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Why PES 2010 is still such a lousy game

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CAN7ONA

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No one is saying master league is crap, we are talking about core gameplay, in which pes is fucking seriously outdated, how many things can you do on the pitch now, that you couldnt do in pes 6?

I am enjoying PES 2010, if I was to set up PES 6 right now I'd enjoy that too.

But the above is worryingly true. We are about to hit the beginning of another decade and there is no drastic improvement in PES, when deep down everyone knows that alot of things could have been implemented in the game. Simply put this current instalment should have been on a whole new level.
 

jonny5985

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Dry those eyes sally, im just telling it how it is, you like pes fine, but here a quick logic test.

If everyone else likes it, why is this thread (by another poster) called "Why PES is a lousy game", also, i think there is another thread called "Worst pes ever", again not started by me.

So nice try with the group tactics, but let me tell you a secret, I dont like groups and i dont give a fuck.

Thanks for playing.



No one is saying master league is crap, we are talking about core gameplay, in which pes is fucking seriously outdated, how many things can you do on the pitch now, that you couldnt do in pes 6?

lmao.
How many things can you do on a Fifa pitch that you couldn't do 3 years ago. Apart from a few extra ineffective skill moves - very little. You can move 360 degress but what joy that brings when the AI thinks he's playing rugby.

The gameplay in Fifa10 is appalling and quite boring. I'm overwhelmed with a feeling of 'meh' everytime i try and play it. I don't want 22 players running around at breakneck speed on a condensed bowling green. I don't want defenders who repell against eachother to leave a nice big gap for the striker to run through. I don't want a keeper who has a fascination with being chipped. I don't want to ping pong my way through an entire team and end up with the most boring way of scoring - finese shot/chip in 1v1 sitution. I don't want the AI to have unlimited stamina. I don't want Darren bent's acceleration to be at 99 after a few good games in MM. I don't want my board to tell me i'm £2 billion in debt. I don't want my players being moved to a different club halfway through the season. I don't want to play every fucking game in the rain....at night. I don't want Andy Gray telling me he's happy to be here and I don't want Chelsea to sign Benjani. To be honest, i'm not sure i want a pure simulation of football. That would be quite boring.

What i do want is a simple game engine that allows me to spray the ball around nicely to enable me to create a chance for myself. I want satisfaction from scoring a goal. I want a decent offline mode to play that isn't riddled with bugs. I want to feel some form of in-game atmosphere, but most of all i want a game that i can enjoy. Fifa 10 sadly isn't that game (09 was), and this year PES is, for the most part, that game.

Focker out.
 

EnglishSnake

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I bought fifa the day it came out and after 2weeks ov playing offline and online i got bored and tired of fail EA

They overhyped it and didnt deliever the basic of things that they promised

It was a beta version tbh if that and the number of bugs and flaws that they have found is unreal, they had to release a patch on release day and then another a week later because it is that shit, then when 10problems are fixed they say that they are not going to release anymore updates and try to blame microsoft aswell saying microsoft only allow so many updates when MW2 has had 4 i think already

I gave it a good playtest but it fails hard in offline and online and the main cause ov it is the AI which is worse than 09

I switched to PES and its alot better, the AI responds to my tactics when i change them, each team plays different + individual AI for some big players like messi/kaka/ronaldo ect, online works fine, ML unlimited season + no bugs atm, BAL alot more realistic than BAP, presentation is top notch

PES needs a new game engine and animations but we all know that but with what they have got they have produced a damn gd game this year which at least rivals fifa if not betters it
 

cjkinger

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Good luck in your debate boys. You can join a few other threads of people ranting about meaningless points out of their control instead of being an adult about it and making a choice. Tech_Skill, you seem to have an answer for everything (like picking out my point about Master League of all things in my post), instead of having a reply about if you don't like gameplay, take your ball and go home! You love to rant and complain about things out of your control. Move on buddy, as I am about to because this is a boring debate with impossible people :)
 

Tech_Skill

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How many things can you do on a Fifa pitch that you couldn't do 3 years ago. Apart from a few extra ineffective skill moves - very little. You can move 360 degress but what joy that brings when the AI thinks he's playing rugby.

Stopped taking you seriously here......garbage post.

