Psm3 thoughts on pes2010

[RAMAXWY]

Who is controlling the weight of the pass?

duhhhhhhhh

Not you.

The

Computer

chooses

the

weight

for

you

All you do, is press 'x' and the cpu does the rest for you.

Newsflash, thats CPU assisted.

Next time i'll try morse code.

Hold on: Unless you actually think there is going to be semi_manual, manual passing in PES2010???

Here we go again

"They can still put in manual passing, even though the game is 2/3 months away from completion, you dont know it wont be in there"

I dont mind people who like PES, what i find very sad, is this 'church of pes' where people delude themselves repeatedly into thinking konami are hiding amazing ideas which would help sales of their game deliberatley.

Let me, guess, despite the fact the version douggie played didnt have non-assisted passing, the fact this was a "50% build" which is gonna be nothing like the actual version (yea right), means they are gonna totally revise the game in the next couple months, with changes they havent made in about 5/6 years.

Ok.........

I DON'T CARE IF THE COMPUTER ASSISTS MY PASSES IN REGULAR GAMES , BECAUSE THEY USE THE PLAYERS ABILITIES TO HELP JUDGE THE OUTCOME, THAT'S WHY THE STATS MATTER IN PES.
now in BAL that's another story then my personal skill should matter.
if i'm in control of a world class passer shouldn't i feel the difference if not than that's just stupid isn't it.

if the stats didn't matter we would have another FIFA GAME were every player and team feel the same.

Okay, lets see what they come up with 2 months to go, its a bit funny they have 'spent years' on this game but still havent put the major improvements in until months before release.......

Someone is lying somewhere.

could be, we will just have to wait and see wont we ?.
but just promise us that you will be here when we are able to make the final judgement and that you will be honest enough to admit defeat.

 

[shaun7]

Pes 5's passing was more direction controlled rather than cpu assisted. Ofcourse it was cpu assisted but it let you give it the excact direction and to me even though there were 8 directions, the AI was much better thus better passing so it seems that there were more than 8 directions. Obviously you haven't played pes 5 recently tech skill. The cpu interferance was so low that it's barley notable.

 

[Tech_Skill]

Who says real currency is a major point?

Lol, have you not seen the reaction to it, there is even thread on this forum with some bloke getting over excited about it. Check it out.

I just don't understand how you're going about the thread seemingly looking for arguments. No matter what you say to counter argue "I was merely trying say this and that" - it's quite obvious there's provocation involved.

Afterall isn't it about gameplay? For all I care, they could make very little new additions, but as long as the gameplay is immense then there is absolutely no problems. At the end of the day, it's about playing an enjoyable game of football, we just have to see but it's looking bright so far to me.

The arguments happen, when people fail to adhere to basic logic.

Let me ask you something.

Would you call...........

CPU assisted passing, shooting, through balls and 8 directional movement immense considering what we know these consoles are capable of???

As i keep saying time and time again, look at PES3, then look at pes 2009.

Just how far has the game gone forward in all those years?

Then you might see where i'm coming from, because there's nothing immense about having pretty much the same gameplay now, as we did about 5 years ago on ps2.

Ramaxwy, you are next...... i'll edit my response in this post.

Infact, dont think theres anything in that post to respond to.... Shaun7, your turn.

Pes 5's passing was more direction controlled rather than cpu assisted. Ofcourse it was cpu assisted but it let you give it the excact direction and to me even though there were 8 directions, the AI was much better thus better passing so it seems that there were more than 8 directions. Obviously you haven't played pes 5 recently tech skill. The cpu interferance was so low that it's barley notable.

1) Actually I did put it on weeks ago, just to see how long i could keep the ball for, easy as hell, just pressed x about 30 times and let the cpu do the rest for me.

2) Its simple, you are not weighting the pass, all you are doing is choosing the direction and choosing long or short pass, the CPU does the rest for you. Its cpu assisted passing, the end. Which is the point im trying to make, in fifa you can choose exactly how much weight you want to put on the ball, which makes keeping possession a skill, because you having to judge the weight to make it go where you want it, not just pressing x 25 times and hoping. Thus the difference between the two and thus why PES should incorporate that idea.

 

[Stormrider]

If it will work the way they say it will, then yes, it'll bring another level of football/managment realism. But it needs to work first. I am also excited to see it in action.

