thinking of never playing PES again.. HELP!

[Limphy]

i've been a PES ''fan'' since 2005.. at the time, the gameplay was far beyond that of FIFA, so as a fan of soccer, it was the only game to play.. over the years, it's sort of become a habit to buy the game every year.. but i'm starting to realise about 80% of it gives me pure frustration.. is it worth it?

as i said, i've been playing for a few years and i do consider myself a fairly skilled player.. however, time and time again i find myself feeling cheated or even mocked by the games' system.. i am playing on top player, since professional honestly doesn't feel enough of a challenge most of the time.. i suppose it also has something to do with ''honor''.. playing (and succeeding in) the hardest version of the game just offers a certain amount of satisfaction, i suppose ... and failing at it offers quite a frustration as well.. that said, i will admit to not being the most patient and occasionally even short tempered person, but the raging outbursts i suffered during playing PES were far far worse than any other experience i ever encountered.. i nearly fainted the other day:tongue: ...

... and what exactly is making me miserable you ask? why are you bugging Us with your personal issues? Well, what i actually want is to find out how the rest of you cope with the ever present AI ''cheating''.. if that's the case anyway.. it could be, i'm just not THAT good of a player, or that i'm overly annoyed by my own misfortune.. actually, i'm pretty sure that's the case:tongue: .. however, no matter how well i play, sometimes i really don't know how to affect the ''game''..

.. the main problem, defence ... i play pretty well in attack, often scoring 3,4 goals per game, and working hard for them... only to find the opposing team (no matter which one) come back after almost every one by simply walking through my defence and making a fool of my (statistically superb) keeper.. maybe i just suck at playing defence? i don't know.. but i can hardly say it's my fault where i order the player to the right position and he lets the ball slip through his legs or ignores my command and the ball altogether.. not to mention the powerless feeling whenever there's a through ball with a goal just written on it (which happens way to often).. i'm not saying i don't score goals that way, but the whole concept of it just seems wrong... a lot of times it just feels like playing a cheating game against a master cheater instead of just playing soccer, which is why i started to play PES in the first place.. the weirdest part, however, is that somehow i still find myself clicking the pes2011 logo on my desktop.. it's like i'm addicted, but not enjoying it anymore.. so, i feel the best thing to do is just stop playing, right?

 

[S-D-P]

PES 2011 is my favourite game but I do feel your pain as the game has balancing acts in order to make the game challenging and at times there is obvious scripting/rubberbanding in offline master league.

Sometimes the game can feel scripted when its just other factors such as condition and certain players tenacity stat which can effect the way players play. The AI can also be good at finding holes in your tactics.

Have a break and come back to the game, if your like me you will just get more and more frustrated and carry on playing the same way thus making it easier for the AI. Some tips...

Play calm and keep possession, keep your finger off sprint as the more you sprint the more the AI pressures. Force the AI to be creative, block the passing lanes and keep your team compact, super cancel can help by maneuvering your players to close the space and force the AI into a mistake.

Dont do what I do ie biting of analog sticks and snapping discs like a fucking madman.:laugh:

 

[Limphy]

well, i guess you can tell i started writing the post while still greatly affected by the latest ''blunder'' while playing... i am feeling a bit better now, i've done some push ups and released the stress:tongue:

and i do get, what you are trying to say.. playing it calm and calculating every move does help a great deal.. but after receiving 3 ridiculous goals in the first 20 minutes against panathinaikos ... a match which just happens to decide whether or not we're progressing from group stage in CL, it's kind of impossible to keep that cool:tongue: ... that's what gets me the most.. no matter how well you play, or if you own top players and coaches, there's a time in during the season (usually the most important matches) when the game's just like: ''nope, you're not getting through this one!'' ... it's this type of scripting that gets me the most, actually... i started in the d2 english league with a random generated team (ivarov, castolo, etc..) ... it was really tough, but i managed to win the league and advance.. i also managed to reach the finals of the league cup (defeating arsenal, chelsea and man utd. - the hardest road to finals ever!), only to fall helplessly against west ham in the end.. same thing happened the second year (this time to man utd.) .. this year, despite being rank 1 in the league (so far), the game decided not to let me pass the CL qualification group against Basel, Panathinaikos and Olimpique Lyon.. i haven't won a single match, since somehow they're playing several notches above the level of man utd and chelsea (and my team playing noticeably worse than usual!?)

thanks for the advice, anyway

 

[S-D-P]

Had a similar situation, won the CL and league title but the next season got knocked out of the group stages with lyon, fenerbache and FC Basel with me playing as inter. The cpu raised its game for these matches but some of the goals I conceded were hideous and very buggy. Safe to say the pes rage set in. One goal consisted of my player auto clearing the ball out for a corner under no pressure and low and behold the cpu scores from the corner in the 89th minute, no matter how fucking irritating this game is master league has me hooked and I always have to come back for more.