Especially the bit where you criticise fifa's 360, whilst playing that horrible fake 360 shite on pes2010, and then say you dont want a game that plays at breakneck speed.......yet you play pes2010 (that bit was the most funny of all!), you dont like ping pong football, so you play the game which doesnt give you the semi manual- manual option pass option, you want satisfcation in scoring a goal, so you play game where the keepers lets the ball go through them into the net.

You obviously dont actually have fucking clue what your talking about mate.

Fucking- Mega-Yawn.

How many fucking time do i have to tell you planks

FIFA IS BUGGED TO FUCK! ESPECIALLY WITHOUT UPDATES! (Most if not all of the bugs you mentioned are actually fixed in updates, nevertheless its still appalling)

we know this.....

But at the same time

PES 2010 IS NOTHING LIKE REAL FOOTBALL, ITS NOT EVEN BETTER THAN THE PS2 VERSIONS OF THE GAME.

Save the fucking gay cliches
"PES has soul, I always leap about when i score on pes, pes is a sim and fifa is a game"

PES is old and stale, play fucking pes3, then play pes 2010, hardly any fucking major difference in gameplay bar the graphics, which is a joke.

And without AI cheating, pes aint even a challenge on top player, fucking bore-fest with the cpu just passing it about then running around into stupid areas.

Off the pitch, yes there is some good stuff there, on the pitch, no one with a fucking brain can tell me players move, pass and strike like that in real life, half the fucking time players feet dont even touch the ball when they shoot!

Fucking realistic my arse.

Like it if you want, fine, but dont tell me that game is a SIM.
 

ferdinand001

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Dear Tech...

IMHO both are "medium" games, i have to agree with you that PES2010 its a step in the right direction, but no way is a decent "current-gen" game...when we see the reff MEGABUGS, the awfull and outdated animations, the bugs with the collision detect engine and the physical part of the game...obviously PES its a "medium-poor" game...

But, in the end, with all that issues, IMO its more enjoyable than Fifa...

For me, in conclusion PES NEEDS A BRAND NEW ENGINE CAPABLE TO DEAL WITH MO-CAP, INVERSE KINEMATYCS OR EUPHORIA-ENDORPHINE PACKAGE...to be a real REVOLUTION SOCCER in the current-gen hardware...An engine capable to keep all the individuality in players and teams and soap (merge) with the new hardware standars...

Saludos desde Chile
 

jonny5985

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Stopped taking you seriously here......garbage post.

Especially the bit where you criticise fifa's 360, whilst playing that horrible fake 360 shite on pes2010, and then say you dont want a game that plays at breakneck speed.......yet you play pes2010 (that bit was the most funny of all!), you dont like ping pong football, so you play the game which doesnt give you the semi manual- manual option pass option, you want satisfcation in scoring a goal, so you play game where the keepers lets the ball go through them into the net.

You obviously dont actually have fucking clue what your talking about mate.

Fucking- Mega-Yawn.

How many fucking time do i have to tell you planks

FIFA IS BUGGED TO FUCK! ESPECIALLY WITHOUT UPDATES! (Most if not all of the bugs you mentioned are actually fixed in updates, nevertheless its still appalling)

we know this.....

But at the same time

PES 2010 IS NOTHING LIKE REAL FOOTBALL, ITS NOT EVEN BETTER THAN THE PS2 VERSIONS OF THE GAME.

Save the fucking gay cliches
"PES has soul, I always leap about when i score on pes, pes is a sim and fifa is a game"

PES is old and stale, play fucking pes3, then play pes 2010, hardly any fucking major difference in gameplay bar the graphics, which is a joke.

And without AI cheating, pes aint even a challenge on top player, fucking bore-fest with the cpu just passing it about then running around into stupid areas.

Off the pitch, yes there is some good stuff there, on the pitch, no one with a fucking brain can tell me players move, pass and strike like that in real life, half the fucking time players feet dont even touch the ball when they shoot!

Fucking realistic my arse.

Like it if you want, fine, but dont tell me that game is a SIM.

Well seen as though i've owned copies of both games over the last few years (like most people) i think i can safely say i do know what i'm talking about. In fact, it would seem you're the person who doesn't.

"Most if not all of the bugs you mentioned are actually fixed in updates, nevertheless its still appallin"

Given EA have already stated they won't be patching any aspect of the gameplay, and they have as of yet, not released anything to fix any of the 70+ manager mode bugs listed on the Fifa forum, i find it very odd that you can call people, when you claim EA have fixed most of the bugs.