I find it's just like special abilities except we can turn them on/off. Special abilities always worked in Pes. Players with dribbling will frequently take on defenders whereas players without it look for the pass. I'm certain Konami will have no problem getting them to work right. So now not only will Torres and Messi look just like their counterparts, they'll play just like them too.

Seems like we got the edge in graphics this year. Many praises for current animations with more animations to be added. If they sort out the gameplay and AI this year then BAL will be fuckin amazing.

 

[Tech_Skill]

For those of you who want a nice leak of pes 2010 gameplay, here is the close up from tanakas screen during the behind the scenes video, poor bloke was too dum too realise fuckers like me would ignore him and just watch the gameplay in the background

One look at this, and you can see my point.

Ignore the speed, they speed it up to find bugs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSrla6qc3bg

Ps. you can clearly see 8 directional movement, so no more talk about "we dont know for sure yet" its there for you to see.

 

[Hunter]

Lol, have you not seen the reaction to it, there is even thread on this forum with some bloke getting over excited about it. Check it out.


The arguments happen, when people fail to adhere to basic logic.

Let me ask you something.

As i keep saying time and time again, look at PES3, then look at pes 2009.

Just how far has the game gone forward in all those years?

Then you might see where i'm coming from, because there's nothing immense about having pretty much the same gameplay now, as we did about 5 years ago on ps2.

You say when people fail to adhere to basic logic - do you mean "opinion"? Because that's exactly what this is all about, nothing else, PES 2009 may have several flaws yet I still love playing it. It is all about preference and opinion, yet you're labelling it as logic, when it is not.

Would you call...........

CPU assisted passing, shooting, through balls and 8 directional movement immense considering what we know these consoles are capable of???

Would I call the above immense? Not particularly, but they're done in such a way that the PES gameplay is addictive and has solid longevity because of it. I could put many twists and spins on this and put words in your mouth also with regards to FIFA's negative points - because there is many in my view, but of course that would have nothing to do with PES.

You're also saying how PES hasn't evolved much since PES3, fair enough, again opinion, but it's obvious that the series hasn't advanced a great deal in recent years. I could also say the very same about FIFA though, prior to 2009, EA churned out the same game for near enough 10 years with slightly graphical updates and roster changes. Again opinion, but again, obvious.

You also insinuate people fail to use logic, but what you mean is "people fail to agree with my opinion".

As far as I'm concerned PES 2010 is shaping up quite well from the little bits of information and pictures we've been given, you might not think so, but that's what's so great about differences in opinion. It's not so great when people try to drill their points across so much that arguments are almost caused, it's just unecessary and pointless, nothing can come of it.

Ps. you can clearly see 8 directional movement, so no more talk about "we dont know for sure yet" its there for you to see.

8 directional movement? Yes. This was also clarified several days ago, maybe even over a week ago along with other pieces of information. I don't think that many people will be disappointed considering it was almost a given that the traditional movement would be included.

 

[Tech_Skill]

You say when people fail to adhere to basic logic - do you mean "opinion"?

No, logic. or haven't you seen the people on the front page arguing 8 directional movement isnt inferior to 360, or the people on here who tried to say 360 movement makes no difference to gameplay, or the people in this forum who think a cpu assisted game gives you more control than a manual game.

Definitely logic.

You're also saying how PES hasn't evolved much since PES3, fair enough, again opinion, but it's obvious that the series hasn't advanced a great deal in recent years. I could also say the very same about FIFA though, prior to 2009, EA churned out the same game for near enough 10 years with slightly graphical updates and roster changes. Again opinion, but again, obvious.

FIFA was horseshit for about 10 years, no one sane in head will deny that, but we discussing the present, and at present fifa overcame a 10 year disadvantage in 2 games, which alone tells you that PES has been stale for some time, now if you look at the reviews, the leaked details, the tiny bits of gameplay we have seen, it looks like PES could fall even further behind, yet people pretend the series is getting back to its best.

Its not.

8 directional movement? Yes. This was also clarified several days ago, maybe even over a week ago along with other pieces of information. I don't think that many people will be disappointed considering it was almost a given that the traditional movement would be included.

Completley disagree, 360 movement is one of the biggest talking points of the year and douggie in his article correctly stated the animations would have to be perfect to appease the fans, such was the huge dissapointment when it was announced that pes 2010 was 8 directional.

 

[Hunter]

No, logic. or haven't you seen the people on the front page arguing 8 directional movement isnt inferior to 360, or the people on here who tried to say 360 movement makes no difference to gameplay, or the people in this forum who think a cpu assisted game gives you more control than a manual game.

