There we go David..now were communicating...mate understand that every and I mean EVERY other Football game has full licencising. Here's my theory..like u said Fifa buy up evrything..but why would they give other games the licences? May b they dont see them as a threat? NO! This theory is bull shit! Konami are just lazy fuckers who wont buy the damn licence. So what if they have to negotiate seperately..every other developer manages to do it just fine
::Will Pro ever be fully licenced?::Predictions
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Ko_nami
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David P said:
Some good points about other football games being fully licensed. I'm sure the "This Is Football" games are fully licensed. And David Beckham Soccer was fully licensed aswell.
I wouldn't say Konami are lazy but I'd definitely say they're tight. In other words; cheap bastards.
0c1mmcshane
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Konami have stated that PES for the PS3 will HOPEFULLY have full licensing. Thing is konami have to agree terms with each team, this is why we just have arsenal and chelsea in the premiership. Also if u cast bk to PES3 there were only a small handful with licenses. They are slowly making progress on this issue but whether full licensing will ever be available is very questionable.
deftonesmx17
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I guess I am the only one here who has actually played This Is Football/World Tour Soccer....................Ko_nami said:
It is not fully licensed, there are many teams with fake player names and such just like PES/WE.
0c1mmcshane
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David P said:It's been hopefully every year i dont really care any more as there are some great option files out there to get your hands on
totaly agree these option files being produced are of great quality and tbh the kits can look better than those on other licensed games
RedDevilPesfan said:
Mate the only thing you are missing out on is EA Sports Music - which has been top notch and which if they released a soundtrack every year I'd buy, but the gameplay is horrible IMHO, it's "arcadey" to the hilt, though I do have to give them props in the area of "stadium athmosphere", it's still not enough to warrant playing for more than half an hour IMHO.
Anyway as for Konami - there was talk PES5 would have the french and german leagues licenced, but sadly they are not.
My main issue is not licences per se but the little things that Konami have in their control but choose not to do.
Examples:
1) Teams
You should be able to create generic teams, currently if you want to create a team that is not in the game you have to overwrite another.
Most people only overwrite a few and are quite content with overwriting PES & WE UTD, and perhaps a couple of other non-major teams in the "other" section, however I am not.
If more generic teams were able to be created you could create many clubs for many leagues, which brings me to my next point.
2) LEAGUES
This is my biggest issue.
At present in the ML you only have 4 leagues, and a very small div 2, personally I don't see why Konami can't expand this to say 8 leagues, all containing a div2 (even if that div 2 is only 8) teams.
Here's how it would look:
L1: EPL
L2: Serie A
L3: La Liga
L4: Eredivisie (Dutch)
L5: Bundesliga (unlicensed but all the teams are there anyway.)
L6: Ligue 1 (French - unlicensed but all the teams are there anyway.)
L7: Other 1
L8: Other 2
As the game is now, 7 leagues could be supported using every team, however if Konami gave users the option to create more generic teams, 8 could be quite easily created, and surely each having a small div 2 of 8 teams with promotion/relegation, wouldn't be a problem.
This is what gets my goat because to do this Konami don't have to chase licences, they know that the PES community love the game and edit freely and would be quite happy to turn 18 generic teams into replicas of another league (Russian, Greek, Turkish etc) but they don't do it.
I don't understand why?
soccerplaya480
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The licenses will come eventually. I think it takes a lot to get them I am sure, and now that EA knows that a lot of people are starting to go over to PES they are going to try even harder to hold on to these licenses exclusively. Here in America EA has gone as far with other games for american football as to make it to where they are exclusive in terms of making football games. The licenses will come and that is the straw that breaks FIFA's back!
EA has exclusive lisences....and yet their kits aren't accurate at all. Have you guys played World Cup 2006? The adidas kits are off and the gameplay stinks. Every missed shot either hits the posts or is saved.
Konami makes up for the lack of lisences with an edit mode. FIFA doesn't have it.
Konami makes up for the lack of lisences with an edit mode. FIFA doesn't have it.
greeny
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it does not effect the game not having a full license, as people have said they are more than happy to edit kit's them selves to make the game a little more real. the reason I hope konami go after more licenses is that on previous we/pes games it was possible to patch the kits now in we10 this option has gone for the time being till some one cracks the kit's. and as each day goes by it looks more and more unlikely, konami has made it hard for us to have kit's so we can only hope for the next gen to have a full license it's being wasted on fifa but until that time comes i'll be happy editing.
123gamer321
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kofidee said:
Their not 'cheap' , but they're just not rich enough.
FIFA Football gets all the billions of money, from Electronic Arts. No wonder why FIFA has all the licenses. Those things cost money you know And all the clubs ask tons of money!!! ( for licenses )
castrometal
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konami doesn't need to buy the liscences because this game is best seller without them. and by the time konami gets the liscences EA is gonna have identical gameplay.
123gamer321
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castrometal said:
Not an IDENTICAL in the first place, because Konami is gonna work on that also....Konami will have a better gameplay for ever. End of story....
Ko_nami
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123gamer321 said:Their not 'cheap' , but they're just not rich enough.
Err...Konami have been developing computer games since the late 1980s. As far as I know, Electronic Arts have been developing games since the early 1990s so in that respect, Konami have had a head start.
I just don't buy the excuse that the licenses are "too expensive". Konami have been producing games for years. They're a massive company and they should be able to afford these kind of things. And the recent growth of the PES/WE series should mean that Konami should be investing more and more money into each new version of the game.
I've often heard people on this forum say that Konami are just plain lazy - I don't think so. I think that EA have got a collective contract with FIFPro and an agreement with FIFA that allows them to license all parts of the FIFA games. This leaves Konami trying to license the PES/WE games by negotiating licenses individually possibly with each player and club. This is where the problem lies.
I think Konami's long-term future licensing strategy is to wait for EA's collective deal with the FIFPro to run out and then pounce. For the mean time, they'll happily negotiate licenses on an individual basis (ie. negotiating with the Premier League etc). Not to mention the fact that some players are now starting to sell their own sporting rights (Ballack, Kahn etc.).
But it may be a long, long wait for us to see a fully licensed version of PES/WE.