Yes bugs are only bugs, but when they ruin the game and EA don't fix them, they become game ruiners. Simple.

Right getting back to my original points...

The issue with Fifa being played at a breakneck speed is as follows...

The pitch is the size of a fucking bowling green. The player movement and more importantly, the ball movement is far too fast...even on slow. The speed on PES might still be on the fast side, but the larger pitch size makes it less of an issue. And actually playing PES10 without sprint abusing, is actually quite brilliant. The pace feels perfect. You can't play Fifa without sprinting at some point because the rugby-like AI is ridiculous.

You can use the manual pass button on PES if you choose. Whilst different to Fifa, it is still there. The issue with using manual on Fifa is the fact that i can't be arsed learning to use it properly. I don't pretend to be some console king who can devote hours and hours to playing a computer game. I play for enjoyment,and i have a life outside my ps3, so for the odd hour i get to play per day, i'd rather enjoy myself than learn how to point my analogue stick at a 100% accurate direction. Bor-fucking-ring.

The keeper glitch you've experienced hasn't happened to me so i can't really comment, but what i can say about scoring satisfaction is this... In fifa there is little...scrap that, zero game atmosphere. The nets are metalic and finsihing is very repetitive. Finesse shot, chip, finesse shot, chip. Same GK dive all the time. Like i said earlier....MEH. it's alright, but scoring should be the best part of a football game. In PES, whilst the keepers can be dumb, the way they respond in 1v1 situations is very good and the net physics are brilliant...if over the top. Who the fuck cares, it adds to the satisfaction of scoring.

If you took your internet warriors outfit off and cared to read my post, you'd get the jist that i think a true sim would be boring. So in that respect i couldn't care less that Fifa has better animations, and the players actually touch the ball when they shoot. Whoop-de-fucking woo. If the game in general bores me, and the main offline mode is about as useable as a chocolate fireguard, what does it matter?

I', scratching my head wondering why you feel the need to berate people for liking PES10 more than FIfa10. The only things i can come up with are a) - you're 14 or b) - You're secretly just as pissed about Fifa and your slagging of PES10 is just a misguided way of making you feel better about the ineptness of EA and Fifa10.
 

Tech_Skill

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Dear Tech...

IMHO both are "medium" games, i have to agree with you that PES2010 its a step in the right direction, but no way is a decent "current-gen" game...when we see the reff MEGABUGS, the awfull and outdated animations, the bugs with the collision detect engine and the physical part of the game...obviously PES its a "medium-poor" game...

But, in the end, with all that issues, IMO its more enjoyable than Fifa...

For me, in conclusion PES NEEDS A BRAND NEW ENGINE CAPABLE TO DEAL WITH MO-CAP, INVERSE KINEMATYCS OR EUPHORIA-ENDORPHINE PACKAGE...to be a real REVOLUTION SOCCER in the current-gen hardware...An engine capable to keep all the individuality in players and teams and soap (merge) with the new standar in hardware...

Saludos desde Chile

If you find it enjoyable, good for you.

I find realism fun in a football game, and fifa is imo, by far more realistic despite the bugs.

I really believe alot of PES Fans are just fucking plain deluisonal, every team does not play different in pes, not all of the players feel exactly like they do in real life, these are myths, not facts.

Pes 2010 is quirky, and im told the master league is brilliant ( i do have pes2010, but i barely play that shite), but i feel for anyone who thinks the core gamplay in that game is realistic.

Lets get real here, fifa 10 was bugged to fuck and killed PES this year again, which doesnt say much for pes2010 to be honest......
 

ferdinand001

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Yeah...maybe...

Both have pros and cons...the core gameplay of pes isnt 100% realistic..i have to agree...but here we cant expect consensus, because its a matter of taste... both games have arcadish moments...

IMO the really important thing is that neither (FIFA OR PES) are in the standart of current-gen.

I really hope that PES revamp the market in near future with a brand new engine...
 

EnglishSnake

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Well seen as though i've owned copies of both games over the last few years (like most people) i think i can safely say i do know what i'm talking about. In fact, it would seem you're the person who doesn't.