Definitely logic.

Again, opinion. Some people might prefer the traditional PES movement. FIFA might have this 360 degree movement, but as I said before, it doesn't make it a better game to play, as I still prefer the gameplay of PES 2009. I'd love to see how PES would be with 360 movement, but it might not work, if Konami got it working right it could open all new possibilities, but just because it would include 360 movement doesn't mean it would be a better game because of it. I also haven't seen these people you're referring to, but we all know games have their fanboys don' we, eh? Claiming FIFA is manual while PES is CPU assisted is old, especially considering FIFA can also be CPU assisted through the settings, while PES can also become manual through button configuration. There are many PES players on this site who actively use the manual control system, there's even threads about it.

FIFA was horseshit for about 10 years, no one sane in head will deny that, but we discussing the present, and at present fifa overcame a 10 year disadvantage in 2 games, which alone tells you that PES has been stale for some time, now if you look at the reviews, the leaked details, the tiny bits of gameplay we have seen, it looks like PES could fall even further behind, yet people pretend the series is getting back to its best.

Its not.

Again, opinion. You perceive the pieces of information we've been given to be poor, while others, including myself think they sound fairly promising. People who claim it's getting back more so "hope" it's getting back to it's best, fanboys exist, always will with games unfortunately.

This is going absolutely no where, we both know that - or I hope so anyway.

 

[Tech_Skill]

Again, opinion. Some people might prefer the traditional PES movement. FIFA might have this 360 degree movement, but as I said before, it doesn't make it a better game to play, as I still prefer the gameplay of PES 2009. So therefore, opinion. I also haven't seen these people you're referring to, but we all know games have their fanboys don' we, eh? Claiming FIFA is manual while PES is CPU assisted is old, especially considering FIFA can also be CPU assisted through the settings, while PES can also become manual through button configuration. There are many PES players on this site who actively use the manual control system, there's even threads about it.

Thats not the question though, wether pes has manual or not is irrevelant

The fact is, Manual gives you more control than automated.

Thats not opinion, in one mode the CPU takes control away from you, in other you have more control.

Logic.

Again, opinion. You perceive the pieces of information we've been given to be poor, while others, including myself think they sound fairly promising.

Ermm what im saying is, the information about the game so far doesnt portray a game which has been given the overhaul seabass promised.

Tactics Sliders, and cards, and real money in ml + 8 directional movement does not = Overhaul of pes imo.

So yes, thats opinion, strictly speaking and a good one too.

 

[RAMAXWY]

didn't think u would be able to give me an answer too because what i stated was a fact.
IN PES THE CPU ASSISTS YOUR PASSES AND SHOTS TO A CERTAIN DEGREE BECAUSE THE ABILITIES OF THE PLAYERS DOES COUNT AND HELP DECIDE FOR WHAT THE OUTCOME WILL BE IN THE END.
this is nowhere too be found in FIFA because the stats don't mean sh** .
i like it that way because otherwise the difference in teams and players wouldn't be visible, just like in FIFA.

 

[Tech_Skill]

didn't think u would be able to give me an answer too because what i stated was a fact.
IN PES THE CPU ASSISTS YOUR PASSES AND SHOTS TO A CERTAIN DEGREE BECAUSE THE ABILITIES OF THE PLAYERS DOES COUNT AND HELP DECIDE FOR WHAT THE OUTCOME WILL BE IN THE END.
this is nowhere too be found in FIFA because the stats don't mean sh** .
i like it that way because otherwise the difference in teams and players wouldn't be visible, just like in FIFA.

Nah, just think your previous post isnt worth a valid response really.

See im being real nice............. for now.

Yes obviously there is an issue in fifa regarding player passing stats.

But that's a whole different issue, has little to do with which game offers you more control from what i can see.

All your saying is, the CPU assists you in pes but it makes you accurate or not depending on the stats.

Im not disputing that, im just saying the passing is cpu automated and your agreeing with me

Next......

 

[Stormrider]

I for one prefer cpu assisted passing
As for 8 directions vs 360 it doesn't matter to me. I know 360 movement is a big step towards realism but it's only a game and playability is important too. If EA pulls it off hats off to them cuz Konami will be forced to consider it. Imo people shouldn't dismiss 8 direction so soon. It can still play a good game if the animations are done right.

