must be pressed; PES12 and FIFA12 resemble football from the visual respect, but substantially these video games are very far away from Football.

Unlike you, I do not dismiss things that I have never experienced, and I also expect much more from a video game: it's called common sense; if you used it yourself a bit more instead of merely dismissing things that you have never experienced, you would know why the football genre still has a lot to offer; PES12 essentially is a D-PAD video game, which means that the full conversion to ANALOG is yet to be completed, which means that PES12 essentially is a PS2 video game with glittery paint on it....

If a PS2 video game is all you want (and expect) from a video game in year 2012, then you definitely have very low expectations.

For me (and a lot of other players) realism is not so important. Playing a soccer game will never ever resemble a real soccer match. It would be utterly boring imo.

Yeah, because someone like you, who cannot even distinguish the obvious difference between D-PAD and ANALOG, would know (having never actually experienced anything like it) that playing a serious footy sim would be utterly boring iyo? Seriously, it's cool that you have an opinion, but it's stupid that you are dismissing things that you have never experienced because in your opinion PES12 offers everything you could ever desire (and expect) from a footy video game.

Speak for yourself please

That's the idea of expressing your opinion on a forum: speaking for yourself.

 

[Pokervriend]

It's fine with me that you expect much more from this game, especially more realism. By that, I thought you meant it had to resemble more to a real soccer match. But most of the soccermatches are very boring to watch for 90 minutes. I rather have a more arcadish footy that a 'close-to-real-football-game-'. All I do with PES is play it online and play it with friends. All I want is that the game keeps on being entertaining and suprising.

You find me 'stupid for dismissing things that I have never experienced because in my opinion PES12 offers everything I could ever desire (and expect) from a footy video game.' There is no need to patronize me for being happy with what I have. I don't find the game perfect nor do I think PES 12 is flawless. But is does what I bought it for, it gives me a great time when I'm playing it. And I am not dismissing things I never experienced, it's just that I am not looking for the sort of footy you describe. I'm not saying your ideas suck, i'm just saying I'd rather have a game like PES/FIFA instead. That does not make me (or all other players who like the game) stupid, utterly boring, nor do we lack common sense. We just have a different opinion about how a footy should be.

And about PES actually being a PS2 game. I don't really care. And no, I do not have low expectations. I used to play Socom II on the PS2. If they would rerelease that game, just increasing the graphics, I'd buy it straight away. COD, Batllefield or the later Socoms, none of them ever gave me the pleasure Socom II did.

 

[Billy Minof]

There you go. That was the year they released the Titanic.

:laugh:

He missed the greatest years. :crymore:

 

[Amateur]

It's fine with me that you expect much more from this game, especially more realism. By that, I thought you meant it had to resemble more to a real soccer match. But most of the soccermatches are very boring to watch for 90 minutes. I rather have a more arcadish footy that a 'close-to-real-football-game-'. All I do with PES is play it online and play it with friends. All I want is that the game keeps on being entertaining and suprising.

You find me 'stupid for dismissing things that I have never experienced because in my opinion PES12 offers everything I could ever desire (and expect) from a footy video game.' There is no need to patronize me for being happy with what I have. I don't find the game perfect nor do I think PES 12 is flawless. But is does what I bought it for, it gives me a great time when I'm playing it. And I am not dismissing things I never experienced, it's just that I am not looking for the sort of footy you describe. I'm not saying your ideas suck, i'm just saying I'd rather have a game like PES/FIFA instead. That does not make me (or all other players who like the game) stupid, utterly boring, nor do we lack common sense. We just have a different opinion about how a footy should be.

And about PES actually being a PS2 game. I don't really care. And no, I do not have low expectations. I used to play Socom II on the PS2. If they would rerelease that game, just increasing the graphics, I'd buy it straight away. COD, Batllefield or the later Socoms, none of them ever gave me the pleasure Socom II did.

No, I don't find you stupid, I think it is stupid -in general- when people simply dismiss things that they have never experienced: basically, you are closing your mind to just one type of thing, for absolutely no reason other than blind loyalty or just plain ignorance.

You have a different opinion based on what exactly? Based on a game that you have played and based on the expectations that you have about a game that you have never played: that is stupid, because you are dismissing something that you have never experienced; in other words, it is stupid, because you are already dismissing a possibility before carrying out the actual experiment.

I'm not necessarily saying that you are stupid, I'm just saying that you are doing something stupid in this particular instance; I'm not trying to be patronizing, I'm merely stating a fact.

By the way, a video game remains a video game, I hope that you do understand that I was not implying that a video game should be exactly the same as 90 minutes of real football; have you ever seen ten minute match highlights? That's more or less, how a footy sim should play, and PES12 (as well as FIFA12) is very far from that.

You are saying that 90 minutes of play are utterly boring: I disagree with that, and I can assure you that any real football fan will disagree with you. Though having said that, obviously, a video game cannot simulate 90 minutes of play, so it is a redundant point really.

As for PES12, obviously, I do not think it is worth the price that I payed, it is a cheap update being sold for top dollar: I think it should cost half of what I payed for it. Quite simply, I do not see where my money is going, it certainly isn't going into the massive improvements one would expect after paying such a high price.


PS -- I recognize that I could have expressed my point without the necessity of resorting to phrases such as "I think you are utterly boring", so I apologize if I offended you.

 

[Pokervriend]

No, I don't find you stupid, I think it is stupid -in general- when people simply dismiss things that they have never experienced: basically, you are closing your mind to just one type of thing, for absolutely no reason other than blind loyalty or just plain ignorance.

Neither, I'm not closing my eyes for it, nor am I dismissing things I've not expierenced. If PES would make the game exactly how you described it, I would give it a try. Maybe it's way better than this PES, and I was wrong all along. But this game (beside the small bugs etc.) is what I look for in a footy. So why would I be eager to change what I like? If PES 2013 would be made as you describe it. You buy it and you love the game. This was what you were looking for all these years. You play it hours a day, and beside some minor problems, it is your ultimate footy (exagerating a bit) . Now, a guy on a forum says he is not at all happy with the game, and tries to convince you that PES should go a whole other direction.. Would you than say "Amazing, I like this game as it is, but I'm open to all new things, and though this game allready is perfect for me, I would not mind if next years PES is completely different" Well, I wouldn't. And that has not very much to do with ignorance or blind loyalty, more that this PES is what a footy has to be like more or less.

I think it's not very useful to discus this much further. It's quite clear we will not agree here, and we keep on saying more or less the same every time. Like with every game, some people like it, others not so much. It's not that one of the two is right, and the other is wrong. Just two different opinions. Btw, I was not offended, I just did not find it very helpul for the discussion