"Most if not all of the bugs you mentioned are actually fixed in updates, nevertheless its still appallin"

Given EA have already stated they won't be patching any aspect of the gameplay, and they have as of yet, not released anything to fix any of the 70+ manager mode bugs listed on the Fifa forum, i find it very odd that you can call people, when you claim EA have fixed most of the bugs.

Yes bugs are only bugs, but when they ruin the game and EA don't fix them, they become game ruiners. Simple.

Right getting back to my original points...

The issue with Fifa being played at a breakneck speed is as follows...

The pitch is the size of a fucking bowling green. The player movement and more importantly, the ball movement is far too fast...even on slow. The speed on PES might still be on the fast side, but the larger pitch size makes it less of an issue. And actually playing PES10 without sprint abusing, is actually quite brilliant. The pace feels perfect. You can't play Fifa without sprinting at some point because the rugby-like AI is ridiculous.

You can use the manual pass button on PES if you choose. Whilst different to Fifa, it is still there. The issue with using manual on Fifa is the fact that i can't be arsed learning to use it properly. I don't pretend to be some console king who can devote hours and hours to playing a computer game. I play for enjoyment,and i have a life outside my ps3, so for the odd hour i get to play per day, i'd rather enjoy myself than learn how to point my analogue stick at a 100% accurate direction. Bor-fucking-ring.

The keeper glitch you've experienced hasn't happened to me so i can't really comment, but what i can say about scoring satisfaction is this... In fifa there is little...scrap that, zero game atmosphere. The nets are metalic and finsihing is very repetitive. Finesse shot, chip, finesse shot, chip. Same GK dive all the time. Like i said earlier....MEH. it's alright, but scoring should be the best part of a football game. In PES, whilst the keepers can be dumb, the way they respond in 1v1 situations is very good and the net physics are brilliant...if over the top. Who the fuck cares, it adds to the satisfaction of scoring.

If you took your internet warriors outfit off and cared to read my post, you'd get the jist that i think a true sim would be boring. So in that respect i couldn't care less that Fifa has better animations, and the players actually touch the ball when they shoot. Whoop-de-fucking woo. If the game in general bores me, and the main offline mode is about as useable as a chocolate fireguard, what does it matter?

I', scratching my head wondering why you feel the need to berate people for liking PES10 more than FIfa10. The only things i can come up with are a) - you're 14 or b) - You're secretly just as pissed about Fifa and your slagging of PES10 is just a misguided way of making you feel better about the ineptness of EA and Fifa10.
I couldnt put it any better tbh

 

worm

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Tech_skill.......................i agree with 'some' of what you say. But why the anger all the time???

Oh yeah_Tech-skill- have you played online, if so what is your verdict on that and under what gamertag??????????
 

bluechampion

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PES 2010 is miles ahead of FIFA 10 in gameplay. People who don't understand the game might be mightily excited about the animations and think that's 'realism'. If you think FIFA 10 is better than PES 2010, I feel sorry for you.

Tech_Skill - It's high time you'd learnt some manners. Stop behaving like the big brother. I remember PerfectStrik just owning you right here in this forum. You challenged him and now he's proved right. You're not able to take it. Probably you just love PES 2010 but can't admit to save your life. Useless ego . . .
 

sgmullins

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Ok then, fair enough.

I still think PES is old and outdated and some gamers just cant let go and accept the good days are over, but its everyone's taste at the end of the day.

Personally, Seabass takes you fuckers for a ride.

Remember this classic lie from 2008

"Yeah, we went to the last world cup to watch football so we could understand how to make pes 2008 more realistic"

And pes 2008........well, lets put it this way, i tried to trade mine in at the local video game store and the bloke was like

"Nahhh, we dont accept this kind of shit, games like Nintendogs...no problems we take those, but pes 2008? thats a step too far, just burn it buddy, its over"
What and EA don't take you fuckers for a ride(sorry for the swearing, just trying to make a point), now EA are trying to blame microsoft as they won't let them release some massive patch to fix the shit that is fifa 10.

Easports allways trying to blame someone else , if the twats had done their proper game testing then they would have seen what needed to be fixed, but no it's all about the money with them. knackers to the consumer.

If fifa 09 was so good, then why is fifa 10 such a disaster ?, they have had 12 months and the only thing that's been added is the 360 degree movement. The graphics are just the same as 09 and the gameplay is just the same as 09.

