WE 8-Retirement of Players

[cadburyho]

One feature which I am eagerly awaiting to see in what is actually in store will be probably be the development/retirement of players on WE8. If this feature is introduced in earnest, the game will definitely be more competitive. In fact the idea is not new, many people have talked about it before. Whether it is an original idea from Konami is none of our business and I doubt anyone cares. What we consumer wants is to see more features, realistic gameplay, user friendly controls to activate various stunts and the game portray to almost like in real life..Like in injury, being deprived of certain key players( in this case retirement) will definitely upset a team’s rhythm. Having played a certain number of season, it is quite logical for one to amass enough of cash to assemble an almost unbeatable team. In my case,after 8 seasons , I have assemble a strong side. Even though I have lost some matches due to weird sluggish performance, I always ended up the season within the top 3. With the amount of cash accumlulated from past winnings, my team can only get stronger. Chances of my team falling into Div 2 is virtually non existent and so it is kind of unrealistic after a while. What I really want to see is a dynamic environment where players aged not merely by number but physically as well. Their attributes should also decrease as age catches up. However it may be a catch 22 situation for some.. With the retirement factor, after some 15 seasons perhaps 95% of known players will be phased out from the game and we may again see the likes of Cellini, Vorlander, Huygens, all totally unknown players. Will it add more fun to the games. Or should the game see some kind of reincarnation. David Beckham, Owen, Sol Campbell starting all over again at a development age. I just can wait to see how Konami is going to introduce this. Whichever, the game is getting exciting.

 

[jamez]

Player retirement is a good idea, but it does bring some problems. Firstly, replacing the players in the first place. Personally i would not like to see the retired players becoming 'recycled', ie a new 17-year old prospect called Edgar Davids. That would be rubbish. What Konami would need is a huge database of names from all over the world so that brand new players could be regenerated at random.

Secondly, how far do you take the reduction in a players skill with age. I would propose that a players attributes would drop after the age of 30. However i would only reduce the attributes that relate to a player's speed and reaction, and stamina and injury proneness. I believe that most players never lose their skill as such, just how quickly they can run and react to situations (look at Bergkamp - as skillful as ever but without the pace). Also a players ability should increase up until the age of around 24. Therefore players like Rooney will continue to develop. However not all players have such promise, so an new attribute such as 'potential' could be used to govern how quickly a player will develop/degrade.

Those are just my ideas, sorry for going on a bit.

 

[NoNaKoS]

Player retirement is a good idea, but it does bring some problems. Firstly, replacing the players in the first place. Personally i would not like to see the retired players becoming 'recycled', ie a new 17-year old prospect called Edgar Davids. That would be rubbish. What Konami would need is a huge database of names from all over the world so that brand new players could be regenerated at random.

Secondly, how far do you take the reduction in a players skill with age. I would propose that a players attributes would drop after the age of 30. However i would only reduce the attributes that relate to a player's speed and reaction, and stamina and injury proneness. I believe that most players never lose their skill as such, just how quickly they can run and react to situations (look at Bergkamp - as skillful as ever but without the pace). Also a players ability should increase up until the age of around 24. Therefore players like Rooney will continue to develop. However not all players have such promise, so an new attribute such as 'potential' could be used to govern how quickly a player will develop/degrade.

Those are just my ideas, sorry for going on a bit.

Very interesting point of view!Let's hope for the best..Time will show!!Can't wait til August!!!

 

[proevo_15021975]

i think they are all really good valid points.hopefully they will listen to everybodys ideas and introduce thrm into the game.we live in hope.

 

[wixon]

It'd be like playing PES mixed with CM/LMA manager. it's a good idea to implement this. hopefully though there will be an option to turn this feature off in case you just want to play a "retro" style master league.

 

[jamez]

It'd be like playing PES mixed with CM/LMA manager.

Thats what i'm hoping for.

 

[The Jodis]

Player retirement is a good idea, but it does bring some problems. Firstly, replacing the players in the first place. Personally i would not like to see the retired players becoming 'recycled', ie a new 17-year old prospect called Edgar Davids. That would be rubbish. What Konami would need is a huge database of names from all over the world so that brand new players could be regenerated at random.

Secondly, how far do you take the reduction in a players skill with age. I would propose that a players attributes would drop after the age of 30. However i would only reduce the attributes that relate to a player's speed and reaction, and stamina and injury proneness. I believe that most players never lose their skill as such, just how quickly they can run and react to situations (look at Bergkamp - as skillful as ever but without the pace). Also a players ability should increase up until the age of around 24. Therefore players like Rooney will continue to develop. However not all players have such promise, so an new attribute such as 'potential' could be used to govern how quickly a player will develop/degrade.

Those are just my ideas, sorry for going on a bit.

For your first idea, SI Games have used that method for Champ Man for years, and its worked well. You have your database of current known players, then the database of all the youth players that are around t the moment. Players that retire are "Re-born" as it were. Thing was the stats are not as high as they were when the original player was at his peak when the new player comes about, but the potential stat would be set so that eventually the player would hit the same stats as before. Thats providing the player was well looked after by the club. Also the random generation of the re-born player was well done.

Say for example Owen retires, 2 seasons later he's reborn but may not be English. He could be randomly generated as Robbie McCartney of Ireland!

So if Konami were to implement a similar system, then it will do very well towards great ML gameplay!

As far as your second idea is concerend, I agree with your points as far as only certain stats reducing with age.

My choices would be:

Acceleration
Speed
Stamina
Injury Proneness

All other skills should really remain as they are, if not slighty get better. Say the better players, while speed may decrease, consistency and team work would increase due to greater experience.

