Why can't KONAMI get even the basic logical things right

[alizawi]

simple aswer...watch a pirlo free kick...inside foot, it swerves one way, and spins in the opposite direction... u can even kick it dead straight with the inside if your foot...just as long as u strike through and keep the ankle firm..

back to PES, once u figure out how physics combine with other factors, such as being off balance, or defensive pressure, you will realize shooting is quite realistic..u have to judge as if you were on the field yourself...that's how real it is... ucant just press shoot and expect the ball to magically be on target

 

[MysteryMan]

simple aswer...watch a pirlo free kick...inside foot, it swerves one way, and spins in the opposite direction... u can even kick it dead straight with the inside if your foot...just as long as u strike through and keep the ankle firm..

lolololol

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back to PES, once u figure out how physics combine with other factors, such as being off balance, or defensive pressure, you will realize shooting is quite realistic..u have to judge as if you were on the field yourself...that's how real it is... ucant just press shoot and expect the ball to magically be on target

rofl, I seriously doubt some people here even watch soccer games, seriously...

Anyone who watches soccer KNOWS its a FACT that 90% of the times great soccer players like Rooney, Messi , Villa etc... kick the ball during the game so it CURLS towards the goal , giving the keeper a bigger angle to be able to save it, sometimes when your under pressure u can't hit the ball good and things like that happen, the ball swerves opposite or it doesn't at all, but when under no pressure THEY ALWAYS kick it that way.

But not in Pes... no no , to be honest I never saw the ball curl towards the goal when someone kicked it so far, sure I don't watch replays of all my shots but from the goals I saw, it ALWAYS swerved from the goalkeeper towards the side of the goal, and as I said again , soccer players almost ALWAYS try to do the opposite, even if they dont succed at it much, but usually the really great players do alot, and you can't deny that.

example:

[youtube]lYlW-S0JUx0[/youtube]

The point is I never saw that in pes ( apart from free kicks ) and it happens in real soccer alot.

 

[Montanaro]

yeah, this has always been a complaint with PES. Would be awesome to have shots with movement, I mean sometimes I get a bit of movement but it's quite random.

Maybe next years game?

 

[iamcanadianeh]

Actually, I'm an ace at physics. If there's a mistake it stems from your elementary school drawings which don't make it clear.

Regardless, my main point is that when I play the game I haven't seen this, and I certainly don't think it's a huge problem. Keep in mind that it's a video game, and so it's all an illusion, not reality. It's not shocking that perhaps there are situations where the animation can't match the shot in a realistic way, hence you end up with things like this if your watching things in slow mo replays to try to see problems. Again, from my perspective whether you have a point here or not it's your attitude that makes it hard to take you seriously. I don't mean to be critical, but why not just point something like this out in a reasonable and constructive way. Say, hey, I've noticed this and I think it could be improved. Make it a suggestion rather than crying about it and throwing in comments about how you can't hit the net and the shots aren't powerfull enough... Which I still can't understand!

Sorry, I just think maybe you have a decent point here now that you have explained it, but I also think the way you pushed your opinion like it was some sort of shocking and appaling thing is a bit laughable.

 

[u1tradt]

That link has just confirmed that you are confused. Essien has smashed that with the outside of his boot.

Watch the replay, he smashes it with the inside of his foot and it comes off the front of his foot. Is it even possible to get that sort of trajectory on the ball with the outside of your foot from that distance?

 

[MysteryMan]

Sorry, I just think maybe you have a decent point here now that you have explained it, but I also think the way you pushed your opinion like it was some sort of shocking and appaling thing is a bit laughable.

Your probably right, but things like this just frustrate me the most so its a big issue for me, but yeah your right.

Anyway I just think that this game lacks the curls towards the goal that is so common in real life soccer, so far I have not seen a shot like that in the game and played alot of weeks so far, and I really think it should be in the game as it is very common in real life.

 

[LOL-ness]

Your probably right, but things like this just frustrate me the most so its a big issue for me, but yeah your right.

Anyway I just think that this game lacks the curls towards the goal that is so common in real life soccer, so far I have not seen a shot like that in the game and played alot of weeks so far, and I really think it should be in the game as it is very common in real life.

PES 2011: Have you tried pressing L1 or R1 and direction on the analogue stick when taking free kicks? That usually does a curl/swerve in the intended direction fine (of course, you'll also need to have a a player with good swerve stats).

