What to do about inaccurate stats (and how to correctly use those of pestatsdatabase)

[dolcem]

PES15 is too good to miss out on and it even has the Argentine league, so I just had to buy it for my birthday (my first video game since PES12). But I've found that the stats are a complete mess. First of all, the Brazilian league is way overrated and the Argentine league is way underrated. No Brazilian teams made the semi-finals of the Libertadores last year and only one did this year. The only really strong Brazilian team, Cruzeiro, sold its best players in January, and the league as a whole is in decline and not as good as it was 5-10 years ago. The best team in South America is River Plate, probably followed by Boca Juniors and San Lorenzo. But according to the team ratings, there are several Brazilian teams better than River Plate. In fact, the Argentine league is about on par with the MLS (I use PesGalaxy 4.01). The Japanese league is ridiculously overrated as well.

And it looks as if they don't know much about these players. I say this based on what I've seen from my Independiente--even a lot of the positions are wrong. I went to pesstatsdatabase.com, which seems to have better stats, and copied those of every player. But these stats seem far too inflated, mostly because the overall ratings seemed why too high (according to the Next-Gen editor), and the team ratings were way too high as well. So I experimented and in order to get the team ratings to about where they should be, I lowered every player's ratings by 6. This seemed alright according to Next-Gen as well. But then I looked up the overall rating in Edit mode, and it's a very different story. The overall rating in the game is different from Next-Gen's...much lower. So I'm thinking of maybe increasing the ratings by one point from where they are now.

But this is of course just for my team. I want to clean up the whole Argentine league, and maybe Brazil as well. Pesstatsdatabase will be my source of course but those ratings seem way too inflated. Do you guys use PSD? If so, how do you reconcile the difference between those on the site on those in the game? Do you think a universal difference of -5 works (just subtract 5 from whatever the stats are on PSD)? Also, how do you globally edit stats across a team or league? Is there any way to globally increase the stats of every player in a league (say I want to decrease the stats of all Japanese players by 2)? I haven't been able to find that feature in the Next-Gen editor.

Would love to hear your thoughts.

 

[motherhen]

The amount of player positions that have been cocked up is amazing... When it comes to stats, i also use the PESDB ones. The overall rating can seem high but i try and ignore that...

 

[dolcem]

The amount of player positions that have been cocked up is amazing... When it comes to stats, i also use the PESDB ones. The overall rating can seem high but i try and ignore that...

Which players do you edit and which do you leave the same? My issue is that if I use PESDB for, say, the top five Argentine teams, it will way overrate them. So then I will have to edit the rest of the Argentine league. But if I do that, then the Brazilian league will be too weak, and I will have to edit that. And then I will have to edit all of the other Latin American teams so that the Copa Libertadores isn't too easy. And then once I have done that, the problem is that all of the Latin American players are way overrated compared to the European ones. I'd have to edit every single player in the game. I don't have time for that...I would need an OF (based on the PESGalaxy or PTE patch) with all of the players edited based on PESDB stats. Does such an OF exist?

If not, my plan is to edit the top five or six teams from the Argentine league based on PESDB but globally decrease all ratings by, say, five. My question for the forum is what should this magic number be?

 

[dolcem]

I decided to compare the stats from PESDB to what they are in the game and put them in a spreadsheet.

I decided to use teams from Argentina, Brazil, and Spain. I took three teams from each league: one at the top of the table, one in the middle, and one in the bottom. In Spain's case, I figured Barcelona and Real Madrid were too extreme (in Argentina and Brazil there aren't teams that much better than the rest), so I picked Sevilla instead. I made sure to use teams and players that were pretty much the same from 2012-2015 so that players who have really improved in the past year or so and have much higher stats on PESDB don't throw the numbers off (I aimed for the players to be in their upper 20's). I used five players from each team: two defenders, two midfielders, and a striker, all starters (there are a couple of exceptions because of missing players or the lack of a good point of comparison; I used three midfielders and no strikers at Quilmes, and at Paranaense and Chapecoense I could only compare four players. And I didn't keep track of goalkeeping ability, place kicking, swerve, or saving.

Another thing I'd like to not is that I omitted some stats when there were big differences on unimportant stats (a defender whose kicking power was 25 higher, for example). This did get a bit tricky though as I noticed that PESDB tended to rate the technical skills of defenders (passing and dribbling) a lot higher than the game does. Perhaps this is because in real life Argentine and Brazilian defenders are more skilled with the ball than their European counterparts, and the game doesn't make up for this. These omitted stats of course didn't count towards the averages. But I think this means we should consider the PESDB stats a bit more inflated than the numbers show.

At River Plate, Cruzeiro, and Sevilla, the average was about 4 points: that is, the stats on PESDB were 4 points higher. For the mid table teams, Tigre, Paranaense, and Espanyol, the stats were closer to five, usually about 4.8. And at the lower table teams, Quilmes, Chapecoense, and Almeria, the numbers were a bit higher, close to five.

My guess is that the makers of PESDB all tend to overrate their own leagues but as you move up the table, the better players are closer to the players that are used as 'markers' (my guess is they have a few players that everyone agrees on and they move down the ladder from there), and so their stats can't be inflated as much.

In short, on average the players on the top teams are about 4 points better on PESDB than they are in the game, and for the rest it's about 5. Perhaps you can add one more point if you want to include the big differences in omitted stats (technical abilities of defenders, for examples).

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YgQ5TARxR82q3bLpTWPWBN2gXQYaDBbl_ZDcJQrNcKE/edit?usp=sharing