I ask you, with news like this coming out, can you feel it? The eventual realise of a Champ Man/PES game! !

Don't think I'd ever leave the house if that happend!

 

[larsson]

Bad idea, I don´t want to play with fantasy players after 10 seasons of ML. So if it´s optional then it´s ok for me, if not the forget about it. You can´t compare CM database to WE/PES database. Konami would never be able to make such a database, and the things you´ve described with the reborn players etc only work because of CM database. Just to compare, CM has about 100000 players, WE about 2500. I fear that Konami would screw up the complete ML if they implemented this feature.

 

[jamez]

All other skills should really remain as they are, if not slighty get better. Say the better players, while speed may decrease, consistency and team work would increase due to greater experience.

Good point. Stats like Mentality, Teamwork & Consistency could rise with age. I think there should also be morale, influence and vision stats like CM, as this would help in choosing a captain.

Also, special abilities could be gained with experience, ie for defenders-marking & defensive line, midfielders-playmaking & passing, strikers-scoring & positioning.

 

[jamez]

Bad idea, I don´t want to play with fantasy players after 10 seasons of ML. So if it´s optional then it´s ok for me, if not the forget about it. You can´t compare CM database to WE/PES database. Konami would never be able to make such a database, and the things you´ve described with the reborn players etc only work because of CM database. Just to compare, CM has about 100000 players, WE about 2500. I fear that Konami would screw up the complete ML if they implemented this feature.

Then the management side to the game (cos thats what the ML is) will never move forward. Is that what you want?

 

[NoNaKoS]

Bad idea, I don´t want to play with fantasy players after 10 seasons of ML. So if it´s optional then it´s ok for me, if not the forget about it. You can´t compare CM database to WE/PES database. Konami would never be able to make such a database, and the things you´ve described with the reborn players etc only work because of CM database. Just to compare, CM has about 100000 players, WE about 2500. I fear that Konami would screw up the complete ML if they implemented this feature.

Yes that is the point.Besides if you want to play a manager game don't bother play PES because its a simulation game and in that direction it must remain.Just play CM or any other similar Manager Game..

 

[larsson]

Then the management side to the game (cos thats what the ML is) will never move forward. Is that what you want?

If you want a pure management game play CM. I'd like to see some improvements in the management part, but retirement of players goes to far. I'd like to see dollars/euros instead of points, realistic prices and contracts, different injuries (like in EA's NHL for example), AND above all realistic competitions and leagues, and not 4 leagues with 14 teams each and Italian and German teams in the same league
Don't you think that it's more important to change the whole structure of the ML before working on things like player retirements ?
Obviously you didn't understand what I wanted to say with my post. You simply can't say "implement this" just because it´s in CM, because you CAN'T compare both databases, what works in CM will most likely not work in WE ! With CM database in WE I'd say "ok, go for this", but with only 2000-2500 players I fear the ML would be messed up.

 

[joerog]

I think it is a bad idea. Mostly because this would bring up lots of flawes, like Matt becoming better than Zidane, and all players deteriating at the same rate. E.g Zidane and Heskey both losing 10 off each stat. per month.

Also there must be a choice to have it on or off. Otherwise after 5 seasons there will be 50% of 'fake' players in the game. Maybe you'd have just got in the highest league, or champions league. You'd be looking forward to playing against big players for Madrid and Milan, only to find their best players have retired and you're now playing a team half full of players who aren't even real.

 

[simmsm88]

They should have just switched names around like how Madden does it.

For instances, they could do this for each region:

Roy Keane + Michael Owen = Michael Keane or Roy Owen, now you don't have the same person.

 

[Leon of Silvren]

I think this feature would be a success if Konami can deal well with it, but larsson, don't expect konami will make a hit from their 1st chance, for something they have to start. First of all it must be an option to turn it off, because if it can't be turned off konami will screw it, because probably the system they'll use will have a lot of flaws and we as gamers will not like playing a lame master league, since it's the main atractive of the game features, and the most played. I think this retirement/development of players will be more like a test for konami knows what we think about that and make improvements for the future, so I think it should be optional.

 

[Leon of Silvren]

Don't you think that it's more important to change the whole structure of the ML before working on things like player retirements ?

Yes, totally agree with you, and all the alternatives you have mentioned before are ok, plus they should add incomes of the clubs like tickets, publicitary contracts, shirts sales, etc, and outcomes like stadium's maintanance, player's salary, etc. In other words money management.

I also think they should create the main europeans leagues(La Liga, Serie A, EPL, Bundesliga), the uefa cup and the champions league. Make it like a real franchise management, before thinking in the retirement and development of players.

 

[cadburyho]

I think it will be even better if there is an option to put us in the game. In WE7, I have created a player that looks almost like yours truly, name and everything and gung ho for action. Stats all at 50 , awaiting for future development. Imagine my disaappointment when I found out that I cannot participate in the ML. Now with the retirement/development of players, perhaps let us start off as a youth, train and develop from there. It will definitely create more enjoyment.

 

[larsson]

I think this feature would be a success if Konami can deal well with it, but larsson, don't expect konami will make a hit from their 1st chance, for something they have to start. First of all it must be an option to turn it off

Very true
That´s why I say "ok, implement this feature, but make it optional", and who knows, maybe Nokami manages it to make a hit from their 1st attempt

 

[Leon of Silvren]

I don't think so, but I hope that not only that will be improved in the ML....as you said, they have to change the whole structure, not four leagues anymore, but all main european leagues this time.

 

[Man.Utd Maniac]

I think it's a bad idea by Konami... Cause i still can't see how they can pull it off, with a database of a few thousand players? After 10 seasons there would be 60% false players... That's not the way i would like to go honestly...