IRL football: I do agree that if you hit the ball with your left foot on the inside and set a spin on the ball to the right, the ball should curl/swerve towards the right. However, I've seen people do the contrary in real life, whether it's by fluke or real skills. Perhaps no one is factoring in wind direction?

 

[Montanaro]

He already mentioned that he knows you can swerve the ball on free kicks, he is wondering why you can't in open play.

Well for one, the left stick is used to aim, maybe if they changed it to where the right stick controlled swerve/curl.

For instance, you double tap sprint to give yourself a good shot on the ball, you power up your shot, and right before you kick you flick the right stick in the desired swerve direction, length of holding it dictates the effectiveness. Holding it too long will cause loss of technique and a bad shot, too short and nothing happens. A players shot technique should play a major factor in this as well.

 

[LOL-ness]

Well for one, the left stick is used to aim, maybe if they changed it to where the right stick controlled swerve/curl.

Yes, I meant the left analogue stick. Sorry for the confusion (in fact, I use the d-pad when I take free kicks because it's more accurate).

He already mentioned that he knows you can swerve the ball on free kicks, he is wondering why you can't in open play.

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For instance, you double tap sprint to give yourself a good shot on the ball, you power up your shot, and right before you kick you flick the right stick in the desired swerve direction, length of holding it dictates the effectiveness. Holding it too long will cause loss of technique and a bad shot, too short and nothing happens. A players shot technique should play a major factor in this as well.

To be honest, is it really necessary to add swerve controls in open play? It's not like you have all that much time to think about how you swerve a ball even when you double tap sprint to give yourself more room. I find it good enough that players would swerve a ball depending on which foot he's using, and how often he switches to his not-so-good foot and how accurate he is with that foot.

 

[alizawi]

here you go genius..u picked the one free kick that curls inwards...take a look at this long range blast...watch the slow motion replay, especially the last one....it does exactly what u say defies physics...so basically, u failed on a scientific level, and on an football level.... ROFL over here smart guy... hahah.. some people are just clueless...and the fact that u keep talking about "WATCHING" soccer makes it even funnier... go play the game on a competitive level, then come and share your opinion... lol....watching soccer, hahaha

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOc25pdplRw

 

[jayjay1306]

Watch the replay, he smashes it with the inside of his foot and it comes off the front of his foot. Is it even possible to get that sort of trajectory on the ball with the outside of your foot from that distance?

When that ball connects with his foot it is not on the inside. And yes it is possible to get that sort of trajectory, refer back to my previous comment about R. Carlos. The point MysteryMan is making is the physics with a standard side foot (correct me if I'm wrong MM), on PES the ball often spins in the opposite direction to how the shot is taken. Everyone knows it's a problem on PES, it seems people are arguing that a ball can travel in two directions - we know that, the point is the ball is going in a direction that the shot technique wouldn't allow in real life.

 

[Stormrider]

But not in Pes... no no , to be honest I never saw the ball curl towards the goal when someone kicked it so far, sure I don't watch replays of all my shots but from the goals I saw, it ALWAYS swerved from the goalkeeper towards the side of the goal, and as I said again , soccer players almost ALWAYS try to do the opposite, even if they dont succed at it much, but usually the really great players do alot, and you can't deny that.

example:

[youtube]lYlW-S0JUx0[/youtube]

The point is I never saw that in pes ( apart from free kicks ) and it happens in real soccer alot.

It does happen in Pes, even in older ones, and more often than you think. I've scored some nice curlers into the corners in Pes 2011. I've been pulling off that very same Rooney shot ever since Pes 5. It's just a bit random and you're right sometimes the shot doesn't match the animation.

You can pull it off with an R2 shot (that's pressing R2 after square) where he'll mostly use the inside of his foot. You can perform the same shot without the use of R2 if you're moving slow and have the ball close to your feet while moving parallel to goal and being under no pressure. Meaning if you're at the top of the screen, go around the edge of the box and then go straight downwards and shoot, just like Rooney in that video. That's the best way to get curl. There's also the Henry curling lob which Rooney and Del Piero can do as well. Using the motion I just mentioned on the edge of the box, hold L1 and shoot for the special curling lob. Not sure if they removed this shot in Pes 2011 because I don't remember seeing it mentioned anywhere but it's been in previous games and it 100% curls towards goal.

here you go genius..u picked the one free kick that curls inwards...take a look at this long range blast...watch the slow motion replay, especially the last one....it does exactly what u say defies physics...so basically, u failed on a scientific level, and on an football level.... ROFL over here smart guy... hahah.. some people are just clueless...and the fact that u keep talking about "WATCHING" soccer makes it even funnier... go play the game on a competitive level, then come and share your opinion... lol....watching soccer, hahaha

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOc25pdplRw

:unsure: it looks like it was a laces shot, definitely not a side footed curl which everyone's been arguing about. Also there was no spin or curl. It was a Cristiano Ronaldo type dipping shot so that video is neither here nor there.