Really what have easports/rutter been doing all year long to come up with this crap, the only thing rutter is competent at is filling everyone's head with over hyped shit.
 

WE92005plusONE

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ah yes, at last indeed, another PES vs FIFA thread. Well it didn't start that way right?

Anyways, when will people understand that these 'arguments' never get anywhere?

It's like trying to convince some bible thumper he's nuts..... is he ever going to say " wow.. i see your point, I now really SEE THE LIGHT.. get it? nudge nudge"

lets all just calm down and relax.

It's just...a....video...game. You like PES? cool, you like FIFA? cool ( but youre wrong..kidding)

rants are rants, lets leave it at that
 

tejazz

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I'm a PC gamer and (un?)fortunately that's "PES>FIFA /debate" for me.

Kudos to Konami for not performing the EA Sports patented forced coitus in the inter-gluteal passage on its PC customers.
 

hangar18

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FIFA 10 = bug ridden unplayable mess. Even a 1980 8 bit arcade soccer game is better than FIFA 10. End of story
 

Tech_Skill

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PES 2010 is miles ahead of FIFA 10 in gameplay. People who don't understand the game might be mightily excited about the animations and think that's 'realism'. If you think FIFA 10 is better than PES 2010, I feel sorry for you.

Tech_Skill - It's high time you'd learnt some manners. Stop behaving like the big brother. I remember PerfectStrik just owning you right here in this forum. You challenged him and now he's proved right. You're not able to take it. Probably you just love PES 2010 but can't admit to save your life. Useless ego . . .

Fuck up mate, when did that happen? when he came on the forum and said he played a 95% code of PES that was 'light years ahead of fifa'??? He's fucking laughing stock across the entire pes community, thus why you dont see him on here anymore. thanks and good night.


What and EA don't take you fuckers for a ride(sorry for the swearing, just trying to make a point), now EA are trying to blame microsoft as they won't let them release some massive patch to fix the shit that is fifa 10.

Easports allways trying to blame someone else , if the twats had done their proper game testing then they would have seen what needed to be fixed, but no it's all about the money with them. knackers to the consumer.

If fifa 09 was so good, then why is fifa 10 such a disaster ?, they have had 12 months and the only thing that's been added is the 360 degree movement. The graphics are just the same as 09 and the gameplay is just the same as 09.

Really what have easports/rutter been doing all year long to come up with this crap, the only thing rutter is competent at is filling everyone's head with over hyped shit.

Course EA do, fucking punks made a game with a ton of bugs, you will NEVER hear me deny that, and i cussed this shit out of them on this forum and was one of the 1st people to complain on the EA forum, but guess what.........

Its STILL way more realistic and plays a better game of football than pes, sorry, but thats just how it is. And the gameplay is NOT just the same as 09, but I cant be arsed to get into it with someone who doesnt understand what constitutes a realistic game of football, you obviously dont have a clue on fifa, which is fine, if you think PES is a sim and you playing real football, thats fine. Im telling you now, on the pitch, its fucking lame at times and fucking easy too. Thus the reason even ex PES vets crossed over, infact just go look at the fifa 10 subsection in this PES forum. lol.

jonny5985- worst fucking poster on here right now, go back and read what i wrote instead of writing some bullshit

You said

You dont like the 360 movement on FIFA10- BUT YOU PLAY THAT AWFUL RIGID BULLSHIT FAKE 360 ON PES

You didnt want to play a game at breakneck speed- THATS PES

You didnt want ping pong- THATS PES

you havent seen the goal keeper glitches in PES? - PLEASE SEE THREADS ON THIS BOARD, YOUR OBVIOUSLY NOT A PROPER PES GAMER.

now, close your piehole, and drift off into the night.

You guys prefer pes, thats fine, i only accept proper points, not fucking lies and bullshit.

Tech_skill.......................i agree with 'some' of what you say. But why the anger all the time???

Oh yeah_Tech-skill- have you played online, if so what is your verdict on that and under what gamertag??????????

Dude, im not angry, lol. Its not personal, but people on here are talking shite as if i dont know fifa is bugged, when i was on this fucking forum telling fuckers about the bugs. lol. Thats not the point, point is, PES aint realistic to me, and thats why its getting its arse kicked.
 
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