 

[Tech_Skill]

Mods why have I been given a yellow card for nothing? No infraction message was sent.

Can you clarify?

Actually, you know what.....

PES 2009 is a next gen game, 8 directions is amazing, cpu assisted passing is better than manual.

PES2010 is gonna be the best football game ever, wait and see.

Right, im off, thanks for all the chats guys nothing personal.

cheers.

 

[shankly is god]

peace out son... right so pes 2010..... current news suggests that it is vastly improved but deep down inside i would hate to say im thinking it could be another stop gap....fingers crossed it wont be.. but i for one would love to see a greater level of detail..more indepth stats like promised... and more items like boots..stadiums, balls, and tattoos etc

 

[shaun7]

Lol, have you not seen the reaction to it, there is even thread on this forum with some bloke getting over excited about it. Check it out.


The arguments happen, when people fail to adhere to basic logic.

Let me ask you something.

Would you call...........

CPU assisted passing, shooting, through balls and 8 directional movement immense considering what we know these consoles are capable of???

As i keep saying time and time again, look at PES3, then look at pes 2009.

Just how far has the game gone forward in all those years?

Then you might see where i'm coming from, because there's nothing immense about having pretty much the same gameplay now, as we did about 5 years ago on ps2.

Ramaxwy, you are next...... i'll edit my response in this post.

Infact, dont think theres anything in that post to respond to.... Shaun7, your turn.



1) Actually I did put it on weeks ago, just to see how long i could keep the ball for, easy as hell, just pressed x about 30 times and let the cpu do the rest for me.

2) Its simple, you are not weighting the pass, all you are doing is choosing the direction and choosing long or short pass, the CPU does the rest for you. Its cpu assisted passing, the end. Which is the point im trying to make, in fifa you can choose exactly how much weight you want to put on the ball, which makes keeping possession a skill, because you having to judge the weight to make it go where you want it, not just pressing x 25 times and hoping. Thus the difference between the two and thus why PES should incorporate that idea.

That's a lie about pes 5. The cpu interferance was really low thus why it was the best pes game ever. Ofcourse it's assisted, but it doesn't even bother you because it's really low. BTW I do not play fifa 09 passing on manual because the direction never goes where I want it.

 

[Amateur]

It's all a matter of opinion, for my part, weighting the pass doesn't adds that much to the overall experience. The freedom in terms of directions is great, but weighting the pass takes a bit too long and really doesn't adds that much to the game, in my opinion.

Or perhaps I haven't played the game nearly enough to start noticing the huge difference that "weighting the pass" adds to the game.

I do agree however that PES10 should offer more possibilities and control when passing the ball. I mean, FIFA09 is clearly 8 Directional but the Passing feels like it is 360. Why can't Konami do the same??

As for "weighting the pass", it is important, but I don't see the need for a "power bar" or anything of that sort. And again, it really doesn't makes that much of a difference in FIFA09 because there's something wrong with midfield play in that game.

Anyways, besides the freedom when passing the ball and controlling the pace of the pass... FIFA09 is 8 Directional, and lacks replay value. For one thing I find it obvious (predictable) and unresponsive. The game never is as fun and addictive as PES5 or PES6.

And again, FIFA09 may have some so-called "advances" in terms of passing the ball, but still we have very poor Player Likenesses... every Team feels like an idential copy with a different Face and Kit.

We all know Football is a Collective game, it's basic fundamentals that every Individual and Team plays to their respective Strengths... this is not reflected in any FIFA title to date. Plus the Sliders have a minimal almost-irrelevant effect in-game.

So both FIFA and PES have their positives and negatives, it would be unfair to say that FIFA09 is miles ahead of PES5, as for all its positives it haves a lot of flaws.

As for FIFA10 vs PES10... which feature do you guys think will have a more significant effect on The Core Gameplay?? 360 Dribbling or the new Card system?

In my opinion Konami's Card system will have a more significant effect on the core gameplay, because (if it works like they say it works) every Team and Individual will move and feel different. This should add a lot of depth and replay value to the gameplay.

But we shall see which feature holds more weight. If anything, at least FIFA and PES are different... it would be a bit boring if both games are too similar.

 

[proevofan88]

Tech_skill

You are funny ( and VERY annoying and its obvious you are provoking )....ill keep this short though:

PES passing CPU assisted? Yes it is and that's a great thing imo. Why? Because the stats actually matter in pes...whereas in FIFA you can have ASTON VILLA and you can have BARCELONA but if you ( the player, with all the freedom to pass ) decides how strong a pass is and where it goes...than what need is their to have different teams since if you become very good at the game you will be passing like barcelona with any team....

