Use Jenkey patch or not?

[Yoxa]

I finally thought i got the grips on pes 2012 superstar mode after winning a few games against lower opposition and then I run into the same opposition yet again and get hammered 4 games in a row with my defence falling asleep.
I feel like I was cheated (again).

I don't know if I should use jenkey patch because I fell like the cheater then. What do you think/recommend? :S

 

[techboy11]

Yoxa why would you feel like you are cheating?

First off using Jenkey's patch makes the game freer and more unpredictable, so the decrease in CPU cheating is outweighed by the greater CPU AI and variation in attack.

It's quite simply this for me;

Do I want to play the same repetitive game over and over again, or do I want a game of football that represents football? My time is precious these days, when I sit down on the sofa to play my PC I want my 20 minute game to contain ALL the fundamentals of football, I don't want to repeatedly have to break down 11 players, every game.

You'll probably find that the CPU score the same amount of goals against you or even more as they are now attacking you, and will build up in a varied manner so that the defensive patterns that have previously worked will not using Jenkey's stuff.

Think of Jenkey's as levelling up the cheating, eradicating THAT goal that Heskey scores when he waltzes through six men, the goal where the CPU disables your defender and he just fails to jump when defending a corner, the way the CPU MAKE your left and right backs stand still and watch the lofted wing ball - all this I had enough of.

I don't mind losing (Chelsea beat me 5-1 the other day, I've never been so helpless in defeat in all my life, Drogba, Torres and Mata were different class that day), but I want to lose on my own terms, with teams giving it a go against me and not having the CPU glitching cheats against me. That's where Jenkey's patch does it magic.

 

[Luisao82]

Jenkey's Tool is a MUST!
And I don't even remove AI Cheating Script, because now that I got the grip on defending, the only I cheating I notice from AI is when taking FK's.
Heskey, Aguero, Yakubu, you name it! they don't manage to do those mazing runs against me now anymore, even though the DA is still a bit too exaggerated in AI controlled players. But I prefer it that way. It makes the CPU more dangerous and I like that.

I'm currently playing ML with Newcastle. Half a season is gone, I'm in 10th place, having defeated Arsenal and Man United, and having drawn with Man City and Liverpool. Chelsea defeated me 3-1, and they completely dominated the game, I must admit. They're currently in 1th place.

 

[baangus]

You're asking if eliminating the cheating, is cheating. Think about that for a moment.

 

[.Lee.]

I agree 100% with Techboy, Jenkey's patch makes the games harder for me, but when I get beat it's because of my mistakes or because my opponents were much better than my team, like it should be.

I hated dominating possession against better teams just to get beat by a freekick or corner. Now when I play better teams, I have to defend better as THEY will have most of the ball not me, plus they try different routes to goal rather than pressing their special "Mind Control Button" which turns all my professional footballers into 90 year old pensioners who need a rest and a sit down for a bit, while they score.

I'd never say using this type of mod is cheating, your just given the option of playing the game differently. You might as well say lowering the difficulty setting is cheating.

 

[Yoxa]

Ok thank you all for your time.
It felt like cheating because not all players use it and I kinda wish that I don't use it too but now that I hear what some other people think I feel releived.
Thanks guys, a lot!

 

[abu97]

It's harder to dominate teams in terms of possession at patch 1.02 as the cpu are more aggressive and win the ball back easier and don't sit back until the 80th minute until it is time where the scripts come in play when you are drawing

 

[Luisao82]

Actually I ALWAYS dominate possession against AI... and I mean always. But that requires 110% of concentration, I just can't blink. And that's one of the secrets against the AI. If you conceed much possession to it, it will make you pay eventually.
Usually it's 52% - 48% for me.

 

[abu97]

I actually win games when I am half-sleepy on superstar- I just use counters and control another player to beat the offside trap where I can play it through to him

 

[Luisao82]

Well, I don't use Player Control, as I don't use shot feint as well. I think both are a bit overrated in this game. In the shot feint example, the AI controlled players sometimes run away like little girls.
Using both really makes winning the AI too damn easy. And I don't like it easy.
Of course, people might argue that if they feature in the game, it's stupid not to use them, but I have a different idea. Using them against the AI is a bit of cheating, and even though the AI cheats me at times, I praise myself for winning without resorting to similar methods.