 

[Limphy]

yeah, that's the worst.. i'll probably play another match right now, despite the fact i barely braced myself from flat out punching my computer screen just a few hours ago ... i just feel so used and ashamed sometimes:blush:

 

[Rasmus]

One goal consisted of my player auto clearing the ball out for a corner under no pressure and low and behold the cpu scores from the corner in the 89th minute, no matter how fucking irritating this game is master league has me hooked and I always have to come back for more.

Oh god. Can we please get rid of the auto clearing in pes 2012 konami!?

Definetely one of the worst features ever to be implemented in a football game. It would be best if it disappeared totally. We want to control our players actions ourselves. At least you should be able to switch it off as you liked.

 

[Limphy]

well.. that's it, i'm deleting the game off of my computer.

it's just come to a point, where i'm not enjoying it anymore.. no matter how good my team is, EVERY SINGLE match is basically a struggle against all odds to win.. i have to score at least 3 goals every match in order to even consider winning, since our fabulous defence (on paper) keeps conceiving ridiculous goals on a regular basis.. i'm serious, not a single match in the entire season have we kept a clean sheet.. i score well over 100 goals during the course of a season, yet my goal difference is among the weakest in the league every time..

it's really hard to win, but i somehow manage to get though most of the matches.. that is, until the most imported ones.. i play in the premier league with a made up team raised from scratch.. every year, a different team plays incredibly, usually earning around 90 point at the end of the season.. now i don't mind the competition, but i do mind the game doing everything in it's power to sabotage me.. i'm talking international games a week before the important title match, leaving every single player on your team fatigued (which apparently affects the player's performance way more than actual ''form'').. and i'm not talking a near, subtle defeat that usually happens... no, this year, i'm competing against man utd. (i bought rooney from them, but they're still winning somehow).. our team, despite fatigued by internationals, were playing pretty well, scoring 3 goals with a bunch of opportunities resulting in great saves by their (supposedly just as fatigued by the internationals GK) or nears misses/posts .. however, we lost.. by 4 goals! Yeah, 7:3 was the score... and i'm not lying by saying my GK didn't make A SINGLE save during the entire match! i'm serious, they weren't even playing better than us, it was just that every shot, failed cross or through pass, as lame as they were, somehow found a way in the net.. needless to say, along with fatigue, 90% of my players also suffered a steep drop in form for the next match, which was.. obviously, a CL quarter finals... we lost that too, as expected, and just like that, my entire season's hard work got wasted in three consecutive weeks.. i'm just sick of it.. and i don't get why the stupid internationals during the entire season are obligatory!? I mean, no sensible team is gonna let their best players attend stupid friendly international games during their busiest time of the season, so why don't we get the chance to refuse them?

anyways, as i said, i'm not really enjoying playing matches anymore.. even the ones i win most of the time leave me upset due to stupid conceived goals and nail biting until the last second.. in fact, the only reason i play ML/PES are those few negotation weeks where i buy/sell players and manage the team.. but it's not worth it .. i'll rather buy football manager or something..

..and as for PES? i'm deleting the game, and i'm sure as hell not buying it anymore.. that's it, farewell

 

[Rasmus]

Sad to hear you're entering the dark side. Good luck with F**A

 

[czrvenaeagle]

I just had my 7th scripted match in a row. Its incredibly frustrating and reason enough not to bother buying any more versions of PES (I mean, why would I want to play a game where the outcome is aleady pre-determined).
I only have PES2011 cuz my ex bought it for me haha.

But I've worked up a team thats so strong I'm beating Manchester City 11-1, then the following 7 matches against teams at the bottom of the table all result in draws and losses. Any time I scrap back a goal they, like the original poster said, just either walk through my defenders or my defenders are nowhere to be seen and a through ball results in a goal.
And I was so close to getting the undefeatable trophy arrrgghhh.

To be honest... I hate PES and Konami. They're losing a LOT of fans because of this idiocy, very, very poor idea.

Still, it hasn't beaten my record of 9 consecutive scripted matches.

Let me know how shyte 2012 is everybody!