 

[bestpesever]

yeah curve needed..

what about camera chasing ball,cant catch ball..so u dont know wtf u doing on pitch??is that basic?

 

[MysteryMan]

When that ball connects with his foot it is not on the inside. And yes it is possible to get that sort of trajectory, refer back to my previous comment about R. Carlos. The point MysteryMan is making is the physics with a standard side foot (correct me if I'm wrong MM), on PES the ball often spins in the opposite direction to how the shot is taken. Everyone knows it's a problem on PES, it seems people are arguing that a ball can travel in two directions - we know that, the point is the ball is going in a direction that the shot technique wouldn't allow in real life.

Yes thats exactly what I mean, if you watch the replay alot of times the kick taker's foot position and placement of the shot and how they take it would strongly suggest an opposite curl that actually happens in the game, thats why its so weird.

and 2nd point il address in the next quote

It does happen in Pes, even in older ones, and more often than you think. I've scored some nice curlers into the corners in Pes 2011. I've been pulling off that very same Rooney shot ever since Pes 5. It's just a bit random and you're right sometimes the shot doesn't match the animation.

Yes the shot often doesn't match the animation, about the curled shots you take are you sure it curls like rooney's kick here? because a few times I had a shot curl a bit too but it was almost non existant, just a tiny bit, here rooney curls it alot, never saw it in pes so far speaking about 2011 now, well at least I think it should curl alot more specially in that situation where rooney is running diagonally against the goal, when players run like that they usually curl the ball and alot if they hit the ball well, specially messi etc..

 

[Stormrider]

Yea curls almost like that

 

[Halfrax2]

There's never been quite enough curl on shots and long passes in PES. It was pretty much non-existent back in the early PS2 days. But then most computer football games with lots of curl tended to look a bit weird and wrong - I still remember the free kicks on Actua Soccer 3, which used to have an L-shaped trajectory.

You can hit a pretty good curling/dipping shot on PES2011, though, even if it doesn't curl quite as much as that Rooney effort. If you're running parallel to goal somewhere near the edge of the box, you can pull the stick diagonally away from where you're aiming at and you'll get a shot something like that one.

 

[alizawi]

:unsure: it looks like it was a laces shot, definitely not a side footed curl which everyone's been arguing about. Also there was no spin or curl. It was a Cristiano Ronaldo type dipping shot so that video is neither here nor there.

look carefully, that was inside foot.. he never uses the lace, his run up doesnt even allow for a lace shot... i have done the same before, not as good, but same idea... its not that difficult...

 

[Stormrider]

look carefully, that was inside foot.. he never uses the lace, his run up doesnt even allow for a lace shot... i have done the same before, not as good, but same idea... its not that difficult...

sorry man watch it again, best angle is at 54 seconds. he clearly uses the instep of his foot. the shot he took is called the instep drive, also called a laces shot. that shot doesn't produce swerve or curl but rather a direct and powerful dipping shot just like in that video.

you're not on the same page as everyone else, who are talking about performing a different type of shot that adds curl.

 

[jayjay1306]

sorry man watch it again, best angle is at 54 seconds. he clearly uses the instep of his foot. the shot he took is called the instep drive, also called a laces shot. that shot doesn't produce swerve or curl but rather a direct and powerful dipping shot just like in that video.

you're not on the same page as everyone else, who are talking about performing a different type of shot that adds curl.

54 seconds confirms it is a laces shot. There is no way from that distance he could generate that much power from a side foot shot.

Please end this discussion now.

 

[Zorac1979]

Ok I'm done with this now, got beat of Real Madrid 3-1 they had 3(3) shots... I had 17(10) and battered them. The game is way to scripted. If I wanted to watch a match I had no control over I'd watch a real match, not take part in the running around like a headless chicken crap this is turned into.

I'm not going to Fifa but when PES 2012 comes out I'll wait and read the forum pages here before buying it to see if this shite has changed.

Happy gaming all.