BTW, do you use Jenkey's Gameplay Tool? If you do, do you remove the Cheating Script?

 

[skickahit10]

Speaking of - what settings do you all use in Jenkeys?

 

[.Lee.]

Speaking of - what settings do you all use in Jenkeys?

I use the default, as in I push the "Shot power" down to default settings, i tick curled shots and turn off the AI scripting, but that's it really.

 

[abu97]

Well, I don't use Player Control, as I don't use shot feint as well. I think both are a bit overrated in this game. In the shot feint example, the AI controlled players sometimes run away like little girls.
Using both really makes winning the AI too damn easy. And I don't like it easy.
Of course, people might argue that if they feature in the game, it's stupid not to use them, but I have a different idea. Using them against the AI is a bit of cheating, and even though the AI cheats me at times, I praise myself for winning without resorting to similar methods.


BTW, do you use Jenkey's Gameplay Tool? If you do, do you remove the Cheating Script?

You might think it is a bit easier however in football players that are not in possession do make runs as the guy on the ball tells them to which is replicated on PES and without it players can't intercat with eachother which is unrealistic.

 

[Luisao82]

But also, players in real life sometimes misunderstand, other times they don't respond to the guy on ball or simply decide to take other actions rather than the one they're told... it's the faculty to take initiatives.
On the other hand, (and specially in-form/motivated players) are aways active and often making relatively intelligent runs by their own, without having to communicate with no one or without any 'external hand'.... and all of that is replicated in this game.

And I repeat, when playing against AI, Player Control becomes a bit too overrated for my liking. AI controlled defenders seem to get a bit 'blind' and slow to react when a human player uses Player Control, making it too easy to unmark and eventually score.
Anyway, one is free to use it and won't be judged of course.
But me, I don't and I won't use it, unless I'm playing against a friend.


But I asked you: do you turn on the Remove AI Cheting Script or not?

 

[Yoxa]

I use remove AI cheat and rest is default.

 

[Luisao82]

Ok.
For an even higher difficulty, I also don't remove the AI Cheating Script. As I said b4, as you learn more and more about the game (specially defending), you realize that it isn't so cheaty as ou thought.
It just requires more concentration and precision in your play.

ps: I uncheck Remove AI Cheat. Script, increase ball weight and LOD. The rest default

 

[abu97]

The AI cheat regardless of your abilities- every long shot is a goal, your defenders don't fall on top of another, your keeper doesn't do an own goal from a crorner kick in the last minute, everyteam doesn't do Godlike interceptions, it's just all balanced

 

[Luisao82]

The AI cheat regardless of your abilities

It's a bit true. But as you learn the game, you also learn how to 'stifle' the cheating from the AI.
AI player suddenly transforms into Messi? Then I transform my defender into Cannavaro.

every long shot is a goal

That's a lie. At least that doesn't happen to me.
The AI fails a lot of long and close range shots, their attackers are almost always under pressure, so the AI does have to strive hard to score against me.
I must confess, I'm no peanuts in the back.

your defenders don't fall on top of another, your keeper doesn't do an own goal from a crorner kick in the last minute, everyteam doesn't do Godlike interceptions, it's just all balanced

Those annoying 'volte faces' are rare in my games. Like I said, the AI does get more aggressive and a bit more skilful when it needs goals, but he can still be contained. Remember, soccer is also about setting the tempo of the game and having the capability of keeping the opposition in the back foot.
You do need to play a more contained games at times, you do need to avoid risky passes and play it safe for some moments against the AI, and that's one of the beauties of this game... it does require that from a human player, and that's one of the things that makes PES 2012 so realistic and captivating.

As for defenders falling on top of another, plz clarify because my english is a bit limited. What do you mean?

 

[KyD]

well, this patch does not work for me almost at all.


i cant change timelimit, cant disable replays, cant use the mapped buttons, cant disable blur, cant do nothing cept set the ball weight and shot power. damn, help?