So you talk all this shit about how bad PES is and how FIFA is so amazing but youpoint out how FIFA has no longevity...if thats the case, why arent you on a fifa forum bashing FIFA for being such a shallow experience....dont give me all that BS about FIFAs new Manager Mode because the gameplay will get boring and predictable in a month....

the only reason FIFA is played is because the online works....

I have both games ( FIFA 09 and PES2009 ) and while neither game is close to representing the look of the real game, PES is still more fun with friends.

OPINION ( learn this word )

p.s. The sliders in FIFA are SHIT....they dont do nothing. They are just there to simply give you an impression of some sort of tactical play.

 

[RAMAXWY]

It's all a matter of opinion, for my part, weighting the pass doesn't adds that much to the overall experience. The freedom in terms of directions is great, but weighting the pass takes a bit too long and really doesn't adds that much to the game, in my opinion.

Or perhaps I haven't played the game nearly enough to start noticing the huge difference that "weighting the pass" adds to the game.

I do agree however that PES10 should offer more possibilities and control when passing the ball. I mean, FIFA09 is clearly 8 Directional but the Passing feels like it is 360. Why can't Konami do the same??

As for "weighting the pass", it is important, but I don't see the need for a "power bar" or anything of that sort. And again, it really doesn't makes that much of a difference in FIFA09 because there's something wrong with midfield play in that game.

Anyways, besides the freedom when passing the ball and controlling the pace of the pass... FIFA09 is 8 Directional, and lacks replay value. For one thing I find it obvious (predictable) and unresponsive. The game never is as fun and addictive as PES5 or PES6.

And again, FIFA09 may have some so-called "advances" in terms of passing the ball, but still we have very poor Player Likenesses... every Team feels like an idential copy with a different Face and Kit.

We all know Football is a Collective game, it's basic fundamentals that every Individual and Team plays to their respective Strengths... this is not reflected in any FIFA title to date. Plus the Sliders have a minimal almost-irrelevant effect in-game.

So both FIFA and PES have their positives and negatives, it would be unfair to say that FIFA09 is miles ahead of PES5, as for all its positives it haves a lot of flaws.

As for FIFA10 vs PES10... which feature do you guys think will have a more significant effect on The Core Gameplay?? 360 Dribbling or the new Card system?

In my opinion Konami's Card system will have a more significant effect on the core gameplay, because (if it works like they say it works) every Team and Individual will move and feel different. This should add a lot of depth and replay value to the gameplay.

But we shall see which feature holds more weight. If anything, at least FIFA and PES are different... it would be a bit boring if both games are too similar.

i still don't think he gets it

Tech_skill

You are funny ( and VERY annoying and its obvious you are provoking )....ill keep this short though:

PES passing CPU assisted? Yes it is and that's a great thing imo. Why? Because the stats actually matter in pes...whereas in FIFA you can have ASTON VILLA and you can have BARCELONA but if you ( the player, with all the freedom to pass ) decides how strong a pass is and where it goes...than what need is their to have different teams since if you become very good at the game you will be passing like barcelona with any team....

So you talk all this shit about how bad PES is and how FIFA is so amazing but youpoint out how FIFA has no longevity...if thats the case, why arent you on a fifa forum bashing FIFA for being such a shallow experience....dont give me all that BS about FIFAs new Manager Mode because the gameplay will get boring and predictable in a month....

the only reason FIFA is played is because the online works....

I have both games ( FIFA 09 and PES2009 ) and while neither game is close to representing the look of the real game, PES is still more fun with friends.

OPINION ( learn this word )

p.s. The sliders in FIFA are SHIT....they dont do nothing. They are just there to simply give you an impression of some sort of tactical play.

Amen.

 

[shaun7]

Amateur what you said is really true. Ffa is better in some aspects but pes is better in some others. They're different games in the end.
Also konami really nned to make their new card system work because it would bring team/ player differences. Would be a great battle with fifa's 360 movement. But if pes manage to make the animations seems as great, then 8 directions won't be that much of a problem since the animations make it seem like there were more directions. Still no match for a 360 movement but let's wait and see how both will turn out.

 

[shankly is god]

yes....very true all of you ^^